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Wasn’t it just a couple years ago you were sitting on the beach at spring break in Ft. Lauderdale – listening to the Pet Shop Boys, U2, and Def Leppard - with your entire life ahead of you? Now you’re looking back 30 plus years and wondering what the hell happened.

Not that it’s been all bad. Of course, there’ve been highs and lows. And today, everything’s fine. It’s just fine. That’s the problem. You don’t really feel like you have anything to complain about. Lots of people might envy what you have. But you’re feeling a deep undercurrent of suck. Like, there must be something more. And you don’t know what to do about it.

Welcome to Fine is a 4-Letter Word, with host Lori Saitz. Each week, you'll hear inspiring stories of self-discovery and courage from people who have said F*ck Being Fine and have transformed their lives and businesses. Plus, get practical tips and takeaways to move you from spinning in place - to forward action - so you can create a life of joy.

None of us knows how much time we have here. So we have to make the most of it. We have to do the things that light us up and bring us joy.

This show will give you hope, help you find your passion and purpose, and dare you to see the life that’s waiting for you. You’ll never hear - or say - the word “fine” in the same way again.

FINE is a 4-Letter Word Lori Saitz

    • Health & Fitness
    • 5.0 • 22 Ratings

Wasn’t it just a couple years ago you were sitting on the beach at spring break in Ft. Lauderdale – listening to the Pet Shop Boys, U2, and Def Leppard - with your entire life ahead of you? Now you’re looking back 30 plus years and wondering what the hell happened.

Not that it’s been all bad. Of course, there’ve been highs and lows. And today, everything’s fine. It’s just fine. That’s the problem. You don’t really feel like you have anything to complain about. Lots of people might envy what you have. But you’re feeling a deep undercurrent of suck. Like, there must be something more. And you don’t know what to do about it.

Welcome to Fine is a 4-Letter Word, with host Lori Saitz. Each week, you'll hear inspiring stories of self-discovery and courage from people who have said F*ck Being Fine and have transformed their lives and businesses. Plus, get practical tips and takeaways to move you from spinning in place - to forward action - so you can create a life of joy.

None of us knows how much time we have here. So we have to make the most of it. We have to do the things that light us up and bring us joy.

This show will give you hope, help you find your passion and purpose, and dare you to see the life that’s waiting for you. You’ll never hear - or say - the word “fine” in the same way again.

    Rage Against the Midlife with Kimberly (Kimby) Samson

    Rage Against the Midlife with Kimberly (Kimby) Samson

    Have you ever seen those memes that compare the co-stars of “The Firm”, Wilford Brimley looking elderly at age 56 and Tom Cruise looking young at age 56?
    These memes show us that these days, people are aging much more gracefully, or at least not according to the same timetable they used to.
    Did the timetable ever make sense to begin with?
    Is there supposed to be a specific age where we begin to question whether Fine is a 4-Letter Word?
    Kimberly, or Kimby Samson grew up without a lot of specific values. It was more like learning through modeling rather by teaching. Her parents showed her an example and she was expected to follow – there wasn’t a lot of conversation.
    When it came time for her Bat Mitzvah, she was told she couldn’t have one, and she’d get a big wedding instead.
    Oh, and did she – Kimby got the most fabulous, amazing wedding – as she says, the wedding of her mother’s dreams!
    In this episode, I didn’t ask Kimby about that specific moment when she realized things weren’t “fine” – it was implied that since we were talking about the midlife crisis, especially as it pertains to women, hitting “midlife” is when we’re supposed to begin facing those questions.
    For Kimby, it was finding she had done well in her career, in her great marriage and with her three wonderful children, and also seeing that she was bored.
    Her journey was to find her mojo again. And then she wrote a guide to help you do the same. Her recently published book is appropriately called, F*CK THIS: Practical Advice To Get You Through Your Midlife Crisis.
    In a moment, when you meet Kimby, you’ll get a new point of view about this midlife time.
    You’re looking to push an easy button – “change your career”, “reconnect with your dreams” – and “take this pill”.
    What if it’s not an easy button but more a matter of taking one small step at a time? Maybe instead of big milestone celebrations, make every moment a small party?
    Allowing your curiosity to take you on a journey where one thing leads to the next and you discover things you’d never thought possible?
    Kimby’s hype song is "Milkshake" by Kelis.
    Resources:
    Kimberly Samson’s website: https://themidlife.co/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimberly-samson-460593227 Facebook: https://facebook.com/themidlife.co Instagram: https://facebook.com/themidlife.podcast X (formerly Twitter): https://x.com/kimbynotkim Get Kimby’s newly released book, F*CK THIS: Practical Advice to Get You Through Your Midlife Crisis at https://amzn.to/3UDdKDZ
    Invitation from Lori:
    If, like Kimby, everything in your life is good but you’re still bored, the 5 Easy Ways to Start Living The Sabbatical Life guide is for you.
    Once you read it, you’ll
    ✅ Discover a counter-intuitive approach to making intentional changes in mindset and lifestyle.
    ✅ Learn how to own your feelings and your struggles so you can address them.
    ✅ Find out how to face fears, step out of your comfort zone, and rewire your beliefs.
    It’s only 7 pages, so it won’t take you long to get through. The five tactics are simple, but you could find yourself seeing that what you’re...

