Lisa Ampleman on Jorie Graham's "The Way Things Work"

In this space and Taylor Swift-centric episode, I talk with Lisa Ampleman (Mom in Space) about Jorie Graham's poem "The Way Things Work" (The Dream of the Unified Field). Lisa has to sway me on this poem a bit. We chat about faith, infertility, and Rube Goldberg machines. Then Lisa shares her fantastic poem "Tenuous Blueprint" and I gush. Afterward, we play a game I call "My Very Elegant Mother Just Sat Upon Nine Porcupines" (Justice for Plato!). This episode is brought to you by Taylor Swift.

Also mentioned:

• Andrew Chaiken's A Man on the Moon
• Space wallpaper (not Lisa's)
• Jorie Graham's To 2040
• Lucie Brock-Broido
• Attacks on IVF
• Pluto (it's red!)
• Voyager
• The Webb telescope