38 episodes

Ignorance of the law is no excuse! That’s true for a traffic stop, and it’s true if you want to participate in whatever’s left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it’s that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalists Liz Dye and Andrew Torrez break down the week’s most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle. Whether it’s Texas giving two middle fingers to the Supreme Court, or Donald Trump in all the courts at once, we’ve got you covered.

Law and Chaos Liz Dye

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Ignorance of the law is no excuse! That’s true for a traffic stop, and it’s true if you want to participate in whatever’s left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it’s that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalists Liz Dye and Andrew Torrez break down the week’s most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle. Whether it’s Texas giving two middle fingers to the Supreme Court, or Donald Trump in all the courts at once, we’ve got you covered.

    Ep 37 — PA Dad Takes On Moms For Liberty (feat. Joy Ramsingh and Darren Laustsen)

    Ep 37 — PA Dad Takes On Moms For Liberty (feat. Joy Ramsingh and Darren Laustsen)

    Pennsylvania dad Darren Laustsen saw books disappearing from his daughter’s school — books which just so happened to be on the Moms for Liberty hit list. And he did something about it! Andrew and Liz talk to Darren and his lawyer Joy Ramsingh about their open records case that revealed a school board plot to shadowban books.  
    Links:
    Laustsen v. Pennridge SD docket
    https://propublic.buckscountyonline.org/PSI/v/detail/Case/6253965
    SB answer
    https://www.openrecords.pa.gov/Appeals/DocketGetFile.cfm?id=129351
    10/19/23 Order
    https://www.openrecords.pa.gov/Appeals/DocketGetFile.cfm?id=139446
     
    Uncovering the Cover-up: How Republican Pennridge School Board Directors Secretly Banned Books
    https://buckscountybeacon.com/2024/05/uncovering-the-cover-up-how-republican-pennridge-school-board-directors-secretly-banned-books/ 


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    • 1 hr 7 min
    Ep 36 — Bad News For Ken Chesebro. And For Asbestos!

    Ep 36 — Bad News For Ken Chesebro. And For Asbestos!

    We update you on all of the states that have brought criminal charges against those involved in the “fake electors” plot to try and keep Donald Trump in the White House after he lost the 2020 election, including in particular the latest criminal complaint filed against Ken Chesbro in Wisconsin. In the B segment, we tell you how the Biden administration FINALLY banned asbestos. In 2024.
     
    Links:
    Chesebro “The Real Deadline for Settling a State’s Electoral Votes” memo
    https://app.box.com/s/ifis7hu74dz6xp0awkq567ygetrvcof1/file/1460145645094
    AZ fake electors indictment
    https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2024-05/PHX-%2312079639-v1-TRUE_BILL_-_INDICTMENT_93_SGJ_81.PDF
    GA indictment
    https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/08/CRIMINAL-INDICTMENT-Trump-Fulton-County-GA.pdf
    Georgia Court of Appeals, Stay of Roman v. State (AKA the Trump RICO case)
    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24735877/stayproceedings.pdf 
    WI indictment
    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24731470/24cf1293-24cf1294-24cf1295.pdf
    Corrosion Proof Fittings v. EPA
    https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/947/1201/153685/
    ACC Letter to EPA re asbestos use
    http://src.bna.com/iuL
    Ural Asbest’s Facebook page
    Trump insane asbestos tweet
    Link
    EPA’s final rule on asbestos, 40 CFR Part 751
    https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2024-03-28/pdf/2024-05972.pdf
    EPA Factfinding pursuant to the TSCA
    https://www.epa.gov/assessing-and-managing-chemicals-under-tsca/risk-management-asbestos-part-1-chrysotile-asbestos
     
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    • 50 min
    Ep 35 — Judge Cannon Drops The Ball. Plus Your Trump Trial Questions Answered!

    Ep 35 — Judge Cannon Drops The Ball. Plus Your Trump Trial Questions Answered!

    We answer your follow-up questions on the Trump verdict in New York, remind you that Aileen Cannon continues to get worse and worse in the Trump documents case in FL, talk about Sam Alito’s fondness for flags, and give you an extra-long patreon bonus on Stan Woodward’s dedication to NOT his client.
    Links:
    Alito
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24698834-letter-from-justice-alito-to-senators-durbin-and-whitehouse
    Noreika denial of Hunter Biden MTD on invalidity of special counsel
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ded.82797/gov.uscourts.ded.82797.101.0.pdf
    18 U.S.C. 2
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2
    Nauta MTD February 28, 2024.
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.352.0.pdf
    Gov’t opp Nauta MTD March 7, 2024
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.378.0.pdf
    Trump and Nauta motion for extension of time March 11, 2024
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.386.0_3.pdf
    Nauta reply brief May 20, 2024
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.556.0.pdf
    Nauta Notice of Supplemental Authority
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652/gov.uscourts.flsd.648652.582.0.pdf
     