    • 44 min
    Living the Beige Life with Sonia Graham

    Living the Beige Life with Sonia Graham

    When your life story is dominated by trauma resulting from one f****d-up thing after another, it plays a nasty trick on your definition of what’s “fine”.
    After surviving being killed almost three times before she was two years old, Sonia Graham was adopted into a strict Puerto Rican / Irish Catholic family. Her father was in the Air Force, so while she developed resilience to deal with ever-changing situations, she did NOT learn how to create lasting relationships because she knew whatever friends she made, she would not have for very long.
    Because of her extensive behavioral issues, her parents eventually put her into Boys Town. The bigger issue was that she had PTSD from her childhood traumas, and in the 80s, PTSD was misunderstood. As a result, Sonia was treated with psychiatric drugs rather than the proper treatment.
    So, as an adult, she hesitated to seek the therapy she needed, which prolonged her suffering.
    All this instilled one of Sonia’s core values – at the end of the day, the only person you really have is you, so you have to be true to you.
    After she got out of Boys Town, she graduated high school early, then had her first child at age 18. Six years later she was pregnant again. Then at age 27, she married, divorced, and remarried – all in one year.
    Sonia’s husbands, like her father, were in the military, so she went back to the pattern of moving around. After the family moved to Maryland, she became a Realtor. Then she got divorced again. She discovered her passion for teaching and found a unique niche helping Maryland Realtors learn the business side of real estate, beyond simply getting a license.
    All in all, everything seemed fine.
    Until her teenage son tried to murder her.
    Indeed, Fine is a 4-Letter Word.
    In a moment, when you meet Sonia, you’ll discover her quest for what she calls “living in beige”. When your life is dominated by trauma and violence, with occasional good things such as finding your niche in your career and excelling at it, you just don’t see the middle.
    Sonia's hype song is “The Greatest” by Sia.
    Resources:
    Sonia Graham’s websites: https://www.simplemovesgroup.com/ and https://soniagraham.jpar.com/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sonia-graham-7060b442/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SoniaMaria1980 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sold_with_sonia X (formerly Twitter): https://x.com/SoniaMGraham1
    The movie mentioned in the episode is called "Inside Out".
    Invitation from Lori:
    Like Sonia, it’s possible you’re not “fine” because trauma is the only thing you really understand – as a result, trauma itself becomes your “fine”.
    If you want to start changing the coding in your brain so you can see past the trauma and find the beige, the 5 Easy Ways to Start Living The Sabbatical Life guide is for you.
    Once you read it, you’ll
    ✅ Discover a counter-intuitive approach to making intentional changes in mindset and lifestyle.
    ✅ Learn how to own your...

