Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy Colossus

My guest today is Henry Schuck, the founder and CEO of ZoomInfo. I’ve gotten to know Henry over the past year by virtue of him being on the board of Tegus, where I’m a board observer. I meet a lot of people and Henry is one of my favorites. His energy is unmatched and he knows his business down to the tiniest details. He has tenacity and curiosity in spades.
ZoomInfo is a go-to-market software and data solution for B2B sales. Henry founded the business as DiscoverOrg in 2007 and bootstrapped it for the first 7 years of its life. Today, it’s an $8.5 billion public company with a database of over 140 million business contacts. We delve into the science of great sales, Henry shares some awesome stories, and we talk about his business philosophy more broadly. Please enjoy my great conversation with Henry Schuck.

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Show Notes
(00:03:19) - (First question) - The story of Henry’s famous email about building a championship team
(00:07:01) - Dealing with pressure in business
(00:09:14) - Applying pressure from the top down as a CEO
(00:10:28) - How ZoomInfo’s C-suite was constructed and how it operates
(00:13:17) - A high-level picture of their product philosophy
(00:19:29) - Rating the effectiveness of the average B2B go-to-market engine
(00:21:25) - An anecdote about meeting with the head of commercial banking at one of world’s largest banks
(00:23:06) - What separates the good from the great B2B go-to-market strategies
(00:27:30) - Specific questions for screening potential salespeople; characteristics to look for
(00:31:39) - The story of bootstrapping his startup
(00:36:05) - His view on the process of pricing
(00:40:54) - The importance of M&A in building the business
(00:47:01) - The story of how ZoomInfo was acquired
(00:50:06) - The ever-shifting goal posts of mergers and acquisitions
(00:53:15) - Anecdotes of hustling in the early days
(00:59:34) - Another story from the early days of selling
(01:03:40) - Using information to influence a potential lead into a sale
(01:04:57) - How companies can prepare for the advent of generative AI
(01:12:10) - The stages of what it means to be a CEO
(01:13:15) - Learning how to execute M&A
(01:16:43) - What it means for a company to work in unison at scale
(01:18:26) - His advice on M&A, company core values, and corporate communication
(01:26:57) - Tips for going public with a company
(01:28:33) - Lessons learned from leading a public company
(01:34:47) - The kindest thing anyone has ever done for him
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Today’s conversation was recorded during last week’s Sohn Conference. I sat down with Karen Karniol-Tambour, Co-CIO at Bridgewater Associates. I hosted Karen on this show two years ago and if you listened to that, you’ll remember she has a rare skill for distilling and analysing complex macro topics. Today’s environment is strikingly different to the summer of 2021 so this is a timely conversation on the big macro variables that are on investors’ minds today. Please enjoy my conversation with Karen Karniol-Tambour.

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Show Notes
(00:03:05) - (First question) - Her take on AI and watching this new technology unfold
(00:06:39) - Things she’s watching in the AI space that might lead to taking portfolio action 
(00:09:19) - Potentially using AI to inform or make investment decisions 
(00:10:17) - Why might it be the case that no one can use AI for investing in macro markets
(00:11:14) - What she’d write about regarding the general state of capital markets today
(00:13:46) - What pricing is telling us about market sentiment writ large
(00:15:47) - Thinking about portfolio positioning in light of the unattractive state of risk assets
(00:17:17) - Her perspectives on gold historically and today 
(00:20:09) - Big long-term slow-moving macro variables that aren’t quite visible yet 
(00:22:09) - The all-weather portfolio and building one in light of so much uncertainty 
(00:24:38) - The rise of China, its growing power, and potential conflicts with the US 
(00:28:01) - Monitoring for things like the banking crisis beneath the public narrative 
(00:31:13) - Non-obvious variables that currently have her attention 
(00:33:29) - “Overrated or underrated” rapid-fire questions
(00:36:04) - What it’s been like being the CIO of Bridgewater so far 
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My guest this week is Fidji Simo, the CEO of Instacart. Fidji grew up in a small town in the South of France and was the first person in her family to graduate from high school. Since then, she has had a dazzling career with stops at France’s leading university, eBay, and Facebook. Fidji spent the better part of a decade at Facebook where she led the Facebook App before joining the online grocery platform, Instacart, in mid 2021. We talk about Fidji’s consumer product experiences, Instacart’s role within the grocery ecosystem, and delve into her personal philosophy on leadership. Please enjoy this wide-ranging discussion with Fidji Simo.

