The DIVERG. Podcast

Kristi Bergeron
The DIVERG. Podcast

Inclusive of autistic and other neurodivergent voices, the DIVERG. podcast exists to bridge the gap between specialized knowledge and everyday parenting. We bring together forward-thinking experts who champion neuroaffirming and developmentally-based approaches to therapy, education, and life, while addressing the systemic challenges that families and individuals face in environments not designed for diverse minds. Insight by insight, we are building community and making space for all kinds of minds.

  1. Episode 1: Searching for Safety, Redefining PDA

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    Episode 1: Searching for Safety, Redefining PDA

    Zach Morris M.Ed., Alive at LEARN   In this episode of the DIVERG. Podcast, we sit down with Zach Morris, Zach Morris M.Ed. the founder of Alive at Learn and PDA expert. In this episode, we delve into the unique challenges and strengths of PDA, misconceptions around the profile, and practical strategies for creating neuroaffirming spaces. Whether you're a parent, educator, or someone seeking to better understand neurodivergence, Zach's perspective offers invaluable wisdom and actionable advice. Tune in for an enlightening conversation about redefining safety, embracing individuality, and advocating for a more compassionate world. Podcast References:  * Alive At Learn: https://www.aliveatlearn.com [https://www.aliveatlearn.com/] * Tilt Parenting: https://tiltparenting.com/  * Bright and Quirky: https://brightandquirky.com/ * PDA North America: https://pdanorthamerica.org/ * Speak Peace in a World of Conflict: What You Say Next Will Change Your World [https://www.amazon.com/Speak-Peace-World-Conflict-Change/dp/1892005174/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1YZKX5P5XYNGF&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2EBl4NdXKPWP-fCJRbbQGJkmQ2j5gLMFTK4zeg79kz9o9d1_jnuzOhoYkNGQ5MGtA_GL8jaZho2YjTy_J-u6FplAP_xOtbk2bVDIJ82CAoQ3axE3zVis4t1KGodD5per_HFegob9E9B29b9lVuVUfLt3m1QnYQH1r10CIrEl3-RQXZIddvNeafREZbTzh5Gimr64anwZn2OwdDf3wtbM47OKvyHcUPHNRPJgx3xPQc0.H1xQFzH8D3gbf953vC7toxqtTgQ8ccHgOM-8KG7Whc0&dib_tag=se&keywords=speak+peace+in+a+world+of+conflict&qid=1735783963&sprefix=Speak+Peace+in+%2Caps%2C113&sr=8-1] by Marshall B. Rosenberg PhD [https://www.amazon.com/Marshall-B-Rosenberg-PhD/e/B000APJPFG?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1735783963&sr=8-1] * Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life: Life-Changing Tools for Healthy Relationships (Nonviolent Communication Guides) [https://www.amazon.com/Nonviolent-Communication-Language-Life-Changing-Relationships/dp/189200528X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1DPEVNRKTVDBW&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.poMkMJ4iZ5d0y1PXK11VfsqbnV1cfr5JT8ajk0qHO4Y_Nbv-m1-enroYmhyJf72kgNPFiR9zxcdeKAgIC-hNXwqGks86x0ieExxOLgmiBbSI_eQACowgbfZjYSzydBas-vCx4JO_4pysH_Wd0tLw5QjeDzyD0-7-KIbbyGCiY69WndAjB9MvEynsvhQZ1VS0S5ftPok83ZLBninWfqXFVyerZd6T8RqbuwdxpjJlJqc.XZlrPBq00I7aBhSTgAE0VcIgI2dbPQiaH-SWhaL6ldI&dib_tag=se&keywords=non+violent+communication+rosenberg&qid=1735783989&sprefix=Non+violen%2Caps%2C126&sr=8-1] Part of: Nonviolent Communication Guides (15 books) [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0868D3QLQ?binding=paperback&searchxofy=true&ref_=dbs_s_aps_series_rwt_tpbk&qid=1735783989&sr=8-1] | by Marshall B. Rosenberg PhD [https://www.amazon.com/Marshall-B-Rosenberg-PhD/e/B000APJPFG?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1735783989&sr=8-1] and Deepak Chopra | Sep 1, 2015 * Say What You Mean [https://a.co/d/7dokW7C]by Oren Jay Sofer  * The Declarative Language Handbook [https://a.co/d/7DwTuxK]by Linda K. Murphy  Connect with Us: Subscribe to the DIVERG Podcast. for more episodes that celebrate neurodivergence and democratize access to empowering information. Follow us on @DIVERGprograms on Instagram or visit www.Divergprograms.com to join the community.

