Scrappy ABM

Mason Cosby

Welcome to Scrappy ABM – your source for groundbreaking approaches to ABM that don't break the bank. ABM shouldn't cost $200K in technology to even get started. If you want to get started with ABM or make your program better without a massive budget, you're in the right place. Each week, you'll hear from some of the brightest minds in the marketing world who are redefining ABM, achieving incredible results with untraditional methods, limited resources, and a whole lot of creativity. This isn't a show about how much you can spend on fancy tech or overhyped tools. Instead, it's about celebrating creative problem-solving and the scrappiness it takes to get ABM right. We'll dive into how these marketing leaders built robust ABM strategies with limited resources, revealing the actionable insights that led to their biggest wins. So, if you're a marketer ready to challenge the status quo, or an entrepreneur looking to scale your business through efficient and effective marketing strategies, Scrappy ABM is the show for you. Get ready to discover ABM strategies that are lean, impactful, and utterly transformative. Remember, it's not about the budget, it's about the mindset. Let's get scrappy!

  1. 1 天前

    Make the Process the Accelerator, Not the Tool (with Josh Gainey) | Ep. 203

    SDR teams that were well fed by inbound are now shifting from qualification to outbound prospecting. On Scrappy ABM, host Mason Cosby sits down with Josh Gainey, the Go Market lead over at Kasm Technologies, to break down a practical outbound playbook: start with the right SDR hire profile, define who not to target, and align on an A / C / F grading scale that everyone—SDR and AE—buys into. Josh unpacks “freedom within a framework,” why the process should be the accelerator, not the tool, and how a simple rhythm across LinkedIn, Sales Navigator, ZoomInfo, Outreach, and Salesforce can book the right meetings without burning accounts. From first messages that hit the top three points to moving fast from LinkedIn to calendar, proof of concept momentum, and becoming a manager of managers, this conversation lays out what was awesome, what was hard, and the lessons teams can apply—whether inbound or outbound. 👤 Guest BioJosh Gainey is the Go Market lead over at Kasm Technologies. Before Kasm Technologies, he built a fantastic outbound program over at Authenticate and scaled from two or three SDRs—where he was one of them—to leading a team of 25 to 30 SDRs in two and a half years. Josh is active on LinkedIn and there every day. 📌 What We CoverWhy the right SDR hire profile matters before calling anybody—and finding people willing to do hard workUsing negative attributes to decide who not to target and prevent AE distrustThe A / C / F grading model: titles, size, industry, engagement, budget, workflow, multiple team members, and proof of conceptGetting AE buy-in so “everybody did their job” and mapping grades in the CRM to closed-won, deal cycle, and deal sizeChannel mix kept simple: LinkedIn first, plus ZoomInfo, Outreach, Salesforce, and Sales Navigator—manual over automation“Process be the accelerator, not the tool” and why scaling what doesn’t work burns accounts in cybersecurityFirst-message approach: straightforward, a little personalized, and the top three points (e.g., dark web access, off-network special web access, managed attribution)Moving fast from interest to work email to calendar invite, and confirming 24 hours beforeMeasuring success: more A meetings, enterprise opportunities, and onboarding ramp speedPromotions and morale: SDR paths to renewals, account executive, and account managementUnexpected roadblocks: shifting into a manager of managers, attrition, and tying compensation to performanceStakeholder buy-in beyond sales: bring in product managers, engineering, CSAM, and the head of sales for executive exposure and culture building 🔗 Resources MentionedLinkedInSales NavigatorZoomInfoOutreachSalesforceAuthenticateKasm TechnologiesScrappy ABM: Visit for more ABM tips and strategies.Connect with Mason on LinkedIn for a conversation about ABM If you enjoyed today’s episode and found valuable insights for your business, be sure to subscribe to the Scrappy ABM podcast for more expert discussions. Don’t forget to leave a review and share this episode with your team or fellow marketers!

