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In this episode of HR Heretics, Nolan and Kelli sit down with Casey Woo, a former public market investor turned 7x high-growth executive (including WeWork). He is now the founder of Operations Guild and General Partner at FOG Ventures. Casey shares eye-opening experiences from his time at WeWork and describes working with Adam Neumann, and the dynamics of rapid business scaling. They also highlight the impact of AI on business operations, the rise of the business operator, and discuss what skill-based ‘‘specialist generalists” do.
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Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(01:14) Casey's journey and WeWork experience
(08:39) Lessons from WeWork
(14:19) Current Climate and Operators Guild
(19:48) Sponsor: WorkVivo |  Attio
(20:45) Current pace of AI development
(26:26) The Rise of the Operator
(35:03) Importance of generalists in business
(41:10) Building a Community: Lessons Learned
(44:42) Future of operators and founding businesses
(49:56) Wrap




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In this episode of HR Heretics, Nolan and Kelli discuss an article from Business Insider about the ongoing white-collar recession, particularly affecting those earning over $100,000 a year.
They discuss significant changes in the tech job market, including the influence of AI, global competition, and the shift from managerial roles to more individual contributor positions. The episode concludes with insights into personal fulfillment versus financial stability in career choices.
Vanguard data reveals a hiring freeze for six-figure earners, impacting tech and finance. Is this the start of a white-collar recession?
HR Heretics is a podcast from Turpentine.
Discover Workvivo, Zoom’s employee experience platform, designed to delight your hybrid workforce. With dynamic and intuitive features people actually like using, Workvivo fosters a sense of belonging and boosts retention and productivity. Join Ryanair, Dollar General, and Virgin — head to https://bit.ly/hrhereticsworkvivo to book a demo (tell them Kelli and Nolan sent you).
Attio is the next generation of CRM. It’s powerful, flexible, and easily configures to the unique way your startup runs, whatever your go-to-market motion. The next era deserves a better CRM. Join ElevenLabs, Replicate, Modal, and more at https://bit.ly/AttioHRHeretics
KEEP UP WITH NOLAN + KELLI ON LINKEDINNolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction to the White Collar Recession
00:30 The Dichotomy of Employment Data
00:48 Challenges for High Earners
01:56 The Big Stay and Trapped in Place Economy
02:34 Industry-Specific Impacts
05:21 Global Competition and AI's Role
06:23 The Future of Tech Employment
08:34 Personal Reflections and Career Changes
08:43 Sponsor: Workvivo | Attio
11:12: First-World Work Problems
13:02: Self-Reflection and Assessment
15:34: On Gratitude on Salaries and Roles
16:11 Wrap




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In this episode of HR Heretics, Nolan and Kelli sit down with Nathan Tanner, an executive coach, author of The Unconquerable Leader, and former HR leader at DoorDash, Neighbor, and LinkedIn. Nathan demystifies the black box of coaching as a career path for people leaders, getting into the nitty-gritty of setting up the business, getting clients, and the economics of coaching. They also discuss the fine line between the empathy required of an HR leader, an executive coach, and a therapist.
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Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/

TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:58) Nathan’s journey into coaching
(02:53) Impact and philosophy of coaching
(05:25) Navigating the coach, HR leader, and client relationship
(13:08) What makes a great coach?
(15:52) Sponsor: Attio
(16:49) Assessing client’s perspectives
(21:49) Lifecycle of a coaching relationship
(24:29) Balancing revenue and client success
(26:03) Strategies and challenges of building a client base
(30:38) Economics of coaching
(35:33) Maximizing your coaching business
(39:34) Essential tools for success
(42:20) Value of transparency and resilience
(44:13) Wrap


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Nolan Church breaks down what is happening over at OpenAI and what we know about three developing stories involving exec departures, equity, and transparency. Kelli is on vacation this week. He touches on:
* The departure of Ilya Sutskever, co-founder and chief scientist, along with Jan Lieke
* The journalistic investigation by Vox's Kelsey Piper, who broke the story of OpenAI's practice of requiring departing employees to sign life-long non-disclosure and non-disparagement agreements, threatening the loss of vested equity for breach
* The incident involving Scarlett Johansson being approached to voice OpenAI’s AI, without her consent, raising questions about ethical use of voice likeness in AI technologies
Nolan debriefs with lessons for HR leaders and company founders.
HR Heretics is a podcast from Turpentine.
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Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich

TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:47) The Big Departures: OpenAI's Executive Shake-Up
(03:31) OpenAI's Controversial NDAs
(05:12) Sponsors: Attio
(08:21) The Scarlett Johansson Voice Saga
(10:04) The Future of OpenAI and HR Lessons
(10:50) Wrap



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In this episode, Nolan and Kelli have an honest and transparent discussion with CEO and founder of Remote Job van der Voort (also the former VP of Product at GitLab) on the nuances of running an international remote company. 
Job strongly emphasises how trying to replicate the office environment in a remote setting doesn’t work and how giving small teams extreme autonomy with focus on outcome-based-management far outweighs surveillance and micro management. 
Kelli, Nolan and Job chat about early career growth and development in remote settings vs learning by osmosis in the office and how the company committed to developing new methodologies to mentor and train up juniors.
Job also gives insights into the complexities of global hiring, geography-based compensation, and geographic mobility for remote workers and discusses the impact it has on contracts and mutual obligations.
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Job: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jobvo/
Nolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/
Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/

TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:53) Replicating Office Culture in Remote Settings
(06:45) Embracing Asynchronous Work and Team Autonomy
(09:48) Hiring and Training in a Remote-First World
(13:51) Innovative Remote Work Practices and Tools
(17:50) Addressing the Challenges of Remote Work 
(22:10) Remote's Approach to Documentation and Communication
(26:00) International Employment and Expansion
(26:54) Global Employment with Remote
(28:10) Global Compensation Strategies
(33:52) Equity and Performance in Global Teams
(39:40) Mobility and Compensation In Employee Relocation
(46:55) The Global Hiring Market and Future Trends
(51.24) Wrap




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In today's segment, Kelli welcomes back Janelle Lopez, discussing her recent career decision to take a second-in-command role at Coursera over the top Chief People Officer position elsewhere. She gives us an honest look into her decision-making, her networking efforts (75 meetings!), and how to assess a company for fit.
HR Heretics is a podcast from Turpentine.
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Janelle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janelle-lopez-29997a4/
Nolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/
Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich

TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:27) Career Decision: Chief People Officer vs. Number Two Role
(01:27) Networking
(04:29) Evaluating Opportunities
(08:04) The Real Power of Networking
(12:01) Biggest Lessons From the Job Search
(13:23) Janelle's Future Aspirations
(14:20) Wrap


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