ReFi Generation

Cash Upton

ReFi Generation explores the new frontier of regenerative finance and the community mindset that gives local actions a global reach. We talk to experts and leaders in the field while examining how the ingenuity of ReFi can help bring environmental and humanitarian efforts into the next generation. 

  1. Ep. 24 The Current: Local Currency with Chris Hewitt

    7월 26일

    Ep. 24 The Current: Local Currency with Chris Hewitt

    Greetings and welcome back to ReFi Generation! Thank you listeners for your patience, after I got married last year, I took a break for a bit. Have no fear, we are back at it and will be releasing episodes regularly again! Today we talk local currency with Chris Hewitt, founder of Hudson Valley Current. We discuss the nuanced topic of money, and why local currencies matter. If you live in the United States, or a country with a fairly stable monetary policy, it may not matter much to you. However, there are a lot of folks who do not have access to a stable form of money. Many see inflation destroying their savings, as well as monetary policies affecting their lives in which they have no control over. Our hope is that today’s episode will give you some context for the important reasons for having a localized, community focussed money. It is important to note, local currencies do not have to replace the standard currency, they can be complimentary.  Our guest Chris has a background in publishing - starting in 1996 he ran “Express Magazine: Social networking for global change,” and shipped to over 22 states and 5 Canadian provinces. Chris started the local currency, “The Current” because of his need to account for his barter agreements with local businesses advertising in “Express Magazine.” He shares how The Current developed over the years, it’s successes, as well as the hurdles he faced in the adoption of The Current. Chris and I have a fun philosophical conversation around “What is money.” Chris brings a lot of insight into how to launch local currencies, specifically how to educate and open a dialogue about what is money. “It’s just money” is their slogan.  Our listeners should note, to be considered “money,” there are 3 widely agreed upon criteria it should have. First is a medium of exchange, second is a store of Value, and the third is that it is a unit of account. The Current meets all three of these criteria. Chris had a great insight and he stopped trying to teach people about money, and instead Chris builds mechanisms where people can learn by doing. Now, when people ask what is the Current, he does not try to explain what money is, he instead describes the features of the local currency. #1. The hyper-local aspect of the Current allows people to trust each other. #2 It shifts the narrative around money. #3 It is innovative. #4 it saves people money.  Chris is a big advocate for regenerative economies, specifically cradle to grave and circular economy principles. Their non-profit, Tilda’s kitchen,is also a market, so they can have direct control over localized supply chains. Chris tells us about his experience leading a workshop in Belgium at the Collaborative Finance conference. He shares with us how they covered hybridized local currency models, the commons, and ways to explain local currency. I love the work that Chris is doing in the Hudson River Valley, he was a real joy to talk with. I hope you enjoy. Episode Links Hudson Valley CurrentHudson Valley Current InstagramHudson Valley Current TwitterTilda's KitchenMidtown Lively

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  2. Ep. 23 RECs & Blockchain Tech with Nathalie Capati of Jasmine Energy

    2024. 12. 23.

    Ep. 23 RECs & Blockchain Tech with Nathalie Capati of Jasmine Energy

    Today we get REC’d, and explore the innovative way Jasmine Energy is pairing the renewable energy credit market, aka RECs, with blockchain technology. Nathalie brings a wealth of knowledge around the renewable energy space and is an excellent bridge between the traditional and the cutting edge. With her electrical engineer degree she has a broad set of skills, from working in energy compliance markets, installing solar & storage for Bitcoin mining operations, to building electric race car engines for Formula 1. Nathalie’s systems engineering mindset enables her to take complex systems and synthesize them down to understandable concepts. She walks us through the nuanced ecosystem of renewable energy credits and how they represent the clean energy attributes of renewable electricity, as opposed to the physical energy itself. These energy attributes are important because they help us to know how clean grid energy actually is and holds us accountable to sustainability goals. Jasmine Energy is a REC tracking app and marketplace for bridging renewable energy credits into non fungible tokens on a blockchain. Why blockchain you may ask? The short answer is allowing for liquidity and accountability. RECs are often a secondary revenue stream for solar developers and financiers, and are important for helping renewable energy generators hedge against the fluctuating prices of spot market electricity.  In addition, the traditional over the counter REC market is mostly all voice brokered, often using excel spreadsheets for tracking. REC brokers take a 10-20% fee, which takes away from the profit of renewable energy generators. By putting RECs onto a blockchain, it can more easily be validated when beneficiary claims are retired, reduce the aforementioned broker fees with less friction across a multitude of currencies, and protect against double counting and fraudulent credits.  In this era of environmental catastrophe, we cannot rely on humans using excel spreadsheets to solve the climate crisis. By using Jasmine Energy, we can ensure energy usage is verifiably green. I hope you enjoy. Show links: Jasmine Energy Website Jasmine Energy App Nathalie's Twitter RE+ US Green Building Council - California