    26 分鐘
  2. 4 天前

    Shockingly honest lessons: contractors, W2s, and turning down six–seven million | Ep. 202

    Scrappy ABM host Mason Cosby sits down with Nick Bennett on 1,000 Routes and tells the story behind a “little teeny tiny side hustle” that became “sold a million bucks” and then “another million” within months. Starting with a $25,000 win in March 2023 and a $150,000 deal that “backed out,” Mason lays out “project revenue,” the activation playbook, an $80,000 annual contract, and why “less is more” with “two service lines.” It’s all inbound from LinkedIn and a podcast, plus “speaking engagements,” saying yes to interviews, and an “absurd number of webinars”—including 60 podcast interviews and 18 webinars in ~60 days that created over $2 million in pipeline. He gets “shockingly honest” about 120 hour weeks, a postpartum spouse editing podcasts, firing seven contractors, moving to W2s, and then learning seasonality and sales cycles. Mason explains why a debt free approach matters, how he’s scaling out for a two-month paternity leave, and why he turned down six to seven million to stay focused on a mission: equip a million marketers with repeatable account-based playbooks by January 2035. Nick Bennett — host of 1,000 Routes. In this conversation, Nick steers the candid discussion on solopreneurship, scaling, contractors vs. W2, and the shift from “Mason the marketer” to “Mason the CEO.” 📌 What We CoverFrom “little teeny tiny side hustle” to “I think I have a business”: $25K in March ’23, a $150K deal that “backed out,” and stacking project revenue with one $80K annual contract.Why “less is more”: from 16 service lines to two service lines that are “way easier to sell.”All inbound: LinkedIn, a podcast, “speaking engagements,” saying yes to podcasts, networking calls, and an “absurd number of webinars.”Buying back time: hiring a contractor at $70/hr, “bought back 65 hours,” and discovering margin without doing the delivery.Contractors vs. W2: “shockingly honest” lessons, firing seven people, then learning seasonality, fixed costs, and building a bench of professional contractors.Scaling out of delivery and most selling: hiring an AE, a COO, and “four specialists” per client so the team “does it better than me.”Pipeline swings and seasonality: 60 podcast interviews + 18 webinars → over $2M in pipeline as H2 budgets open.Mission over exit: turning down six–seven million, staying debt free, and the goal to equip a million marketers by January 2035. 🔗 Resources Mentioned1,000 RoutesDave Ramsey / Ramsey Solutions (“baby steps,” “Ramsey guy”)System & Soul (business operating framework)EOS (operating system reference)Acquisition.com workshopC12 (Christian business leaders group)Terminus (AE experience referenced)Create your next digital offer: https://harnessandhone.com/Join How Solos Scale: https://www.howsolosscale.com/Download the free roadmap: https://fullstacksoloroadmap.com/Scrappy ABM: Visit for more ABM tips and strategies.Connect with Mason on LinkedIn for a conversation about ABM If you enjoyed today’s episode and found valuable insights for your business, be sure to subscribe to the Scrappy ABM podcast for more expert discussions. Don’t forget to leave a review and share this episode with your team or fellow marketers!