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Show Notes
(00:03:51) - (First question) - Comparing her experiences with Facebook and Instacart
(00:06:22) - The dimensionality of creating great consumer products online
(00:07:50) - How Instacart uses AI now and her advice to other companies who are ready to incorporate AI into their business
(00:15:41) - What being a pragmatic technologist means to her
(00:18:02) - Influences in younger years that led to her career path in technology
(00:21:00) - The landscape Instacart seeks to build and how major key players within the industry are involved
(00:27:09) - Data algorithms and their role in helping consumers
(00:29:24) - Scale around the original core business
(00:32:12) - The functional difference between Instacart shoppers and delivery drivers 
(00:34:59) - Issues with fully automated grocery store facilities
(00:37:32) - Insight into working with brands and consumer brand loyalty 
(00:43:16) - Her vision for the future of Instacart
(00:49:34) - Her principles for capital allocation
(00:52:34) - Common misperceptions about Instacart from prospective investors
(00:54:21) - Her philosophy of seeing the magic in team members
(00:56:46) - Expanding knowledge while managing a complex business environment  
(01:01:01) - When she felt the most helpless in her career
(01:03:46) - Insight into generative AI and how it could shape the online grocery experience
(01:08:00) - The role of content and its importance for businesses like Instacart
(01:12:35) - The kindest thing anyone has ever done for her
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My guests this week are Jeremy Levine, Kent Bennett, and Brian Feinstein. They are partners at one of the oldest and most storied venture firms in the world, Bessemer Venture Partners. Our conversation is split into two parts. First, we explore Bessemer itself. It’s over 100 years old and has a unique operating model with lessons for every investment firm in the market. We then discuss Jeremy, Kent, and Brian’s investing styles and outlook. What they look for in businesses, their thoughts on various sectors like vertical market software, and we close with a discussion about AI and defensibility. Please enjoy this great conversation. 

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Show Notes
(00:03:14) - (First question) - The unique history of Bessemer and how the firm stays current
(00:08:55) - The role of heritage and cooperative partnership in Bessemer’s model
(00:14:36) - How giving each partner autonomy and commissions can lead to better personal and company outcomes
(00:17:18) - The extent of freedom a partner has in terms of the style of investments made
(00:20:38) - Retro-analyzing the effectiveness of their investment roadmaps and core insights
(00:25:10) - What conflict typically looks like in partners’ conversations and how they resolve it
(00:27:06) - How they enable their junior staff using apprenticeship and open dialogue
(00:31:31) - Their different taste in investment targets 
(00:35:11) - How they each evaluate companies based on their unique interests
(00:42:32) - Their thoughts on valuations and how they have dealt with with run-ups in the tech market
(00:45:46) - What they anticipate in the future of early-stage investing
(00:49:43) - The significance of Centaur companies that have hit $100-million in revenue
(00:52:38) - The success of Bessemer’s writing and online content
(00:55:13) - Where the vertical market software industry is in its life cycle
(00:59:12) - How the next wave of innovation may revolutionize software or even depart from it
(01:02:33) - Advice they give to companies looking to prepare for future shifts in tech and AI
(01:04:46) - What excites them and what scares them within the development of LLMs
(01:08:18) - Defensibility of an LLM-based company, given the high level of competition 
(01:10:39) - How their firm deals with terminating partners if and when they aren’t a good fit
(01:14:53) - The kindest thing anyone has ever done for ea

My guest this week is Alexis Rivas. Alexis is the co-founder and CEO of Cover, which is pioneering a new way of building homes. It’s no surprise to anyone that aspects of our housing market is broken. The market is undersupplied and littered with regulatory issues. The homebuilding process has also not changed for the better part of a century. Alexis is attacking the problem and has taken a leaf out of the car industry’s learnings to create a similar production process for home building. In our discussion, we talk about his idea of lego pieces for homes, how they’re refining production with backyard homes first, and how this may change the way people buy and sell homes in future. Please enjoy my conversation with Alexis Rivas.

