Startups For the Rest of Us

Rob Walling
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Startups For the Rest of Us

The original podcast for bootstrapped and mostly bootstrapped startups, this show follow the stories of founders as they start, acquire, and grow SaaS companies. Hear when they fail, struggle, succeed, and take you with them through the tumultuous life of a SaaS founder. If you like Mixergy, This Week in Startups, or SaaStr, you’ll enjoy Startup for the Rest of Us.

  1. 4D AGO

    Episode 775 | A.I. Coding Tools, User Experience, Racking Your Own Servers, and More Listener Questions (with Derrick Reimer)

    What shortcuts are actually worth taking when you're building a SaaS? In this episode, Rob Walling and fan favorite Derrick Reimer delve into listener questions about startup development. They discuss the impact of AI coding tools on building minimum viable products (MVPs) and the importance of user experience (UX) with advice on balancing UX investment based on the product's nature.  You’ll also hear a breakdown of the real costs of leaving the cloud, plus tips on email deliverability and validation. Throughout, they highlight how validating ideas through user feedback and research is still critical, no matter how fast you build. Episode Sponsor: This podcast is brought to you by Mercury. I've been banking with Mercury for years and whenever I set up a new account, I'm reminded why traditional banking feels stuck in the past.  When our previous bank faced solvency issues, we needed to spin up new accounts quickly that could handle millions in funds across multiple businesses. Mercury had us up and running almost immediately. I manage half a dozen different Mercury accounts across a wide range of companies – from my personal, single-member LLC to MicroConf, our 7-figure global events and education platform, to TinySeed, our venture fund and accelerator. Mercury easily handles them all. The interface is elegantly simple for daily banking, paying invoices, and sending and receiving international wires, yet powerful enough to handle the multi-step approval processes we needed to put in place when funding founders with large transfers.  Anytime founders ask me who they should set up their accounts with, I send them to mercury.com. Mercury is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services provided through Choice Financial Group, Column N.A., and Evolve Bank & Trust; Members FDIC. Topics we cover:  (4:55) – How AI coding tools are changing the MVP timeline (16:11) – When UX design actually matters (and when it doesn’t) (23:47) – Should you ditch cloud hosting for your own servers? (32:38) – Pro tips on email deliverability and keeping out of spam folders Links from the Show:  SaaS Launchpad Course MicroConf Remote | May 21, 2025 Windsurf AI Editor SavvyCal Derrick Reimer | LinkedIn Derrick Reimer (@derrickreimer) | X If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

    54 min

  2. MAY 13

    Episode 774 | How a Non-Technical Founder Bootstrapped to Millions in Revenue

    In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Noah Tucker, the non-technical founder behind Social Snowball, an affiliate marketing SaaS built for Shopify. Noah bootstrapped the company to $5M+ in ARR, navigating technical roadblocks, team-building hurdles, and a crumbling codebase, while leveraging bold growth tactics like influencer partnerships to scale fast. Topics we cover:  (3:26) – Spotting the gap in affiliate tools for creators (7:09) – The agency MVP failure and early dev misfires (11:15) – Losing a CTO to priesthood  (16:33) – How influencer partnerships fueled fast early growth (30:12) – Hiring a world-class CTO and engineering team Links from the Show:  Discretion Capital MicroConf Remote | May 21, 2025 TinySeed Noah Tucker | LinkedIn Noah Tucker (@noatuck) | X If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

    37 min

  3. MAY 6

    Episode 773 | How to Find Your Early Customer Profile (ECP)

    In this episode, Rob Walling and Maja Voje, author of Go to Market Strategist, dive into early customer profiles (ECPs) and why they matter more than ideal customer profiles (ICPs) early on. They explore practical, scrappy marketing tactics for B2B SaaS founders and share real-world advice on customer acquisition, community building, and staying authentic while growing. Episode Sponsor: This podcast is brought to you by Mercury. I've been banking with Mercury for years and whenever I set up a new account, I'm reminded why traditional banking feels stuck in the past.  When our previous bank faced solvency issues, we needed to spin up new accounts quickly that could handle millions in funds across multiple businesses. Mercury had us up and running almost immediately. I manage half a dozen different Mercury accounts across a wide range of companies – from my personal, single-member LLC to MicroConf, our 7-figure global events and education platform, to TinySeed, our venture fund and accelerator. Mercury easily handles them all. The interface is elegantly simple for daily banking, paying invoices, and sending and receiving international wires, yet powerful enough to handle the multi-step approval processes we needed to put in place when funding founders with large transfers.  Anytime founders ask me who they should set up their accounts with, I send them to mercury.com. Mercury is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services provided through Choice Financial Group, Column N.A., and Evolve Bank & Trust; Members FDIC. Topics we cover:  (3:02) – What Go-to-Market actually means for bootstrapped founders (7:14) – Early Customer Profile (ECP) vs. Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) (10:30) – Common mistakes founders make when choosing their ECP (13:48) – Real-world B2B SaaS examples of successful ECP launches (18:29) – Why GTM actions must come before GTM motions for scrappy startups (21:52) – Warm outreach and fishing in the right forums: practical tactics for early traction Links from the Show:  MicroConf Growth Retreat | London, UK - May 14-16, 2025 Invest in TinySeed Maja Voje | LinkedIn GTM Strategist Go-To-Market Strategist: (Maja's book) If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