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  2. Episode 2: Embracing the Journey, Educating 2E Kids

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    Episode 2: Embracing the Journey, Educating 2E Kids

    In this inspiring episode, we sit down with Jacqui Byrne, Founder of FlexSchool, to explore the unique journey of raising twice-exceptional (2E) children. Jacqui shares her wealth of wisdom and insights on creating positive education models that celebrate individual strengths while providing the necessary support to overcome challenges. Together, we discuss the transformative power of tailored learning environments and how parents and educators can empower 2E kids to thrive. Whether you're a parent, teacher, or advocate for neurodivergent learners, this episode is packed with inspiration and actionable takeaways. https://www.flexschool.net https://www.instagram.com/flex_school/ Podcast References: Columbus Group Definition "Giftedness is 'asynchronous development' in which advanced cognitive abilities and heightened intensity combine to create inner experiences and awareness that are qualitatively different from the norm. This asynchrony increases with higher intellectual capacity. The uniqueness of the gifted renders them particularly vulnerable and requires modifications in parenting, teaching and counseling in order for them to develop optimally." (Columbus Group, 1991)

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  3. Episode 3: Strength in Connection: Mindfulness, Relationship and Strength Based Approaches to Autism Therapy

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    Episode 3: Strength in Connection: Mindfulness, Relationship and Strength Based Approaches to Autism Therapy

    Dr. Deirdre Azzopardi, Founder, The Mindful School O.T.   In this episode of The DIVERG. Podcast, we explore the transformative power of connection in autism therapy. Join us as we dive into the importance of mindfulness, building strong relationships, and using strength-based approaches to support neurodivergent children. We take a closer look at DIR Floortime, a developmentally-based and relationship-focused therapy model that emphasizes meeting children where they are and supporting their growth through play, connection, and joy. With practical insights and real-world examples, we discuss how these approaches can empower families to move beyond a "fix-it" mindset and instead celebrate the unique strengths and perspectives of their children. Whether you're a parent, educator, or caregiver, this episode will leave you inspired to embrace connection as a cornerstone of autism therapy—and to see the incredible potential that blossoms when we focus on strengths, not deficits. The Mindful School OT  [https://www.themindfulschoolot.com/] Episode Resources: ICDL (Home of DIR/Floortime) [https://www.icdl.com/home] DIR/Floortime Evidence Based [https://www.icdl.com/research] DIR/Floortime Trainings & Courses  [https://www.icdl.com/courses] Studies on Mindfulness/Restraint: Mindful staff can reduce the use of physical restraints when providing care to individuals with intellectual disabilities. [https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2009-02027-014] Effects of Training Staff in MBPBS on the Use of Physical Restraints, Staff Stress and Turnover, Staff and Peer Injuries, and Cost Effectiveness in Developmental Disabilities [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273388648_Effects_of_Training_Staff_in_MBPBS_on_the_Use_of_Physical_Restraints_Staff_Stress_and_Turnover_Staff_and_Peer_Injuries_and_Cost_Effectiveness_in_Developmental_Disabilities].  Effectiveness of caregiver training in mindfulness-based positive behavior support (MBPBS) vs. training-as-usual (TAU): a randomized controlled trial. [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5053082/]

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  4. Episode 4: Building Confidence in Inclusive Environments