    45 分鐘
  3. 9月4日

    Why High-Spend Customers Hold the Key to Growth (with Katie Yagodnik) | Ep. 201

    Scrappy ABM brings practical playbooks that don’t break the bank. In this episode, host Mason Cosby sits down with Katie Yagodnik, founder of SFE Advisors, to focus on one of the most underutilized areas of revenue growth: the post-sales experience. While much of the market obsesses over CAC, Katie and Mason unpack the power of net revenue retention and why customer journeys after the sale are where long-term value is created. From segmentation strategies and digital adoption to habit formation and personalization, Katie shares how data, milestones, and feedback loops transform customer relationships. The conversation shows exactly how mapping behaviors and empowering users at the right moments leads to retention, expansion, and exponential growth. 👤 Guest Bio Katie Yagodnik is the founder of SFE Advisors, helping companies grow after the sale. With 20+ years in customer success, sales, operations, and growth, Katie is a post-sales strategist recognized as a Totango Hero and Monster.com alum. At SFE Advisors, she specializes in building customer journeys that drive retention, expansion, and long-term revenue impact. 📌 What We Cover Why focusing on net revenue retention matters more than acquisition costsCustomer segmentation based on spend, size, and adoption for post-sale successMapping milestones across implementation, training, adoption, renewal, and expansionTurning customer communications into a data-driven framework for personalizationCreating personas for executives, admins, end users, managers, and technical stakeholdersDistribution channels that work: email cadences, LMS, office hours, knowledge base, and success squadsMeasuring success through open rates, activity tracking, and behavioral benchmarksLessons learned: reducing email overload, proving program results, and iterating based on data 🔗 Resources Mentioned Katie Yagodnik on LinkedInSFE AdvisorsScrappy ABM: Visit for more ABM tips and strategies.Connect with Mason Cosby for a conversation about ABM. If you enjoyed today's episode and found valuable insights for your business, be sure to subscribe to the Scrappy ABM podcast for more expert discussions. Don't forget to leave a review and share this episode with your team or fellow marketers!

    22 分鐘
  4. 9月1日

    AI in ABM: Data, Distribution, Destination, and Direction | Ep. 200

    Scrappy ABM is all about practical playbooks that don’t break the bank. In this special repurposed episode, host Mason Cosby shares his conversation from the Human-First AI Marketing Podcast by Avenue9 with Mike Montague. Together, they explore how account-based marketing is evolving in the age of AI. Mason breaks down his four-part framework—data, distribution, destination, and direction—and shows how artificial intelligence fits into each category. From identifying the best customers through firmographics and profitability reports, to analyzing transcripts with tools like Fathom, to training AI for authentic content creation, Mason highlights where AI helps and where it falls short. This conversation also emphasizes the irreplaceable role of human connection, the need for intentional strategy, and the importance of aligning marketing, sales, and customer success teams around best-fit accounts. 📌 What We CoverThe four-part ABM framework: data, distribution, destination, and directionHow tools like ChatGPT and Fathom improve client profiling and objection trackingWhy AI-generated distribution can fail without accurate targetingThe difference between training AI like a tool versus like a team memberThe role of in-person events as a conversion point in ABM programsHow “digital fatigue” and AI at scale impact personalization strategiesThe definition of ABM as a revenue strategy aligned around best customersWhy B2B buying committees involve 8–14 people and what that means for contentThe challenges of long, complex buying cycles and seasonal decision-makingThe balance of AI efficiency with human review to prevent irrelevant outreach 🔗 Resources MentionedScrappy ABMMason Cosby on LinkedInMike Montague on LinkedInAvenue9Fathom (AI transcript tool)Superhuman (AI email tool)Scrappy ABM: Visit for more ABM tips and strategies. (ScrappyABM.com)Connect with Mason on LinkedIn for a conversation about ABM (Mason Cosby) If you enjoyed today's episode and found valuable insights for your business, be sure to subscribe to the Scrappy ABM podcast for more expert discussions. Don't forget to leave a review and share this episode with your team or fellow marketers!