    • 43 min
    The Joy Code with Marc Zalmanoff

    The Joy Code with Marc Zalmanoff

    Does it seem like everyone else is doing great while you’re struggling?
    And because it seems like you’re the only one who can’t manage and everyone else has their shit together, you’re either afraid or unwilling to talk about it?
    But what if you then got to have deep, meaningful conversations with other people and discovered they’re going through the same struggles as you?
    Marc Zalmanoff was raised largely by a single father who didn’t really explain much to him. His father taught him lessons by example – how to be a good human being, how to be an entrepreneur, and how to be decent toward women regardless of the circumstances.
    His other major influence was his joyful, warm grandmother who went through a lot of health struggles yet maintained her optimism and cheer until the end.
    Marc grew up, married, and had a child. He became a partner in a gym. Then he got divorced. Not long after, he had another child with another woman, but then they broke up.
    Then the gym ran out of money. Marc didn’t speak with his partner about any of what was happening, he just walked out in the middle of the night, inviting his own personal training clients to follow him to a new venue he rented.
    Somehow Marc managed to get through every situation, so it seemed fine.
    But Fine is a 4-Letter Word.
    Over and over again, he found himself going through major changes without talking about it. He had learned from his dad that this is just what men do. And he never noticed that others might be going through the same thing. Until one day, when he found out the other gym owners he shared a parking lot with were also struggling in business.
    In a moment, when you meet Marc, you’ll discover how his life significantly changed when he got himself around other good men and discovered the power of masterminding.
    Coupled with this, he realized how our culture teaches men to talk about surface-level stuff like sports, politics, and current events, but never to really open up to each other in the same way women find themselves able to do naturally.
    Through his new venture, The Joy Code, Marc is bringing men together to help them share their successes and struggles by creating a space where they feel comfortable. Where they can get around others who are leveling up and pouring into themselves to become better humans. Asking “how can I have a better relationship with myself?”
    Marc's hype songs are "Bodies" by Drowning Pool and "The Game" by Motorhead.
    Resources:
    Marc Zalmanoff’s websites: https://pillars.thejoycode.net/8-pillars-of-joy and https://www.marczfitness.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marczalmanoff/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/marc.zalmanoff Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marczalmanoff
    Invitation from Lori:
    Like Marc, it’s possible you’re not “fine” because you don’t feel comfortable admitting things in your life aren’t as fine as you’re convincing people they are.
    If you want to start changing the coding in your brain so you can – as Marc is known for saying – make good choices, the 5 Easy Ways to Start Living The Sabbatical Life guide is for...

