"History 102" with WhatifAltHist's Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg Turpentine

In this episode of History 102, Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg explore the rise of Rome, from its origins as a small settlement in Central Italy to becoming a dominant force in the known world, drawing parallels between historical events and modern-day societal patterns. They discuss themes of decadence, social cohesion, and the cyclical nature of civilizations.
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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: WhatIfAlthist is Rudyard's original alt history show & features historical deep dives. Subscribe to the audio version here:
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5InvQGtqIpA3p4VhNrDIwi
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whatifalthist/id1737510373
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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(01:26) Rise of Rome
(02:02) The Influence of Greek Civilization on the Latins
(05:09) The Romans: From City-State to Empire
(16:41) Sponsors: Harmonic | Plumb
(36:13) The Punic Wars: Rome's Defining Battles
(48:35) Rome's Expansion East and the Fall of Carthage
(54:12) Reflections and Recommendations on Roman History
(56:25) Closing Thoughts and Next Episode Teaser
(56:09) Wrap
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Recommended Books:

Will Durant's Caesar and Christ: A History of Roman Civilization and of Christianity from Their Beginnings to A.D. 325 (Story of Civilization)


Greg Woolf's Rome: An Empire's Story


Numa Denis Fustel de Coulanges'  The Ancient City: A Study of the Religion, Laws, and Institutions of Greece and Rome


Tom Holland's Rubicon



Recommended Podcast:
Dan Carlin's Hardcore History 21-23 – Punic Nightmares Series

In this episode of History 102, hosts Erik Torenberg and Rudyard Lynch delve into the American Civil War, providing a comprehensive overview encompassing its causes, key battles, and the aftermath.
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RECOMMENDED PODCAST: WhatIfAlthist is Rudyard's original alt history show & features historical deep dives. Subscribe to the audio version here:
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5InvQGtqIpA3p4VhNrDIwi
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whatifalthist/id1737510373
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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.
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@eriktorenberg (Erik)
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RECOMMENDED BOOKS:
Roll, Jordan, Roll by Eugene D. Genovese
The Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:41) Exploring the Roots of the American Civil War
(01:24) Complex Causes Behind the Civil War
(02:02) Slavery in Sparking the Civil War
(04:12) The Industrial Revolution's Impact on the Civil War
(06:34) Reflections and the Debate on Civil War
Causes
(16:55) Beliefs of the North and South
(20:57) The South's Strategy and the Role of International Powers
(22:57) Sponsor
(23:00) The Turning Points of the Civil War
(29:14) The War Itself
(48:19) The Aftermath and Reconstruction Era
(55:26) Wrap

In this episode which was first aired on Whatifalthist’s podcast, Rudyard Lynch explores the hypothetical scenario of World War III, analyzing potential winners, front lines, and geopolitical alliances.
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RECOMMENDED PODCAST
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5InvQGtqIpA3p4VhNrDIwi
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whatifalthist/id1737510373
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatifAltHist
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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Welcome
(00:12) Exploring the What Ifs and Changing Perspectives of World War III
(01:50) Theoretical Alliances and Their Strengths
(03:19) Potential Flashpoints and Concerns
(04:35) The Unpredictability of Predicting the Future
(05:11) Imagining a Scenario: China's Invasion of Taiwan
(08:28) The Realities of Modern Warfare and Technology
(10:21) Reevaluating China's Military and Social Stability
(11:43) Sponsor: Turpentine
(16:43) The Complex Terrain of Potential Conflicts
(20:55) A New Type of War: Demographic and Economic Battles
(24:30) Concluding Thoughts and the Future of Warfare
(25:00) Wrap

Today, we're excited to announce that Turpentine will be releasing Rudyard Lynch's WhatifAltHist as a podcast feed! Click the link below to subscribe. The highlighted episode we're airing today was touched on in our most recent History 102 episode on China's Modern History. Rudyard lays out his the patterns that predict China's coming socio-economic crisis.
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RELATED CHANNELS:
Subscribe to What If Alt Hist podcast!
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5InvQGtqIpA3p4VhNrDIwi
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whatifalthist/id1737510373
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatifAltHist
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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.
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BOOKS CITED:

Asian Waters by Humphrey Hawksley

Asia's Cauldron by Robert Kaplan

Disunited Nations by Peter Zeihan

Why Nations Fail by James Robinson and Daron Acemoglu

The Origins of Political Order by Francis Fukuyama

The Next 100 Years by George Friedman

World Order by Henry Kissinger

The Best of Times and the Worst of Times by Michael Burleigh

Seeing Like a State by James C Scott

Destined for War by Graham Allison

Crashed by Adam Tooze

China's Asian Dream by Tom Miller

China by John Keay

Mao by Jung Chang

The Soul of China by Amaury de Riencourt

Oriental Ways of Thinking by Nakamura



TIMESTAMPS
(00:00) Intro
(00:43) Exploring China's Impending Social and Economic Crisis
(02:11) The Western Fascination with Authoritarian Regimes
(03:00) Understanding China's Internal Struggles and Media Misrepresentation
(05:15) The Demographic Challenges Facing China
(09:50) Economic Pressures and Real Estate Bubble in China
(14:51) The Shift Towards Maoism and Increased Oppression
(20:54) The Potential for Revolution and Civil Unrest
(30:18) Predicting the Collapse of Modern China
(31:42) Conclusion

Today, we're releasing a special episode from the Moment of Zen podcast where Rudyard was the featured guest along with hosts Erik Torenberg and Dan Romero. They discuss his analysis of potential future global events, such as an American civil war and a revolution in China, considering economic conditions, demographics, and societal behaviors.

This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.
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RELATED CHANNELS:
Subscribe to Moment of Zen: https://www.youtube.com/@MomentofZenPodcast
History 102: https://www.youtube.com/@History102-qg5oj
Subscribe to WhatifAltHist: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatifAltHist
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BOOKS CITED:
Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies by Jared Diamond
Who We Are and How We Got Here: Ancient DNA and the New Science of the Human Past by David Reich
The Coming Caesars by Amaury De Riencourt
The Eye of Shiva: Eastern Mysticism and Science by Amaury De Riencourt
Bulfinch's Mythology - All Three Volumes - The Age of Fable, The Age of Chivalry, and Legends of Charlemagne by Thomas Bulfinch
Dune by Frank Herbert
Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(01:29) Rudyard and Dan's Approach to History
(03:39) Alt History
(10:05) Modern Civilization and Historical Patterns
(17:40) Sponsor: Turpentine
(18:00) Possibility of a Civil War?
(39:27) Political Crisis and the Split of States
(41:27) Power of American National Guards
(43:23) Dependence of States on Federal Funding
(43:50) Economic Divide in America
(44:20) Struggles of Average Americans
(46:16) Insane Minorities in Civil Wars
(47:12) Power of Elites in Conflicts
(47:53) Potential for a Competent Trump-like Populist
(01:02:16) The Future of China and Its Potential Revolution
(01:14:45) Wrap

In today's episode, hosts Rudyard Lynch and Erik Torenberg delve into the rich and complex history of China in the last several hundred years -- a critical period if we consider China the greatest rival of the US. The discussion explores China's once stagnant technological and social progress, periods of humiliation by Western powers, China under Mao, and the subsequent rise to become a global superpower. Rudyard's comprehensive narrative also highlights the dramatic shifts in China's demographic, political, and economic landscapes, illuminating the factors that have shaped its current politics and societal challenges. Watch this episode accompanied by maps and illustrations on History 102's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@history102-qg5oj
History 102 is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: turpentine.co
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This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.
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RELATED PODCAST: If you dig History 102, we think you'll love Live Players with Samo Burja from Turpentine. Every week Samo and Erik dive into a key power player, institution, or company changing the course of history.
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5fbMTkHBnom1JIBWYNVBK1
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1718925188
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RECOMMENDED BOOKS:

China: A History by John Keay

The Soul of China by Amaury de Riencourt.

Mao: The Unknown Story by Jung Chang

Autumn in the Heavenly Kingdom: China, the West, and the Epic Story of the Taiping Civil War by Stephen R. Platt


LINKS:
WhatifAltHist on What if China Wasn't Communist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt5RY_DRbDU
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:20) Understanding China's Historical Context
(02:04) China's Isolation and Technological Stagnation
(07:56) China's Geopolitical Position During the Manchu Dynasty
(10:57) 300-year Period of Peace in China
(12:12) The Opium Wars: A Turning Point in Chinese History
(15:28) Be a Sponsor of a Turpentine Podcast
(16:17) The Opium Wars - continued
(21:40) The Taiping Rebellion: A Forgotten War
(31:55) The Boxer Rebellion and the Fall of the Chinese Monarchy
(33:18) Communism and Mao's China
(39:08) Deng Xiaoping's Reforms and China's Economic Boom
(41:56) Predicting China's Future: Growth and Potential Challenges
(46:36) Wrap and Further Reading Recommendations