    33 分鐘
  5. 8月28日

    The Seven Playbooks for Account-Based RevOps Success | Ep. 199

    On this episode of Scrappy ABM, host Mason Cosby welcomes Galen Dow, founder of BrandGen and the first Elite tier HubSpot agency, New Breed. The conversation tackles one of the most common challenges for revenue leaders: how to run effective account-based advertising without draining budget on massive, expensive platforms. Galen shares the genesis of BrandGen and how it enables organizations to connect HubSpot with open web advertising, programmatic campaigns, and even connected TV—without software fees. Together, Mason and Galen explore the concept of account-based RevOps, the seven playbooks for ABM execution, and how to empower sales teams with direct control of campaigns. The discussion highlights practical strategies for orchestrating omnichannel touches, measuring engagement, and aligning marketing and sales to accelerate pipeline growth. 👤 Guest Bio Galen Dow is the founder of BrandGen and previously founded New Breed, the first Elite tier HubSpot agency. With deep expertise in account-based marketing and revenue operations, Galen focuses on helping companies implement cost-effective account-based advertising by connecting HubSpot CRM and marketing automation with open web and programmatic advertising. 📌 What We Cover The limitations of expensive ABM platforms and the genesis of BrandGenWhy intent data and contact enrichment often block smaller companies from scalingThe concept of account-based RevOps and how it aligns marketing, sales, and serviceSeven account-based playbooks, including land and expand and blended account-based approachesUsing open web and connected TV advertising as cost-effective alternatives to walled gardensHow BrandGen integrates with HubSpot for campaign activation, workflows, and rep-level controlOrchestrating omnichannel touches to stand out in a crowded, AI-driven landscapeThe challenge of measuring ABM success and why BrandGen compares to trade show presence 🔗 Resources Mentioned BrandGen.ioGalen Dow on LinkedInScrappy ABM: Visit for more ABM tips and strategiesConnect with Mason Cosby for a conversation about ABM If you enjoyed today’s episode and found valuable insights for your business, be sure to subscribe to the Scrappy ABM podcast for more expert discussions. Don’t forget to leave a review and share this episode with your team or fellow marketers!

    21 分鐘
  6. 8月25日

    Why Sales Thinks Marketing is Useless | Ep. 198

    If you’ve ever walked into a meeting with sales, presented a flawless marketing plan, and left with nothing but frustration, you’re not alone. On this episode of Scrappy ABM, host Mason Cosby reveals the five biggest reasons sales teams won’t buy into marketing programs—and what to do about it. From definitions that don’t match up, to time horizons that clash, to calendars that feel empty or overwhelming, Mason explains how small misalignments create major breakdowns in trust. He also walks through the reality of seasonality, why pipeline timing matters, and how compensation structures can make alignment almost impossible. This is a blunt, practical breakdown of what really drives the disconnect between marketers and sales—and how to fix it before your next big plan gets ignored. 📌 What We CoverHow miscommunication over basic terms like “lead,” “MQL,” and “opportunity” destroys trustWhy marketers think in months and years, while sales lives in days, weeks, and quartersThe difference between an empty calendar for marketers versus sellers—and what it signalsHow seasonality shapes when sales teams will and won’t buy into your programsWhy sales compensation structures can make collaboration impossibleThe starting point Mason recommends for solving alignment issues 🔗 Resources MentionedScrappy ABM: Visit ScrappyABM.com for more ABM tips and strategiesConnect with Mason on LinkedIn for a conversation about ABM If you enjoyed today's episode and found valuable insights for your business, be sure to subscribe to the Scrappy ABM podcast for more expert discussions. Don't forget to leave a review and share this episode with your team or fellow marketers!

    12 分鐘
  7. 8月21日

    Why the Biggest Logos Don’t Mean the Best Accounts (with Leslie Venetz) | Ep. 197

    Scrappy ABM, hosted by Mason Cosby, welcomes bestselling author Leslie Venetz, who wrote Profit Generating Pipeline. Together they break down what it really means to find and grow your most profitable customers. Leslie challenges the mindset of chasing “cheapest” or “biggest” customers, showing why renewal, upsell, and long-term partnerships define true profitability. Drawing on her background in service-based and SaaS sales, she explains why sales and marketing teams must shift from quick wins to sustainable relationships. This conversation covers how to fix the marketing-to-sales handoff, why MQLs often miss the mark, and what it takes to operationalize personalization at scale. With practical strategies on ICP clarity, segmentation, and industry-specific campaigns, Leslie and Mason reveal how to move from spray-and-pray tactics to revenue strategies that actually work. 👤 Guest BioLeslie Venetz is the author of Profit Generating Pipeline and a USA Today bestselling author recognized as the 2024 Sales Innovator of the Year. With a career spanning service-based and SaaS sales, Leslie built her philosophy around full-cycle accountability, customer retention, and the belief that sellers must “earn the right” to their buyer’s attention. She shares daily insights on LinkedIn and can be found at salesledgtm.com/book. 📌 What We CoverWhy “cheapest customers” are rarely the most profitableThe difference between chasing big logos and finding the right accountsHow renewal, upsell, and cross-sell drive long-term revenueLessons from service-based sales and full-cycle account managementWhy MQL processes often break down and how to fix themThe dangers of disingenuous contact-level personalizationLeslie’s three-step approach to segmentation and value prop developmentHow industry-specific campaigns create credibility and trustWhy the biggest logos aren’t always the best accounts for ABM programsThe type of content sales actually needs from marketing 🔗 Resources MentionedProfit Generating Pipeline by Leslie VenetzLeslie Venetz on LinkedInScrappy ABM: Visit for more ABM tips and strategies.Connect with Mason on LinkedIn for a conversation about ABM. If you enjoyed today’s episode and found valuable insights for your business, be sure to subscribe to the Scrappy ABM podcast for more expert discussions. Don’t forget to leave a review and share this episode with your team or fellow marketers!