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  3. Ep. 22 Transforming the Carbon Market with Jeremy Epstein of Open Forest Protocol

    2024. 08. 06.

    Ep. 22 Transforming the Carbon Market with Jeremy Epstein of Open Forest Protocol

    Today we go into the forest with Jeremy Epstein, head of growth for Open Forrest Protocol. To put it simply, Open Forrest Protocol is a registry and issuer of carbon credits. Jeremy has a background as a lawyer and gives an inspiring take on how blockchain technology is applicable for solving the climate crisis, biodiversity crisis, really any sort of any of the ecological crises we face. Jeremy reminds us, “You can’t manage what you can’t measure,” and since we live in a capitalist economy, market based solutions will have the most potential for success. Jeremy wrote his graduate thesis on the European Union’s emission trading scheme and is highly knowledgeable on the carbon markets. Jeremy gives a thorough explanation of why putting carbon credits on chain is a practical idea. One example is how low quality carbon offsets on the market will encourage other assets to be of better quality and also discourage bad actors to not fudge and lie about their offsets, since it will be public, drastically diminishing the rampant green washing we see today. We look at forward facing impact verifications that Open Forrest Protocol could be used for in the future. Essentially anything that requires MRV - Measure, Report, Verification. One example Jeremy discusses is how if there is a claim for regenerative beef, how is the producer proving that the beef production actually sequestered carbon and regenerated the land? Blockchain and MRV methodology is the tool to provide certainty that regeneration happened. Just like how proof of reserve is necessary for the gold standard, proof of regeneration is also necessary. Jeremy shares how fundamentally we need to enhance trust behind regenerative claims, so people can confidently move their capital into regenerative finance systems. Open Forest Protocol Website Open Forest Protocol "Atlas" Open Forest Protocol Twitter Jeremy's Twitter

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  4. Ep. 21 Carbon Markets & Blockchain with Marcus Aurelius from Klima DAO

    2024. 07. 22.

    Ep. 21 Carbon Markets & Blockchain with Marcus Aurelius from Klima DAO

    Welcome back from our summer break! Marcus Aurelius from Klima DAO joins us to discuss how blockchain technology can revolutionize the carbon offset market. Marcus has a background in data science and data engineering and is passionate about leveraging data to solve problems and make better decisions. Marcus sets the stage for us by sharing how nearly 2 trillion tons of CO2 have been emitted since the industrial revolution, yet the carbon markets to date have yielded only 2 billion CO2 credits, with only about half being retired. This is a huge mismatch, especially with an estimated 40 billions tons of CO2 being emitted yearly. Klima is an exciting protocol for bridging carbon offsets onto the blockchain. You might ask why this is necessary? By bridging carbon offsets on-chain, Klima brings an unprecedented level of transparency and auditability to the carbon offset market. Klima is mostly focussed on the demand side of the carbon market, but we also learn about some of the carbon projects that Klima is supporting on the supply side who are using dMRV, digital measure report verification. This drastically reduces the cost of verifying ecological data claims, thus further democratizing the ability for smaller scale regenerative actors to enter the market. Marcus is skeptical of the top-down approach, especially in the time frame needed to solve the environmental crisis. We discuss the key players in the carbon offset markets. From buyers to suppliers, Marcus shares nuanced insights on how this traditionally opaque carbon market is in dire need of improvement. In comes Regenerative Finance - bringing greater access to carbon markets with lower barriers to entry, allowing for greater liquidity, better on ramping rails for purchasing offsets, along with reducing green washing because the authenticity of impact claims can be verified and trusted. We learn how AMM’s (Automated market makers) or decentralized exchanges, are the key innovation in decentralized finance because they allow for the creation of an asset with complex underlying behavior, unlocking the ability to create liquid assets out of previously illiquid assets.  Klima  is looking to address the “Carbon tunnel vision problem” to move beyond just the carbon market and we learn of some of the exciting forward financing projects Klima is taking on. The beauty of ReFi is that some of these projects are cutting edge and would be traditionally hard to fund with the more conventional due diligence process of a philanthropy, but because KLIMA is a DAO, the public who holds the KLIMA token is able to vote and make decisions on where climate financing is invested. Klima Twitter Marcus' Twitter Klima's Carbon Dashboard Klima App Offset your emissions with Carbonmark

