“HR Heretics” | How CPOs, CHROs, Founders, and Boards Build High Performing Companies HR Heretics

In this episode of HR Heretics, Nolan and Kelli sit down with Nathan Tanner, an executive coach, author of The Unconquerable Leader, and former HR leader at DoorDash, Neighbor, and LinkedIn. Nathan demystifies the black box of coaching as a career path for people leaders, getting into the nitty-gritty of setting up the business, getting clients, and the economics of coaching. They also discuss the fine line between the empathy required of an HR leader, an executive coach, and a therapist.
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Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/

TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:58) Nathan’s journey into coaching
(02:53) Impact and philosophy of coaching
(05:25) Navigating the coach, HR leader, and client relationship
(13:08) What makes a great coach?
(15:52) Sponsor: Attio
(16:49) Assessing client’s perspectives
(21:49) Lifecycle of a coaching relationship
(24:29) Balancing revenue and client success
(26:03) Strategies and challenges of building a client base
(30:38) Economics of coaching
(35:33) Maximizing your coaching business
(39:34) Essential tools for success
(42:20) Value of transparency and resilience
(44:13) Wrap


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Nolan Church breaks down what is happening over at OpenAI and what we know about three developing stories involving exec departures, equity, and transparency. Kelli is on vacation this week. He touches on:
* The departure of Ilya Sutskever, co-founder and chief scientist, along with Jan Lieke
* The journalistic investigation by Vox's Kelsey Piper, who broke the story of OpenAI's practice of requiring departing employees to sign life-long non-disclosure and non-disparagement agreements, threatening the loss of vested equity for breach
* The incident involving Scarlett Johansson being approached to voice OpenAI’s AI, without her consent, raising questions about ethical use of voice likeness in AI technologies
Nolan debriefs with lessons for HR leaders and company founders.
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:47) The Big Departures: OpenAI's Executive Shake-Up
(03:31) OpenAI's Controversial NDAs
(05:12) Sponsors: Attio
(08:21) The Scarlett Johansson Voice Saga
(10:04) The Future of OpenAI and HR Lessons
(10:50) Wrap



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In this episode, Nolan and Kelli have an honest and transparent discussion with CEO and founder of Remote Job van der Voort (also the former VP of Product at GitLab) on the nuances of running an international remote company. 
Job strongly emphasises how trying to replicate the office environment in a remote setting doesn’t work and how giving small teams extreme autonomy with focus on outcome-based-management far outweighs surveillance and micro management. 
Kelli, Nolan and Job chat about early career growth and development in remote settings vs learning by osmosis in the office and how the company committed to developing new methodologies to mentor and train up juniors.
Job also gives insights into the complexities of global hiring, geography-based compensation, and geographic mobility for remote workers and discusses the impact it has on contracts and mutual obligations.
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Nolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/
Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/

TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:53) Replicating Office Culture in Remote Settings
(06:45) Embracing Asynchronous Work and Team Autonomy
(09:48) Hiring and Training in a Remote-First World
(13:51) Innovative Remote Work Practices and Tools
(17:50) Addressing the Challenges of Remote Work 
(22:10) Remote's Approach to Documentation and Communication
(26:00) International Employment and Expansion
(26:54) Global Employment with Remote
(28:10) Global Compensation Strategies
(33:52) Equity and Performance in Global Teams
(39:40) Mobility and Compensation In Employee Relocation
(46:55) The Global Hiring Market and Future Trends
(51.24) Wrap




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In today's segment, Kelli welcomes back Janelle Lopez, discussing her recent career decision to take a second-in-command role at Coursera over the top Chief People Officer position elsewhere. She gives us an honest look into her decision-making, her networking efforts (75 meetings!), and how to assess a company for fit.
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Janelle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janelle-lopez-29997a4/
Nolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/
Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich

TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:27) Career Decision: Chief People Officer vs. Number Two Role
(01:27) Networking
(04:29) Evaluating Opportunities
(08:04) The Real Power of Networking
(12:01) Biggest Lessons From the Job Search
(13:23) Janelle's Future Aspirations
(14:20) Wrap


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In this episode, Nolan and Kelli chat humanity in leadership with Michelle Weaver, CFO at Twitch (now part of Amazon). Michelle Weaver has 25 years experience including Hired (with Kelli), StitchFix, Axiom, Gap, Inc. and EA.
Michelle emphasises the importance of a human-first leadership approach and that growth and learning can come from the projects you work on, not just promotions. 
The team all agree that building a strong relationship with the CFO builds a strong business foundation and knowing the business you’re in makes you a stronger leader. They also advocate for taking the wins from experiences with bad managers by being the outcome you want to see.
Michelle also offers advice on selecting the company you want to work for and understanding the 'why' behind business numbers. She also goes deep on staying grounded through the M&A process and gives her own spin on personal growth and burnout in high-stress environments. 
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Michelle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-weaver/
Nolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/
Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/
TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(01:45) The Human Side of Being a CFO
(04:10) Rethinking Team Management and Development
(06:20) Promotions and Organisational Changes
(08:03) Sponsor Ad: Attio CRM
(08:59) The Power of CFO and CPO Collaboration
(12.18) Structural Alignments Within The Company
(15.46) The CPO interviewing the CFO 
(17:16) Choosing the Right Company
(21:10) The Expansion of Gaming
(24:06) M&A Trends and Staying Grounded
(27:37) The Role of a CFO in Navigating M&A Challenges
(30:31) Deep Dive into the M&A Process
(32:45) Red Flags and Deal Breakers in M&A
(37:15) Addressing Burnout and Understanding What Your Passion Is
(42:59) How to Discover Your Passion
(48:00) Wrap






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In today’s segment, Kelli and Nolan discuss the recent FTC ruling to ban non-compete agreements nationwide in the US, the broader implications of the ruling for employers and employees, and the future of AI and tech post-ban.
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Nolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/
Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich

TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) FTC Bans Non-Competes Nationwide
(00:53) Personal Takes on the Non-Compete Ban
(01:13) The Surprising Impact of Non-Competes Across Industries
(02:49) Freedom and Innovation
(05:09) Balancing Trade Secrets and Employee Freedom
(07:33) The Future of Tech and AI Post-Ban
(10:41) Embracing Side Hustles and Innovation
(11:56) Wrap



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