When We're Not Hustling: Sex Workers Talking About Everything But

Jessie Sage
When We're Not Hustling: Sex Workers Talking About Everything But

When We’re Not Hustling is a twice-monthly podcast that explores the lives and identities of sex workers outside our personas. Each episode features a long-form interview with a sex worker, where we talk about everything but work: personal philosophies, ambitions, family, relationships, passions, hobbies, mental and physical health, identity, spirituality, meaning-making, and more. On this show, we learn who sex workers are outside of the work they are known for. When We’re Not Hustling is an exploration of the people behind the fantasies.

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    S3 E8: I Am a Pro Domme and a Pro Wrestler—I Like to Play the Heel with Katarina

    In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, host Jessie Sage and guest Katarina "The Domme Kat" Pierce delve into her journey from TV production and journalism to becoming a co-founder of the Sex Work Survival Guide, a nonprofit providing crucial resources and education to sex workers. The conversation covers the challenges and stigmas within the sex industry, the importance of safety and community, and the unique blend of creativity and empowerment found in wrestling and BDSM. Katarina highlights her passion for wrestling as both an art form and a means of personal expression, illustrating how it allows for a dynamic interplay of strength, storytelling, and connection with clients. The episode also touches on the broader cultural narratives surrounding sex work and wrestling, emphasizing the transformative power of embracing one's true self and the support found within the sex work community. In this Episode: 00:02:49 Emily Foster introduces herself as the producer and talks about upcoming projects, including Jessie's book and TEDx Talk.   00:03:55 Introduction of Katarina, discussing her work and her nonprofit. 00:06:11 Katarina shares the challenges of entering the industry and the purpose behind the Sex Work Survival Guide.   00:09:30 Discussion about the format of the Sex Work Survival Guide conferences and speaker series.   00:18:19 Katarina discusses her journey into sex work and the reasons for choosing this path.   00:28:15 Jessie and Katarina discuss the dynamics of submission and fetishism in their work.   00:42:39 Discussion about the body emphasis in wrestling and how it intersects with sex work.   00:50:12 Katarina explains how sessions are like improv dance and the importance of consent.   00:57:04 Katarina shares one of her most fun sessions, involving role play and exploration.   01:02:02 Katarina and Jessie discuss their intentions for balancing work and personal life.   Guest:  Katarina "The Domme Kat" Pierce is a NYC-based fetish wrestler, ProDomme, adult actress and producer, kink educator and experience creator.   With Tiana "Glittersaurus Rex" and Dr. Ash Dark, Kat co-founded SW Survival Guide, a non-profit dedicated to the idea that life-saving information shouldn't be gatekept because “survival shouldn't be a luxury.”   Katarina comes from the world of TV production and print journalism. When she's editing content and her mom calls to ask what she's doing, Kat gets to say, "Using my college degree." Instagram: @domina_katarina X/Twitter:  @TheDommeKat Bluesky: thedommekat.bsky.social Website: theDommeKat.com or www.thedominakatarina.com Recommendations:  Books:  Wake: The Hidden History of Women-Led Slave Revolts, by Rebecca Hall  Music:  Marc Anthony Podcasts:  The Mystery Hour-Rabia Chaudry The Hidden Djinn - Rabia Chaudry  The Rest:  Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

    1 h 4 min

  2. 17 FÉVR.