    • 49 min
    Falling Behind Before Getting Ahead with Adam Hommey

    Falling Behind Before Getting Ahead with Adam Hommey

    What if it’s never been “fine”?
    What if it feels like every good thing comes with downfalls and you’re racing to keep up?
    Adam Hommey was raised with the values of pursuing academic excellence and being selfless to the point where it became a detriment. At the same time he was expected to achieve, he felt denied the opportunity to enjoy his success.
    It all started in his early childhood. He was almost three years old and had barely spoken a word. It turned out he was deaf. Fortunately, his hearing was restored through surgery and treatments, but he was still behind.
    His mother bought textbooks to get him caught up – a form of homeschooling. So he entered kindergarten able to read and write way beyond his grade level. In first grade, his teacher noticed his boredom and ordered a proficiency test – which revealed he functioned at the third-grade level.
    He was promoted in the middle of the year, from the first to second grade, with a big ceremony and everything.
    But the grade promotion put him WAY behind.
    Now, he was younger than his classmates, which meant he was the last in his cohort to experience milestones such as getting a driver’s license and becoming a legal adult. He didn’t get to enjoy a legal drink in a Penn State bar until the middle of his senior year!
    Plus, imagine how being branded the “smart kid” affected his social life.
    The pattern of falling behind by being ahead has affected Adam to this day, including his development and progress as an entrepreneur.
    Fine is a 4-Letter Word, and Adam has never been “fine”.
    In a moment, when you meet Adam, you’ll discover how every giant leap forward has set him back and put him in an endless race to catch up. He’s always felt like an outsider who doesn’t fit in.
    But Adam has discovered that being an outsider who doesn’t fit in allows him perspective others don’t see, simply because he has never had the benefit (or curse) of things being normal, or “fine” for him.
    Being differently attuned allowed him to receive important life lessons from the spirit of a dead dictator and, as an adult, to become good friends with one of his childhood heroes – two things not many people get to experience.
    Adam's hype song is "I’m Not Gonna Cry Anymore" by Benny Mardones.
    Resources:
    Adam Hommey’s website: https://www.TheReachSystem.com/Connect with Adam here: https://www.ScheduleWithAdam.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamhommey/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/adamhommey/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/allforareason15/
    Invitation from Lori:
    Like Adam, it’s possible you’re not “fine” because it feels like every surge up the mountain seems to lead directly to the edge of a cliff.
    If you can relate, the 5 Easy Ways to Start Living The Sabbatical Life guide is for you.
    Once you read it, you’ll
    ✅ Discover a counter-intuitive approach to making intentional changes in mindset and lifestyle.
    ✅ Learn how to overcome the fear of being left out.
    ✅ Find out how to face fears, step out of your comfort zone, and rewire your beliefs.
    It’s only 7 pages, so it won’t take you long to get through. The five tactics are simple, but once you follow even ONE of them, you’ll find...

    • 53 min
    Midlife Emergence with Jen Berlingo

    Midlife Emergence with Jen Berlingo

    Many of us go through life wondering if we’re really living our authentic lives.
    Are you doing what you really want to do?
    Are you being who you really want to be?
    Even if you’ve created a great life, been fortunate, and haven’t had what you consider an existential crisis, is something just not quite right?
    Jen Berlingo had what seemed to be a great childhood. As she would discover later, she thought she was happy because early on she embraced being a good girl, a people pleaser, and as a result got a lot of praise from her parents, relatives, and everyone else around her.
    There was something under the surface though. Growing up in the south in the 80s and 90s, she was exposed to homophobia, racism, a tight grip on monogamy, pseudo-Christianity, and other harmful sentiments coming from the same people whose love brought her happiness. This caused her to deny something she knew to be true.
    Jen went through what one might call a normal amount of teenage rebellion, became an adult, started a career, got married, and had a child. She had a happy life, and everything seemed fine.
    But Fine is a 4-Letter Word.
    As she approached middle age, she achieved a new level of consciousness about herself that led her to ask "Wait. What is my core self? Where's my authentic self?" She started peeling back the layers of familial, cultural, and social conditioning that had allowed – maybe even required – her to adapt to her environment.
    See, throughout all of this, Jen knew she was queer.
    While this proved not to be as devastating to her domestic situation as she anticipated, it did end her marriage. And although she continues to have a great friendship with her ex-husband, this acknowledgement did bring on a lot of changes.
    As part of these changes, Jen took a deep dive into what are known as introjects – the beliefs and values one unconsciously absorbs from the people they love and the society they’re raised in.
    Are your beliefs and values, especially the ones you’ve never questioned, actually a defense mechanism that has shielded you from the risk of being your authentic self?
    In a moment, when you meet Jen, you will learn a lot more about her journey and why she redefines the idea of a “midlife crisis” as Midlife Emergence. Is this the message you need to hear today?
    Jen's hype song is "Apeshit" by the Carters.
    Resources:
    Jen Berlingo’s website: https://jenberlingo.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenberlingo/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jenberlingotherapy/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jenberlingo/ X (formerly Twitter): https://x.com/jenberlingo/
    See Yvonne Marchese’s episode, “Flip The Script” at https://zenrabbit.com/podcast/flip-the-script-yvonne-marchese/
    Invitation from Lori:
    Like Jen, it’s possible you’re rationalizing your life by telling yourself no one gets everything they want but you can still feel fine with what you have.
    That shouldn’t stop you – and that’s why I created the 5 Easy Ways to Start Living The Sabbatical Life guide.
    Once you read it, you’ll
    ✅ Discover a...