    26 分鐘
  8. 8月18日

    ABM Retrospective: The Good, the Bad, and the Pipeline | Ep. 196

    ABM is a trust engine, but building it right takes patience, sponsorship, and more groundwork than most expect. In this live episode of Scrappy ABM, host Mason Cosby sits down with Ryan Gunn and Amanda “Chuck” Palmarchuk for a full retrospective on an ambitious ABM program launched in late 2020. Together, they revisit a program that started with $0 pipeline after six months and ultimately influenced $7M within 18 months. They unpack what worked — executive sponsorship, a sharply defined target account list, and tightly documented operations — and where they’d hit rewind: overinvesting in tech, misaligned expectations, and the pain of forcing MQLs into a sales pipeline. Whether you’re building ABM from scratch, stuck in the middle, or scaling with momentum, this conversation reveals both the early signals that matter and the long-game reality required to see real impact. 👤 Guest BiosRyan Gunn is the founder of Attribution Academy, an education platform helping HubSpot users learn how to tie marketing activity to revenue. He’s known for demystifying marketing attribution and helping teams prove their impact. Amanda “Chuck” Palmarchuk is Head of Strategy at Scrappy ABM, with nearly two decades in marketing and seven years specializing exclusively in account-based marketing. She’s helped organizations at all stages — from building ABM programs from scratch to refining them for revenue impact. 📌 What We CoverThe core truth of ABM: awareness first, trust alwaysBreaking into a new market segment without existing relationshipsWhy executive sponsorship and consultant authority shaped successBuilding a tight, tiered target account list (~200 accounts total)How mind mapping and workflow planning prevented ops breakdownsThe cost of overinvesting in tech before strategy is provenResetting unrealistic expectations when early pipeline is slowMeasuring influence and account penetration alongside revenueRecognizing seasonality and its role in pipeline timingLessons for aligning sales and marketing without creating friction 🔗 Resources MentionedScrappy ABM — Visit for more ABM tips and strategiesConnect with Mason on LinkedIn for a conversation about ABM If you enjoyed today's episode and found valuable insights for your business, be sure to subscribe to the Scrappy ABM podcast for more expert discussions. Don't forget to leave a review and share this episode with your team or fellow marketers!

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Welcome to Scrappy ABM – your source for groundbreaking approaches to ABM that don't break the bank. ABM shouldn't cost $200K in technology to even get started. If you want to get started with ABM or make your program better without a massive budget, you're in the right place. Each week, you'll hear from some of the brightest minds in the marketing world who are redefining ABM, achieving incredible results with untraditional methods, limited resources, and a whole lot of creativity. This isn't a show about how much you can spend on fancy tech or overhyped tools. Instead, it's about celebrating creative problem-solving and the scrappiness it takes to get ABM right. We'll dive into how these marketing leaders built robust ABM strategies with limited resources, revealing the actionable insights that led to their biggest wins. So, if you're a marketer ready to challenge the status quo, or an entrepreneur looking to scale your business through efficient and effective marketing strategies, Scrappy ABM is the show for you. Get ready to discover ABM strategies that are lean, impactful, and utterly transformative. Remember, it's not about the budget, it's about the mindset. Let's get scrappy!

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