    S3 E7: I Make Art From Bones and I Like Homesteading, Too with Miss Faith Rae

    In this episode of the When We're Not Hustling podcast, host Jessie Sage welcomes Ms. Faith Rae, a Canadian sex worker and multidisciplinary artist. The conversation explores Faith's life outside her work persona, delving into her passions for sustainability and art. Faith shares her unique craft of creating art with ethically sourced animal bones, a practice that connects her with nature and offers a sense of healing and honoring life cycles. Her dedication to sustainability extends to her lifestyle choices, including plans to build a homestead with permaculture principles. Throughout the discussion, Faith reflects on how these practices have reshaped her relationship with life and death, and how they align with her broader commitment to environmental care. The episode is a deep dive into the personal philosophies and creative endeavors that define Faith Rae beyond her professional identity. In this Episode: 00:02:40 Introduction to the guest, Faith Rae, a Canadian multidisciplinary artist and sex worker.   00:03:10 Faith Rae discusses her art with bones and her interests in sustainability.   00:06:03 Discussion on ADHD and creative processes.   00:10:54 Faith Rae talks about her connection to nature and how it influences her art.   00:13:28 Discussion on how working with bones has changed her relationship with death.   00:19:49 Faith Rae talks about her interest in sustainability and thrifting.   00:31:19 Faith Rae discusses her plans to move and her vision for a sustainable homestead.   00:43:12 Discussion on permaculture and sustainable farming practices.   00:52:24 Faith Rae shares her excitement for the future and her personal journey.   00:53:01 Closing remarks and where to find Faith Rae's work.   Guest:  Faith Rae is a Canadian sex worker of over twelve years, whose career is rooted in Femdom content creation and online sessions. When she's not making men cry for money, she can be found hiking with her dog, making art out of ethically sourced animal remains, or learning new ways to incorporate sustainability and eco-consciousness into her day-to-day life. Bluesky: missfaithrae.bsky.social Website: missfaithrae.com Reccomendations:  Books:  Children of Time, by Adrian Tchaikovsky Music:  A Perfect Circle  Deftones  STARSET The Rest:  Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

    54 min

  3. 10 FÉVR.

    S3 E6: Stripping and Cam Modelling Isn't as Fun as Making Instant Noodles with Steph Sia

    In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, host Jessie Sage sits down with Steph Sia, a multidisciplinary artist and content creator from Vancouver, to discuss her diverse experiences in the adult industry. As a stripper, podcaster, and online content creator, Sia shares insights into balancing work and personal life while navigating the challenges and misconceptions surrounding sex work. The conversation also explores her unique YouTube channel, Sia Slurps, where she reviews instant noodles, highlighting her passion for creative expression beyond the industry. Throughout the episode, Sia emphasizes the importance of destigmatizing sex work and creating content that connects with mainstream audiences, fostering greater understanding and visibility. In this Episode: 00:02:41 Introduction to guest Steph Sia, her background, and podcast "Stripped by Sia".   00:03:57 Overview of Steph Sia’s career in the adult space and her various roles.   00:05:01 Steph shares her travel plans to Hawaii and family life.   00:07:55 Conversation about Steph's multiple jobs and how she manages them.   00:12:24 Introduction and discussion of Steph’s noodle review channel "See a Slurps".   00:24:00 Discussion on managing work and personal life, including setting boundaries to prevent burnout.   00:32:01 Steph discusses her transition from feature dancing to focusing more on online work.   00:58:27 Conversation about the realities of working in the sex industry and the impact of COVID on new entrants.   01:01:35 Reflections on the connections and friendships formed within the industry.   01:02:23 Jessie and Steph talk about their current reading and music interests.   01:04:59 Steph shares where listeners can find her content online.   01:06:33 Closing remarks by Jessie Sage.   Guest:  Steph SIA (aka SIA) is a content creator, podcaster, dancer, and multidisciplinary artist based out of Vancouver, BC. She has been in the adult space since 2013, starting out with in-person companionship, dancing professionally across clubs in Vancouver, fetish work and most recently, branching off into online work via paid subscription sites, camming and sexting. Steph SIA shares a love for dancing and movement which lead her to her naturally gravitating toward a career in the strip industry. Instagram: @strippedbysiapodcast X: @strippedbysia Bluesky: @strippedbysia Website: siaoncamera.com Reccomendations:  Books:  Thriving in Sex Work: Heartfelt Advice for Staying Sane in the Sex Industry, by Lola Divina  Music:  Thủy The Rest:  Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

    1 h 7 min

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    S3 E5: The Most Taboo Subject in the World Isn't Sex, It's Perimenopause