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Show Notes
(00:03:39) - (First question) - Supply and demand situation writ large for housing in the United States
(00:06:34) - Lack of workforce growth to meet housing development needs
(00:10:23) - Insight into “lego piece” style construction
(00:11:41) - The comparison to automotive manufacturing
(00:16:15) - Strategic description of a good “lego piece” from Cover
(00:20:08) - Utility continuity comparison between panels versus tradition construction
(00:21:05) - Potential criticism from skeptical contractors
(00:22:53) - The marginal cost for a typical home buyer
(00:25:59) - The role of software in the business
(00:28:47) - Insight into support model and “The Last Mile” theory in construction and possible solutions to combat errors during assembly
(00:30:46) - Support system integration for inevitable repairs
(00:32:17) - The changing reality of initial ideas as projects are completed
(00:34:27) - Building factories and streamlining production logistics
(00:37:28) - Focusing on constraints and an example relatable to real life scenarios
(00:38:37) - The value of moving slow to perfect processes early on versus an all in head first approach
(00:40:09) - The scope of ambition over the next several decades
(00:41:18) - The evolution of homes and how they could change based of consumer wants
(00:43:37) - Vertical capabilities of cover panels
(00:43:21) - Types of panels that could be introduced moving forward
(00:45:14) - Timeline for Cover expansion into new states
(00:46:06) - Advice for upcoming entrepreneurs when building similar business models
(00:47:58) - The kindest thing that anyone has ever done for Alexis
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My guest this week is Dr. Peter Attia. I’ve had Peter on the show twice before but it’s been over 5 years since his last appearance. In that period, his work has exploded and today he’s one of the clear leaders on the topic and practice of longevity and health span. He has a new book out called Outlive, which I heartily recommend. You’ll hear us refer to the last chapter of his book early in our conversation but we chose not to reveal the whole story live so you can read and enjoy it. We highlight the big picture in our conversation, including the transition from Medicine 2.0 to Medicine 3.0. I always leave these conversations with Peter full of ideas, and in this case, highly motivated to go outside and move my body in nature. I can think of no better actionable advice. Please enjoy my conversation with Peter Attia.

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Invest Like the Best is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Invest Like the Best, visit joincolossus.com/episodes. 

Past guests include Tobi Lutke, Kevin Systrom, Mike Krieger, John Collison, Kat Cole, Marc Andreessen, Matthew Ball, Bill Gurley, Anu Hariharan, Ben Thompson, and many more.

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Show Notes
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(00:04:15) - (First question) - How Patrick influenced Peter’s decision to launch his podcast
(00:05:45) - How Peter has changed in the process of writing this book
(00:08:11) - Process of writing the last chapter of this book
(00:11:12) - How he stopped dealing with imposter syndrome
(00:15:58) - Slow vs. fast death and medicine 2.0 vs. medicine 3.0
(00:22:55) - Doing more early detection screening to avoid slow death
(00:27:00) - Impacts of compounding risks
(00:31:24) - How do we shift thinking to better lifestyle changes vs. pill popping
(00:35:32) - The outsized impact of exercise on health
(00:46:18) - Peter’s exercise portfolio (The Comfort Crisis book) 
(00:50:55) - Why habitual workouts create euphoria for exercise
(00:54:45) - How Peter’s views on nutrition have evolved 
(00:59:30) - Measuring metabolic health
(01:01:55) - Where Peter hopes the future of healthcare is heading
(01:05:40) - Benefits of mindfulness to health
(01:12:55) - Defining your purpose in life
(01:16:46) - An index card summation of this book
(01:19:45) - Lessons learned being a better interviewer
(01:21:46) - Frontier of Peter’s curiosity
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