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    Episode 4: Building Confidence in Inclusive Environments

    In this episode, we sit down with Claudine Mossberg, founder of The Outdoor Play Connection, to explore how needs-based approaches can foster truly inclusive spaces for children of all abilities. Claudine shares her inspiring journey in creating environments where every child feels seen, supported, and empowered to thrive. Together, we discuss the importance of rethinking traditional play structures, understanding individual needs, and designing inclusive opportunities that foster connection, growth and true belonging. Whether you're a parent, educator, or advocate, this episode offers valuable insights into building a world where all kids can play, learn, and belong. https://www.outdoorplayconnection.com/ Instagram: @OutdoorPlayConnection Other References: The Coddling of the American Mind [https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Generation/dp/0735224897?tag=googhydr-20&source=dsa&hvcampaign=books&gclid=Cj0KCQiA7se8BhCAARIsAKnF3rxbMBy36fyxPACWfLrFj_ZOr1D9jkyJnmAOl74RuZ9hiXw0yaE26lIaAtalEALw_wcB] Please note: This was my personal reference, not Claudines.

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  5. Episode 5: Championing Autonomy: the ACT Framework

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    Episode 5: Championing Autonomy: the ACT Framework

    In this episode of DIVERG., we sit down with Mary O'Brien, an Autistic BCBA (Board Certified Behavior Analyst) and expert in Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA). Together, we explore what Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) can look like when it is reimagined through a neuroaffirming lens—one that prioritizes values-based practices and fosters true autonomy for autistic individuals. Mary shares her insights on shifting ABA away from compliance-driven approaches and toward a framework that respects individual agency, sensory needs, and the natural ways autistic people communicate and learn. We dive into how therapists, educators, and parents can implement strategies that honor self-direction, reduce anxiety around demands, and create supportive environments that align with an autistic person's strengths and values. Whether you're a parent, therapist, or someone seeking a more ethical and affirming approach to support, this episode challenges traditional narratives and offers a hopeful perspective on how ABA can evolve to be more respectful, responsive, and truly beneficial for autistic individuals—especially those with a PDA profile. Jersey Behavior [https://www.jerseybehavior.com/] Mary's Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/jersey_behavior/#] Other References: Mindful Behavior IG [https://www.instagram.com/mindfulbehavioraction/] Unfurling Littles IG [https://www.instagram.com/unfurling_littles/] Bearded Behaviorist IG [https://www.instagram.com/beardedbehaviorist/?hl=en]

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  6. Episode 6: Shifting Mindsets: A discussion on inclusion and why it matters.

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    Episode 6: Shifting Mindsets: A discussion on inclusion and why it matters.

    In this episode of DIVERG., we sit down with Dr. James Coviello for a nuanced conversation about the benefits of inclusion and what it takes to do it well. Beyond checkboxes and buzzwords, we explore how true inclusion fosters innovation, belonging, and meaningful progress in education. Dr. Covvielo shares insights on breaking down systemic barriers, designing environments that support neurodivergent individuals, and ensuring that inclusion is more than just a performative act. Whether you're a parent, educator, or advocate, this episode offers a thoughtful and actionable approach to building spaces where everyone thrives.  About Dr. Coviello [https://www.stjohns.edu/academics/faculty/james-c-coviello] Work & Citations [https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=8b65ITcAAAAJ&hl=en] NJCIE [https://www.njcie.org/research-collaborative]

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  7. Episode 7: Joining In: The Key Differences Between Behavioral and Developmental Approaches—and Why Connection Always Wins

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    Episode 7: Joining In: The Key Differences Between Behavioral and Developmental Approaches—and Why Connection Always Wins

    In this enlightening episode of DIVERG., we sit down with Dr. Jeffrey Guenzel, CEO of the International Council on Development and Learning, to explore the fundamental differences between behavioral and developmental approaches in supporting autistic individuals. Dr. Guenzel breaks down how these models shape the way we engage with neurodivergent children and why prioritizing connection over compliance leads to meaningful progress. ICLD Website [https://www.icdl.com/home] DIR/Floortime® Training Courses [https://www.icdl.com/courses] Dr. Jeffery Guenzel  [https://jeffreyguenzel.com/]

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  8. Episode 8: Radical Behaviorism & Radical Accountability: A nuanced conversation about ABA, ethics and how we move forward.