    In S3 E5 of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage sits down with Jet Setting Jasmine, an award-winning adult film director, psychotherapist, and master fetish trainer, to discuss perimenopause, evolving identities, and the challenges of navigating life, family, and sex work with autonomy and care. They explore the impact of bodily changes, the importance of boundary-setting, and Jasmine’s unique approach to parenting and education through travel. This episode offers a candid look at embracing new phases of life with confidence, community, and self-acceptance.  In this Episode: 00:02:51 Introduction of guest Jet Setting Jasmine  00:03:47 Discussion on perimenopause and its impact on daily life.   00:06:33 Conversation about the symptoms and lack of awareness regarding perimenopause.   00:10:28 Exploration of mood changes and personality shifts during perimenopause.   00:14:37 Concerns about sex drive changes due to perimenopause and how it affects sex work.   00:19:23 Discussion on adaptability in sex work as one ages and changes.   00:26:51 The impact of perimenopause on relationships and personal life.   00:41:51 Changes in family dynamics and embracing new roles as children grow.   00:54:49 Traveling with children and accommodating their needs in new environments.   01:01:32 Closing thoughts on perimenopause, its broader impacts, and the importance of sharing experiences with others going through similar life stages.   Guest:  Jet Setting Jasmine is an award-winning adult film director, entertainer, and master fetish trainer. She is also a licensed psychotherapist and educator who uses her expertise in mental health to advocate for a more inclusive and ethically-sound adult entertainment industry. Challenging Conventional Approaches to Sex, Jasmine is the co-owner, along with partner King Noire, of Royal Fetish Films, a multi-channel adult-entertainment business that resists the discriminatory tropes common in the art of entertainment and the mainstream adult industry. The filmmakers at Royal Fetish Films combine love for artistic and sensual film, with the need for authentic sexual representation. The result is blazing-hot content that stimulates the audience to explore their sexual boundaries in an area free from stigma. Her work on the decolonization of sex and pornography, as well as her advocacy for sex-positive parenting, recently landed her on Comedy Central’s The Daily Show. She has also appeared in major publications such as Vice, Playboy, Forbes, Cosmopolitan, NPR, Essence, BBC, and Psychology Today. Instagram: X: @JetSetJasmine Bluesky: @JetSettingJasmine.bsky.social XXX Content: RoyalFetishXXX.com Website: jetsettingjasmine.com The Rest:  Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

    1 h 4 min

  5. 27 JANV.

    S3 E4: I'm No Longer the Object of Men's Desires—I'm the Subject of My Own Story with Suzannah Weiss

    In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, host Jessie Sage sits down with Suzanna Weiss, a sexologist and author of Subjectified: Becoming a Sexual Subject. Weiss shares her journey toward sexual empowerment, beginning with overcoming an eating disorder tied to societal objectification and evolving through experiences like sex parties and sex writing. Her book challenges traditional narratives around women’s sexuality, urging women to reclaim agency and become active participants in their own desires, rather than passive objects of male fantasy. This episode offers a nuanced discussion on the complexities of sexual subjectivity and self-expression, encouraging listeners to embrace their desires and assert their individuality. In this Episode:  00:02:40 Introduction of guest Suzannah Weiss and her new book   00:04:32 Discussion on Suzannah's background and work   00:07:21 Suzannah's personal journey with sexuality and empowerment   00:09:50 Exploration of consent and desire   00:15:10 Discussion on societal views about sex and gender roles   00:25:25 Examination of men's experiences with desire   00:32:28 Suzannah's book tour experience and public readings   00:38:19 Insights on beauty, femininity, and empowerment   00:43:56 Tuning into personal boundaries and consent in sex work   00:53:55 Final thoughts on Suzannah's book and its impact   00:54:24 Closing segment with Suzannah's current reads and excitements   Guest:  Suzannah Weiss is a writer and sexologist based in Los Angeles. She is the author of Subjectified: Becoming a Sexual Subject, which describes her search for sexual empowerment and her vision for a world where women are subjects, not just objects, of desire. She has written over 8800 articles, which have appeared in publications such as The New York Times and The Washington Post. As a sex educator certified by the American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors, and Therapists, Suzannah has taught courses and given talks on topics including consent, orgasms, childbirth, non-monogamy, and neurodiversity. She is regularly quoted as an expert in publications like Cosmopolitan and Men's Health and also works as a sex/love coach, birth doula, and sexual assault counselor. She holds a Master of Professional Studies in Sexual Health from the University of Minnesota, a Bachelor of Science in Cognitive Neuroscience from Brown University, and a Bachelor of Arts in Gender & Sexuality Studies and Modern Culture & Media from Brown University. She likes to play with words in silly ways that tap into big truths. Instagram: @weisssuzannah X: @suzannahweiss Website: www.suzannahweiss.com Recommendation: Audiobooks: Man's Seach for Meaning, by Victor E. Frankl In an Unspoken Voice, by Peter Levine Sensual Faith: The Art of Coming Home to Your Body, by Lyvonne Briggs Music: Oh No, by OK Go (Album)  Best Coast (Band)  The Rest:  Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

