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Legal human

A podcast exploring the enduring and evolving role of human lawyers in the rapidly changing legal ecosystem. There is a lot of talk about the potential impact of generative AI on the role of lawyers. In this podcast we ask some amazing human lawyers to consider the changing role of lawyers in a technology-enabled future and how we can work together to create a future where human lawyers can thrive. We explore: • The strengths of human lawyers that will become even more important in our technology-enabled future. • The changing nature and importance of human expertise • The increasing importance of the relational aspects of practice • Developing our ability to operate in genuine complexity and influence complex human systems

Épisodes

  1. Professor Pip Nicholson on how we equip future generations of lawyers for the evolution of legal practice

    -4 J

    Professor Pip Nicholson on how we equip future generations of lawyers for the evolution of legal practice

    Professor Pip Nicholson is the Deputy Vice Chancellor for People and Community at the University of Melbourne, and the former Dean of Melbourne Law School. In this conversation with Anthony Kearns, she discusses how she sees her role and identity in relation to the legal profession. She reflects on being a client of lawyers, the future role of technology-enabled lawyers, and the role of law schools in preparing future-ready graduates. Pip also discusses the three capabilities integral to the development of law students in today's legal practice.

    39 min
  2. Olivia Perks on in-house lawyers as change leaders in organisations

    21 JANV.

    Olivia Perks on in-house lawyers as change leaders in organisations

    Olivia Perks is General Counsel of the University of Sydney. Under her leadership, the University's Office of General Counsel (OGC) was named In-house Legal Team of the Year by the Association of Corporate Counsel in 2024. While the team is making strides in technology enablement, legal design and contract automation, Olivia considers its primary differentiation to be its culture and human capability. In this episode of Legal human, Olivia shares some of her team's recent work as well as its further plans to embed OGC as strategic leaders in the University. She also discusses the mindsets and attitudes required to be a successful in-house lawyer in the exquisite complexity of tertiary education.

    43 min
  3. Justin Moses on law as a compassionate practice

    16/12/2024

    Justin Moses on law as a compassionate practice

    Justin Moses started his legal career as an in-house lawyer at a major bank in 1987 and worked there for more than 30 years. Since leaving the banking world in 2017 Justin has worked as a General Counsel in the for-purpose sector, first with the Australian Indigenous Mentoring Experience (AIME) and more recently with Cancer Council NSW. In this episode of Legal human, he speaks to Anthony Kearns about the importance of compassion in the delivery of legal services and how compassion is key to the enduring value of human lawyers. Justin also discusses the fundamental role of curiosity in legal practice, why humility is a superpower, and why he's very optimistic about the future contribution of human lawyers to the legal ecosystem.

    45 min
  4. Richard Oakes on law as an energetic and intensely human practice

    03/12/2024

    Richard Oakes on law as an energetic and intensely human practice

    Anthony Kearns is joined by the always thoughtful and creative Richard Oakes, Co-Founder and CEO of O10. Richard has been helping lawyers and law firms deepen client relationships for more than 20 years. Along the way, he has helped thousands of human lawyers have more fulfilling careers and lives. In this episode, Richard shares his reflections on helping incredibly intelligent and cognitive professionals appreciate that legal practice is an energetic and intensely human experience. He also shares the key areas of focus required to not only consistently deliver exceptional client experiences, but be the best version of yourself.

    35 min
  5. Fleur Katsmartin on the power of authenticity and humility for in-house lawyers

    19/11/2024

    Fleur Katsmartin on the power of authenticity and humility for in-house lawyers

    In this episode of Legal Human, Fleur Katsmartin, Chief Legal Officer and Corporate Secretary of the Royal Melbourne Hospital, reflects on her journey to becoming an authentic lawyer. Fleur discusses the challenges of starting her career in a large law firm, where she felt pressure to conform to a traditional idea of what a lawyer "should" be. Recognising that this approach was unsustainable, she embraced her individuality, emphasising that legal services are fundamentally human services, best delivered authentically. Fleur also explores the transition from law-firm practice to excelling as an in-house lawyer. She highlights the importance of curiosity, humility and empathy, as well as the significant mindset shift required to embrace having “skin in the game.” This includes becoming comfortable with errors and measuring success by how quickly and effectively they are addressed. While acknowledging the demands of in-house practice, Fleur explains how it offers unique opportunities for personal and professional growth. Her insights provide valuable guidance for those seeking to thrive in this rewarding but challenging environment. Listen now to discover Fleur’s candid reflections on authenticity, adaptability, and the art of being a human lawyer.

    30 min
  6. Richard Holbeach on why it's always about the people, never about the expertise

    03/11/2024

    Richard Holbeach on why it's always about the people, never about the expertise

    Richard Holbeach, General Counsel and Company Secretary of Healthscope, talks about the complexity, challenges and privilege of leading a small team of human lawyers in the largest network of private hospitals in Australia. He shares some of the most important things he has learnt about in-house practice and the capabilities, mindsets and orientations he looks for in the lawyers who work with him. He also shares a great story about how being right is irrelevant if nobody understands what you've said. Finally, Richard reflects on what he has learnt about professionalism and relational practice from the extraordinary healthcare professionals he works with every day.

    46 min
  7. Kirsty Harvison, former GC, on law as an emotional, embodied and relational practice

    21/10/2024

    Kirsty Harvison, former GC, on law as an emotional, embodied and relational practice

    In this episode of Legal human, host Anthony Kearns is joined by Kirsty Harvison, Senior Manager, Bendelta and former General Counsel. Kirsty reflects on her journey from law firm associate to in-house counsel, exploring how the role of a lawyer evolves in varying business contexts. The conversation delves into the importance of balancing the cognitive, emotional and relational aspect of legal practice. Particularly the importance of building trust and influence as an in-house lawyer by developing your comfort in complexity, emotional agility and dialogue skills. Kirsty also shares her insights on the growing impact of technology on the legal profession and how lawyers must adapt by honing their human-centred skills to navigate complex problems in an increasingly AI-driven world.

    41 min
  • 7 épisodes

À propos

A podcast exploring the enduring and evolving role of human lawyers in the rapidly changing legal ecosystem. There is a lot of talk about the potential impact of generative AI on the role of lawyers. In this podcast we ask some amazing human lawyers to consider the changing role of lawyers in a technology-enabled future and how we can work together to create a future where human lawyers can thrive. We explore: • The strengths of human lawyers that will become even more important in our technology-enabled future. • The changing nature and importance of human expertise • The increasing importance of the relational aspects of practice • Developing our ability to operate in genuine complexity and influence complex human systems

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  • Création
    Lander & Rogers
  • Années d’activité
    2024 - 2025
  • Épisodes
    7
  • Copyright
    © Lander & Rogers 2025
  • Site web de l’émission
    Legal human
  • Fournisseur
    Lander & Rogers

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