Justin is joined by Jim Kalbach - author, speaker, and leading voice in strategy and innovation - to demystify Jobs to Be Done (JTBD), a powerful framework that's still underutilized in the marketing world. Jim explains how JTBD moves beyond traditional product thinking by focusing on the core outcomes customers seek to achieve, whether in daily life or professional settings. He shares actionable ways JTBD can drive innovation, align cross-functional teams, and sharpen customer focus. Whether you're in marketing, product, or leadership, this conversation will help you rethink how your organization defines value - from the customer’s perspective. Guest Bio Jim Kalbach is a noted author, speaker, and instructor in innovation, design, and the future of work. He is currently Chief Evangelist at Mural, the leading online whiteboard. Jim is the author of several books: Designing Web Navigation (O’Reilly, 2007), Mapping Experiences, 2nd Ed. (O’Reilly, 2020), and The Jobs To Be Done Playbook (Rosenfeld, 2020). In 2023 he co-authored Collaborative Intelligence (Wiley, 2023) with Mariano Battan. Jim is also the Co-founder and Principal at the JTBD Toolkit, an online resource with learning, training, and content. Takeaways JTBD helps organizations uncover what customers really want to achieve - not just what products do.Success lies in separating your solution from the customer’s actual goal.Understanding unmet needs can create more resonant marketing and better product-market fit.JTBD can foster cross-functional alignment with a shared language across product, marketing, and sales.The core "job" customers want to complete remains timeless, even as technology changes.Chapters 00:00 Welcome and Introduction to Jim Kalbach 01:04 What is Jobs To Be Done? 02:07 The Drill vs. the Hole Analogy 03:45 Why Focusing on Jobs Unlocks Innovation 05:52 The Role of Time in B2B Buyer Behavior 08:00 Timeless Nature of Customer Jobs 09:51 Fixing the Agency Pitch Problem with JTBD 11:20 The Power of Diagnosing Unmet Needs 13:25 Creating Cross-Team Alignment Through Shared Language 16:04 Building JTBD as an Organizational Muscle 17:28 Jim’s Writing Process and Book Journey 21:18 Collaborating with Practitioners and the JTBD Toolkit 24:32 Why Teaching Sharpened Jim’s Expertise 26:00 Where to Learn More: JTBD Toolkit & LinkedIn 27:14 Closing Thoughts and Sign-off Follow Jim on LinkedIn here Follow Justin on LinkedIn here