    58 min

  6. 20 JANV.

    S3 E3: Urban Warriors Sometimes Carry Seeds and Scythes with Xanthe Rhea

    In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage sits down with long-time friend Xanthe Rhea to discuss her journey from stripping to full-service sex work. Xanthe shares insights into the financial pressures dancers face, including the challenges of "pay-to-work" club systems, and how these experiences shaped her transition within the industry. Beyond sex work, the conversation explores Xanthe's passion for urban farming, her background in herbalism, and her commitment to holistic health practices. They discuss the philosophical differences between herbalism and Western medicine, as well as the social and environmental benefits of local, organic farming. The episode delves into the challenges of urban gardening, including community resistance and regulatory hurdles, and reflects on the intersection of climate change, empowerment, and personal growth. Xanthe concludes by sharing her vision for balancing her farming aspirations with her work in the sex industry. In this Episode:  00:00:06 Introduction to When We're Not Hustling 00:02:49 Guest introduction: Xanthe Rhea 00:05:00 Experiences in dancing and stripping 00:09:52 Labor issues and female labor struggles 00:14:10 Urban gardening and farming experiences 00:16:11 Herb school and herbalism 00:21:39 Code switching between herbalism and Western medicine 00:30:19 Midwives and naturalistic approaches 00:37:02 Health tips and firewater benefits 00:42:33 Importance of organic, local produce 00:51:48 Interpersonal skills learned from sex work 00:57:57 Vision for future farming and community living 01:01:20 Plans for 2025 and touring goals 01:05:02 Where to find Xanthe Rhea online Guest: I'm a traveling stripper from Pittsburgh who is transitioning to in-person sex work. Right now, I'm also working on aerial skills to become a traveling feature performer. I have a formal education in nursing. Once I finished my nursing program and obtained my license I ran screaming into herbalism education and started getting serious/obsessive about travel dancing. I also trained with a trail-building non-profit when I was a teenager. This experience stays with me in the form of desire to find sweet hiking spots or natural swim spots wherever I travel. I'm looking forward to continue to build community resilience within the SWer community and the femme community at large that's built on radical honesty, pleasure and connectedness. P.S. In my future there will be chickens. Website: xantherhea.com Bluesky: x-rhea.bsky.social Recommendation: Books:  Saturn Return Survival Guide by Lisa Stardust Dreaming the Soul Back Home by Robert Moss The Rest:  Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

    1 h 6 min

  7. 13 JANV.