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    Episode 8: Radical Behaviorism & Radical Accountability: A nuanced conversation about ABA, ethics and how we move forward.

    Brian Middleton, M.Ed., BCBA, LBA Join us for an engaging episode featuring Brian Middleton, the Bearded Behaviorist, as we delve into the heart of Radical Behaviorism and Radical Accountability. In this conversation, Brian unpacks the evolving landscape of ABA, explores pressing ethical challenges, and offers fresh perspectives on how the field can move forward with renewed accountability. Whether you're a seasoned practitioner or new to behavior analysis, this episode promises insightful dialogue, innovative ideas, and a touch of Brian's signature wit. Tune in to rethink the future of ABA, ethics, and transformative accountability. Mindful Behavior [https://mindfulbehaviorllc.org/] Bearded Behaviorist Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/beardedbehaviorist/?hl=en] Neuroqueer Heresies: Notes on the Neurodiversity Paradigm, Autistic Empowerment, and Postnormal Possibilities [https://www.audible.com/pd/Neuroqueer-Heresies-Audiobook/B0BQZKDB17?source_code=GO1MB12109072190YI&ds_rl=1261256&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA5eC9BhAuEiwA3CKwQlG3-PGtfjUeczS6jGNqnNa0nXl5OP0zwdpn7arKblW8eNEjy3BwrhoCh5gQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds] Pain and Shock in America: Politics, Advocacy, and the Controversial Treatment of People with Disabilities [https://www.amazon.com/Pain-Shock-America-Controversial-Disabilities/dp/1684580749]

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    Episode 9: Wait, Watch, Wonder: DIR/Floortime in Action at The Rebecca School

    Toni Tortora, O.T. and Clinical Director of The Rebecca School In this episode of DIVERG., we take a deep dive into DIR/Floortime, a developmental, relationship-based approach that meets autistic children where they are and fosters meaningful growth through play, connection, and emotional engagement. Our guest, Toni Tortora, Occupational Therapist and Clinical Director at The Rebecca School, shares how the school implements DIR/Floortime to create a neuroaffirming and strengths-based learning environment. We discuss the power of waiting, watching, and wondering—three core principles that help caregivers and educators attune to a child's unique way of engaging with the world. Toni provides real-life examples of how these strategies empower students to build communication, regulation, and problem-solving skills while feeling seen, supported, and understood. Whether you're a parent, therapist, or educator, this episode will deepen your understanding of DIR/Floortime in action and inspire you to embrace a child-led approach to development. Tune in for a conversation filled with insight, warmth, and actionable takeaways! The Rebecca School  [https://www.rebeccaschool.org/] Episode 8: Joining In: The Key Differences Between Behavioral and Developmental Approaches—and Why Connection Always Wins with Dr. Jeffrey Guenzel, CEO of the International Council on Development and Learning [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-diverg-podcast/id1784860460?i=1000694027349] Episode 3: Strength in Connection: Mindfulness, Relationship and Strength Based Approaches to Autism Therapy with Dr. Deirdre Azzopardi, Founder, The Mindful School O.T. [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-diverg-podcast/id1784860460?i=1000684405082]

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Inclusive of autistic and other neurodivergent voices, the DIVERG. podcast exists to bridge the gap between specialized knowledge and everyday parenting. We bring together forward-thinking experts who champion neuroaffirming and developmentally-based approaches to therapy, education, and life, while addressing the systemic challenges that families and individuals face in environments not designed for diverse minds. Insight by insight, we are building community and making space for all kinds of minds.

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