    • 47 min
    Her Year of Exploration with Kathy Goughenour

    Her Year of Exploration with Kathy Goughenour

    Ever go through a part of your life thinking everything is fine, but then experience that moment when your whole world turns upside down?
    It could be a debilitating health issue.
    Or maybe finding out just when you achieved what you thought were your dreams, that it wasn’t what you really wanted after all. Or it comes with baggage that you didn't bargain for.
    But what if things never were “fine” to begin with?
    Kathy Goughenour was raised as the daughter of two Pentecostal preachers and seemed destined for a life with no dancing, no bowling, no movies, and never being allowed to wear anything but a dress. The only value instilled in her was "go to church" - which made her rebellious.
    Then her parents divorced. Her mother remarried. And she found out an awful fact: her mother never wanted her or her brother and had actually tried to abort them. Imagine your mom telling your stepfather throughout your life to keep you away from her. When her mother was on her deathbed, she told Kathy to never have children.
    So she didn't. She married and divorced twice before she was 30, then married a third time to a man who had already had a vasectomy.
    In the meantime, her career flourished. She started a business helping real estate agents market their businesses, and after the crash of 2008 pivoted to creating a company training VAs how to serve their clients and grow their practices. She’s ruled her empire wearing tiaras and PJs, because that’s how she rolls.
    Kathy avoided the trauma she expected might come from becoming a mother herself. She had what appeared to be a great marriage and aside from a few bumps, has always done well professionally. Everything seemed fine.
    But Fine is a 4-Letter Word.
    And Kathy is discovering that NOW.
    Let me repeat – Kathy is discovering that NOW.
    Rather than entirely reveal the plot of this episode, listen to hear Kathy share what’s going on in her world these days. We’re joining her at the beginning - yes, the beginning – of what she calls the "third act" of her life. Does she want to continue the same business? Does she want to spend the rest of her life with her husband? Where does she want to live?
    You rarely hear what happens in the messy middle, much less while it’s in progress, so this episode serves up a much different perspective!
    Kathy's hype song is "Shake It Off" by Taylor Swift.
    Resources:
    Kathy Goughenhour’s website: https://www.virtualexperttraining.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathygoughenour/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kathygoughenour/
    Invitation from Lori:
    Like Kathy, it’s possible you have lived what has seemed, up until now, to be a charmed life. But what if you’re nearly 70, or whatever milestone you have coming up, and it suddenly hits you that the next act of your screenplay is just beginning to unfold?
    But it’s scary, because even though you want to, you don’t know HOW to live differently than you’ve been living for all these years. I get that. It’s hard to break free from societal and family expectations. Which have become so ingrained in you that you think they’re your own beliefs, but your soul is telling you there’s something more.
    That’s why I created the 5 Easy Ways to Start Living The Sabbatical Life guide.
    Once you read it, you’ll
    ✅ Discover a counter-intuitive approach to making intentional changes in mindset and lifestyle.
    ✅ Learn how

    • 47 min

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This podcast rocks

Just listen to this podcast and it was phenomenal. I will literally change my morning and evening routine because of the information I received. Lori is a phenomenal host. If you’re looking to level up your life and take it to a whole new level this podcast is for you. You won’t be disappointed! ❤️❤️❤️

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I just heard season three episode seven with Mike Fister. It was an exceptional interview filled with fantastic takeaways! I can’t wait to hear more episodes.

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Rockstar podcast

Lori does an amazing job of bringing out these stories in a unique way. The combination of breaking out of what is “fine” and meditation is simply amazing. Highly recommend listening!

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