    United States v. Tobon-Builes, 706 F.2d 1092, 1101 (11th Cir. 1983)
    https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-tobon-builes
     
    Seattle Times on law excluding felons
    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/plot-twist-for-trump-wa-has-a-law-against-felons-running-for-office/
    RCW 29A.68.020
    https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=29A.68.020
    Trump v. Anderson
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-719_19m2.pdf
    Eisen NYT on sentencing
    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/18/opinion/donald-trump-trial-prison.html
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    • 1 hr 6 min
    Ep 34 — GUILTY

    Ep 34 — GUILTY

    IT IS FINISHED. Today, the jury in New York unanimously agreed that Donald Trump committed 34 felonies, falsifying business records in the first degree, when he repaid Michael Cohen for secretly paying off Stormy Daniels to bury her story right before the 2016 election. What does it all mean and what comes next? Listen and find out!
    Links:
    NY Penal Law 175.10
    https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-175-10/
    New York Penal Sec. 70
    https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/70.00
    New York Penal Sec. 65
    https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-65-00/
    New York Penal Sec. 530.50
    https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/CPL/530.50
    Jury Instructions
    https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People%20v.%20DJT%20Jury%20Instructions%20and%20Charges%20FINAL%205-23-24.pdf
    Georgia Code §42-8-60
    https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2022/title-42/chapter-8/article-3/section-42-8-60/


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    • 57 min
    Ep 33 — Trump Trials: What Does The Manhattan DA Have To Do To Secure A Conviction?

    Ep 33 — Trump Trials: What Does The Manhattan DA Have To Do To Secure A Conviction?

    Trump’s false business records case goes to the jury in New York. Liz and Andrew break down the charges and the jury instructions, as well as debunking some of Trumpland’s wildest lies about the law. 
    Links:
    CITES
    NY PEN 175.05
    https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-175-05/
    NY PEN 175.10
    https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-175-10/
     
    Cohen plea deal
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/michael-cohen-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court-eight-counts-including-criminal-tax
    NY Election law 17-152
    New York Criminal Pattern Jury Instructions (CJI)
    https://www.nycourts.gov/judges/cji/5-SampleCharges/CJI2d.Final_Instructions.pdf
    FECA jury instruction
    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24688857/2024-05-21-joint-feca-jury-charge-request.pdf
    accomplice liability jury instruction
    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24688848/2024-05-21-joint-accomplice-as-a-matter-of-law-jury-charge-request.pdf
    elements of the offense jury instruction
    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24688855/2024-05-21-joint-falsifying-business-records-charge-request.pdf
     
    17-152 jury instruction
    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24688854/2024-05-21-joint-election-law-17-152-jury-charge-request.pdf
     
    Written retainer agreement issue
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/new-york/title-22/subtitle-B/chapter-IV/subchapter-E/part-1215
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    • 1 hr 7 min
    Ep 32 — SCOTUS Says Racial Gerrymanders Are Very Cool and Very Legal

    Ep 32 — SCOTUS Says Racial Gerrymanders Are Very Cool and Very Legal

    Liz and Andrew break down the latest Supreme Court horror ruling, greenlighting racial gerrymandering to all Republicans to choose their voters, and not the other way around. And then it’s off to Florida to catch up on the latest wacka**ery in the Trump stolen docs case.
     
    Links:
    Rucho v. Common Cause (2019)
    https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6090361490276671133
    Gill v. Whitford (2018)
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-1161_dc8f.pdf
    Alexander v. S.C. NAACP (2024)
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-807_3e04.pdf
    Rudy bankruptcy order denying leave to appeal
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064.230.0.pdf
    Beryl Howell’s order abrogating attorney-client privilege
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.561.4.pdf
    In re Grand Jury Proc., 142 F.3d 1416, 1428 (11th Cir. 1998)
    https://casetext.com/case/in-re-grand-jury-proceedings-57
    11 U.S. Code § 362
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/11/362
    Giuliani motion for relief from stay
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064.195.1.pdf
    Giuliani appeal schedule
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064.195.2.pdf
    Freeman/Moss opp
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064.207.0.pdf
    Giuliani Bankruptcy Order denying relief
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064.230.0.pdf
    Freeman/Moss complaint for injunctive relief
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064/gov.uscourts.nysb.319064.218.0.pdf
     
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