In this episode, David and Thomas delve into the concept of Product-Led Growth (PLG). They discuss the differences between sales-led and product-led approaches, emphasizing the importance of user experience and collaboration across teams. The conversation highlights the benefits of PLG, particularly for startups, and the necessity of understanding customer needs and feedback to ensure product success. In this conversation, Thomas and David explore the intricacies of product-led growth (PLG) and the journey users take from being strangers to becoming champions of a product. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Product-Led Growth 02:55 Understanding Go-to-Market Strategies 10:05 The Role of User Experience in PLG 15:09 Benefits and Challenges of PLG 21:16 Collaboration Across Teams for Success 36:36 The Genesis of Open Source Products 37:58 Understanding Customer Acquisition Costs 38:55 The Product-Led Growth Framework 40:37 Transitioning from Strangers to Explorers 43:41 The Evaluation Stage: From Stranger to Explorer 46:51 Activation: The Moment of Value Realization 51:20 From Explorer to Beginner: The Activation Journey 53:11 The Importance of Documentation and Training 56:47 Onboarding Experiences and User Guidance 01:01:29 Driving Adoption and Cultivating Regular Users 01:06:41 The Role of Champions in Product Advocacy 01:08:00 The Role of Champions in Product Growth 01:10:11 Understanding the Flywheel Effect in SaaS 01:14:02 Brand Loyalty and User Experience 01:15:56 The Competitive Landscape of Cloud Services 01:19:02 Open Source vs. Proprietary Software Keywords: Product-Led Growth, Go-to-Market Strategy, User Experience, Sales, Marketing, SaaS, Customer Success, PLG Benefits, Collaboration, Startup, open source, product-led growth, customer acquisition, evaluation stage, activation, onboarding, user experience, documentation, champions, SaaS, Product Growth, SaaS, Champions, Flywheel Effect, Brand Loyalty, Cloud Services, Open Source, PLG, Software Licensing