In this episode David welcomes back award-winning journalist and author, Steven Petrow, to discuss his latest book, "The Joy You Make."

Building on their previous conversation about aging and loss, David and Steven explore the concept of joy and its vital role in our lives, particularly during these challenging times.

They discuss the differences between happiness and joy, the transformative power of gratitude, and the importance of self-reflection.

Whether you're seeking to find joy in everyday moments or learn how to navigate through life's difficulties, this episode offers valuable insights and inspiration for listeners of all ages.

For David's book, other resources and more visit www.davidedey.com