    S3 E2: Polyamory Works for Me, as Long as It’s for Me, with Delphine

    In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, host Jessie Sage talks with Delphine, a full-service sex worker from the San Francisco Bay Area, about polyamory, non-monogamy, and balancing work with personal life. Delphine, who identifies as solo poly, shares how her approach to relationships emphasizes autonomy, personal growth, and creative expression. The conversation explores the challenges of dating as a sex worker, navigating societal expectations, and maintaining non-hierarchical dynamics in relationships. Delphine also reflects on how her work has enabled her to pursue passions like becoming a yoga teacher. The episode encourages listeners to rethink societal norms around relationships while celebrating the autonomy and individuality of sex workers. In this Episode:  00:03:00: Upcoming Episode and Guest Introduction   00:05:02: Delphine Discusses Relationships in Sex Work   00:09:28: Flexibility and Opportunities Provided by Sex Work   00:13:04: Navigating Polyamory as a Sex Worker   00:14:59: Delphine's Journey to Solo Polyamory   00:22:55: Balancing Work and Personal Life   00:24:06: Differences Between Client and Personal Relationships   00:31:07: Black Venom Digital Sponsorship   00:34:17: Societal Challenges of Non-Hierarchical Relationships   00:36:03: Importance of Autonomy in Relationships   00:39:22: Delphine's Introduction to Polyamory   00:48:33: Challenges of Managing Multiple Relationships   00:51:58: Concerns About Stigma and Whorephobia   00:54:03: Microaggressions in Polyamorous Communities   00:58:01: Where to Find Delphine Online   Guest: Delphine is a hairy, all natural escort based in the SF Bay Area. She loves engineering creative photo shoots, reading/watching science fiction (especially dystopians), and making fantasies come to life. She has been in the adult industry in various forms for about 15 years, and has been doing full service sex work as Delphine for the last 7.5 years.  She considers her 870+ day Duolingo streak to be one of her greatest achievements in life. An AI bot once described her as "a digital darling serving sass with a side of self-awareness and dad jokes" and that sounds about right. Website: yourmusedelphine.com X: @delphine_x Bluesky: @delphine.bsky.social Recommendation: Podcast: Reddit on Wiki Podcast  The Rest:  Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

    59 min
  8. S3 E1: Men at Work: The Trans Masc Experience in Sex Work with Jack Parker

    6 JANV.

    S3 E1: Men at Work: The Trans Masc Experience in Sex Work with Jack Parker

    In this conversation, Jessie Sage interviews Jack Parker, a writer and sex worker, about his experiences and the creation of the anthology Working Guys: A Transmasculine Sex Worker Anthology, which features stories from transmasculine sex workers. They discuss the diverse experiences within sex work, the importance of representation, and the impact of the anthology on the community. In this Episode: 00:03: Introduction to When We're Not Hustling Podcast 01:27: Exploring Lives of Sex Workers Beyond Work 02:44: Season 3 Updates & Schedule Changes 03:09: Rebranding of After Parties to After the Hustle 03:20: Jack Parker's Interview & Anthology Discussion 05:10: Jack Parker's Background & Writing Career 06:18: Discussing Writing & Sex Work Experiences 08:05: Jack's Anthology: Working Guys and Its Impact 14:11: Challenges and Realizations in Publishing the Anthology 28:39: Jack's Transition and Changes in Client Dynamics Guest: Jack Parker is a sex worker and writer who writes on topics around sex work. He also has experiences as a peer support for sex workers, and has provided training programs on how best to support sex workers.  You can find Jack: Website: jackviolet.com X: @MxJackParker Bluesky: @MxJackParker.bsky.social Recommendation: Book: Chav Solidarity by DP Hunter Podcast:  Sherlock & Co Podcast The Rest:  Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

    1 h 6 min
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When We’re Not Hustling is a twice-monthly podcast that explores the lives and identities of sex workers outside our personas. Each episode features a long-form interview with a sex worker, where we talk about everything but work: personal philosophies, ambitions, family, relationships, passions, hobbies, mental and physical health, identity, spirituality, meaning-making, and more. On this show, we learn who sex workers are outside of the work they are known for. When We’re Not Hustling is an exploration of the people behind the fantasies.

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