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LW - PSA: The community is in Berkeley/Oakland, not "the Bay Area" by maia The Nonlinear Library: LessWrong Daily
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Welcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: PSA: The community is in Berkeley/Oakland, not "the Bay Area", published by maia on September 11, 2023 on LessWrong.Posting this because I recently had a conversation that went like this:Friend: Hey, you used to live in SF. Is there any rationalist stuff actually happening in San Francisco? There don't seem to be many events, or even that many aspiring rationalists living here. What's up with that? [Paraphrased. I've had similar versions of this conversation more than once.]Me: Something we realized living there is that SF actually suffers the same brain drain as most other cities, because everyone just goes to Berkeley/Oakland.The same way people move from the East Coast or elsewhere to Berkeley, they move from the rest of the Bay Area to Berkeley. Actually, they do it even more, because moving to Berkeley is easier when you already live pretty close by.And you don't figure this out until you move there, because people who live outside the Bay Area think of it as being all the same place. But the 45 minute train ride really matters when it comes to events and socializing, as it turns out.Friend: That sounds so inconvenient for people who have jobs in the city or South Bay!Me: Sure is! I don't have a super-solid answer for this, except that 1) Lots of people actually just do awful, awful commutes, because having a real, in-person community is that valuable to them, as bad as commuting is. 2) A surprising fraction of the community works at rationalist/rationalist-adjacent nonprofits, most of which are actually located in the East Bay. Plus, 3) in a post-COVID world, more people can work remote or partly remote. So you can choose to live where your community is... which is Berkeley... even though it is crazy expensive.I don't actually live in the Bay Area anymore, so I don't have the most up-to-date information on where events are happening and things. But it seems from what I hear from folks still there that it's still broadly true that East Bay is where things are happening, and other parts of the area have much less of the community.If you're thinking about moving to the Bay in part for the rationality community, take this into account!Thanks for listening. To help us out with The Nonlinear Library or to learn more, please visit nonlinear.org
Welcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: PSA: The community is in Berkeley/Oakland, not "the Bay Area", published by maia on September 11, 2023 on LessWrong.Posting this because I recently had a conversation that went like this:Friend: Hey, you used to live in SF. Is there any rationalist stuff actually happening in San Francisco? There don't seem to be many events, or even that many aspiring rationalists living here. What's up with that? [Paraphrased. I've had similar versions of this conversation more than once.]Me: Something we realized living there is that SF actually suffers the same brain drain as most other cities, because everyone just goes to Berkeley/Oakland.The same way people move from the East Coast or elsewhere to Berkeley, they move from the rest of the Bay Area to Berkeley. Actually, they do it even more, because moving to Berkeley is easier when you already live pretty close by.And you don't figure this out until you move there, because people who live outside the Bay Area think of it as being all the same place. But the 45 minute train ride really matters when it comes to events and socializing, as it turns out.Friend: That sounds so inconvenient for people who have jobs in the city or South Bay!Me: Sure is! I don't have a super-solid answer for this, except that 1) Lots of people actually just do awful, awful commutes, because having a real, in-person community is that valuable to them, as bad as commuting is. 2) A surprising fraction of the community works at rationalist/rationalist-adjacent nonprofits, most of which are actually located in the East Bay. Plus, 3) in a post-COVID world, more people can work remote or partly remote. So you can choose to live where your community is... which is Berkeley... even though it is crazy expensive.I don't actually live in the Bay Area anymore, so I don't have the most up-to-date information on where events are happening and things. But it seems from what I hear from folks still there that it's still broadly true that East Bay is where things are happening, and other parts of the area have much less of the community.If you're thinking about moving to the Bay in part for the rationality community, take this into account!Thanks for listening. To help us out with The Nonlinear Library or to learn more, please visit nonlinear.org
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