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  5. Ep. 20 Community Currencies for Economic Regeneration with Scott Morris

    2024. 06. 10.

    Ep. 20 Community Currencies for Economic Regeneration with Scott Morris

    In today’s episode we talk with Scott Morris, AKA the Token Jedi. Scott graduated from college with an interdisciplinary degree in political economics amidst the great financial crisis of 2008. What followed is a captivating story of Scott researching and implementing place-based initiatives, because as he puts it, “Place-based organizing in real communities, changing patterns, with real people, will create real outcomes and real value. Scott is a seasoned veteran when it comes to community currency and I particularly loved this conversation because it is both philosophical and nuanced. We dig deep into what is actually within our means to protect the “main street economy.” To Scott, ReFi can steer us away from a shearing economy towards a sharing economy by making use of new capabilities that allow us to re-localize and re-circulatize our economies. These new capabilities allow for greater monetary pluralism and economic diversity, allowing for back-up systems and safety nets.  We discuss why Bitcoin is important to the world, but also how Scott sees the commodity aspect of Bitcoin being a tool of wealth preservation, whereas the folks who do not necessarily benefit from this are those people living on less than a dollar per day. Scott poses the question of what are certain instruments and strategies to bring people up from the bottom and helps us imagine what benefits a community could reap by using local currencies.  We get an update on what the ReFi DAO is up to, and discuss the ReFi DAO local node incubator: Alert! There is a local ReFi chapter coming your way! Go get involved locally! Scott truly cares about making place-based systems for economic regeneration happen. I left this conversation inspired, I hope you enjoy it. The Token Jedi's Twitter ReFiDAO.com ReFi DAO Local Communities

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  6. Ep. 18 Sovereign Nature Initiative: Funding Conservation & Biodiversity

    2024. 05. 09.

    Ep. 18 Sovereign Nature Initiative: Funding Conservation & Biodiversity

    In today’s episode we talk with Alessandro Mazzi from Sovereign Nature Initiative. Ale was a joy to talk with and is a wealth of knowledge. He is getting his PHD researching the influence of law on the capacity of human and wildlife to coexist. Sovereign Nature Initiative works in biodiversity conservation and is sitting in the middle between philanthropic giving & conservation projects. Sovereign Nature Initiative helps to raise funds and do impact reporting. By looking at nature positive solutions, aka conservation and restoration of natural ecosystems, they are creating other ways to value nature rather than the traditional extractive model. Ale discusses the benefits of using blockchain as a transparent accounting mechanism, thus helping to prove an environmental claim actually happens, and reduces green washing because it ensures accountability. Ale provides a fantastic look on how dMRV (digital or decentralized measure report & verification) allows for significantly reducing MRV costs - further democratizing the access to MRV tools and monetization mechanisms for regenerative land practices. By working with locals and the stewards themselves, emerging dMRV technology can further reduce the barrier to entry and allow smaller scale projects to participate. I especially loved Ale’s perspective on biodiversity credits, and how certain species can “activate the carbon cycle” by providing important ecosystem services. We discuss an exciting European Union development for a treaty on biodiversity mandates for corporations. Ale shares an inspiring project surrounding bison restoration in Romania, where children are leading the monitoring efforts of biodiversity. These youth then educate farmers about the importance of biodiversity. I was left inspired and enthused after talking to Ale, I hope you enjoy this episode. Sovereign Nature Initiative Linktr.ee Sovereign Nature Initiative Twitter Sovereign Nature Initiative Website WWF European Bison Restoration

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ReFi Generation explores the new frontier of regenerative finance and the community mindset that gives local actions a global reach. We talk to experts and leaders in the field while examining how the ingenuity of ReFi can help bring environmental and humanitarian efforts into the next generation.