    30 min

  4. APR 29

    Episode 772 | A Highly Effective Framework for SaaS Positioning

    How do you position your SaaS for success? In episode 772, Rob Walling talks with Anthony Pierri of Fletch about a proven approach to product positioning. They discuss key lessons from 400+ startups, focusing on workflows, competitive alternatives, and why narrowing your audience matters. Topics we cover:  (6:59)  – What is positioning, really? (11:16)  – Why your homepage matters more than your pitch deck (14:17) – Workflow-based segmentation vs. firmographics (17:39) – Positioning against competitive alternatives (31:13) – The #1 mistake founders make with positioning Links from the Show: MicroConf Growth Retreat | London, UK - May 14-16, 2025 Invest in TinySeed Get Access to Anthony’s MicroConf New Orleans Talk Anthony Pierri (@anthonypierri) | LinkedIn Anthony Pierri (@apierriPMM) | X Fletch If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

    35 min

  5. APR 22

    Episode 771 | What Changes As You Grow, AI Agents, Patents, and More Listener Questions (with Craig Hewitt)

    Can SaaS companies survive the rise of AI Agents? In episode 771, Rob Walling is joined by Craig Hewitt to answer listener questions. They discuss the changes that happen while transitioning from a small startup to a multi-million dollar SaaS, competing against larger competitors, and maintaining startup culture as teams grow. They also share thoughts on AI agents in the SaaS space and the relevance of patents for bootstrapped businesses. Episode Sponsor: This podcast is brought to you by Mercury. I've been banking with Mercury for years and whenever I set up a new account, I'm reminded why traditional banking feels stuck in the past.  When our previous bank faced solvency issues, we needed to spin up new accounts quickly that could handle millions in funds across multiple businesses. Mercury had us up and running almost immediately. I manage half a dozen different Mercury accounts across a wide range of companies – from my personal, single-member LLC to MicroConf, our 7-figure global events and education platform, to TinySeed, our venture fund and accelerator. Mercury easily handles them all. The interface is elegantly simple for daily banking, paying invoices, and sending and receiving international wires, yet powerful enough to handle the multi-step approval processes we needed to put in place when funding founders with large transfers.  Anytime founders ask me who they should set up their accounts with, I send them to mercury.com. Mercury is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services provided through Choice Financial Group, Column N.A., and Evolve Bank & Trust; Members FDIC. Topics we cover:  (2:41) – Marketing and sales strategies while scaling (9:31) – Keeping the startup culture through growth (14:50) – Can SaaS survive autonomous agents? (21:03) – AI wrapper tools (25:15) – Patent strategy for startups (29:30) – Competing against VC-backed companies Links from the Show:  MicroConf Remote: Early-Stage SaaS Sales Invest in TinySeed Craig Hewitt (@TheCraigHewitt) | X Craig Hewitt (@craighewitt.com) | Bluesky Rouge Startups Castos Omar Zenhom Omar Zenhom’s MicroConf Talk AI Agents vs SaaS - Who Wins the Future of Software? Episode 542 | 10x in Two Years, Past $3M ARR with SquadCast If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your quest...

    39 min

  6. APR 15

    Episode 770 | Revenue vs. Profit, Asking for Permission, and Mike Tyson (A Rob Solo Adventure)

    Is it more important for entrepreneurs to focus on revenue or profit? In episode 770, Rob Walling goes solo to explore the relationship between revenue and profit in SaaS, and the dangers of waiting for permission. He also draws inspiration from Mike Tyson’s work ethic and George Lucas’ visionary mindset to encourage entrepreneurs to push through obstacles and innovate. Topics we cover:  (2:41) – MRR versus ARR (8:04) – Don’t ask for permission, don’t give in to defeatism (14:38) – Inventing to pursue novel visions (18:48) – Mike Tyson’s training regimen  (20:48) – You don’t need to be the best in the world Links from the Show:  MicroConf Growth Retreat Discretion Capital Email Einar Rob Walling (@robwalling) | X Rob Walling | LinkedIn If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

    25 min

  7. APR 8

    Episode 769 | Key Insights from MicroConf 2025 in New Orleans

    Did you miss out on MicroConf US in New Orleans? In episode 769, Rob Walling welcomes Derrick Reimer back to share highlights from MicroConf New Orleans. They dive into the event's vibrant atmosphere, standout founder talks, and the energizing mix of new and familiar faces that made this gathering in the Big Easy truly special. Topics we cover:  (1:40) – MicroConf New Orleans audience breakdown (5:50) – Upcoming MicroConf events (9:05) – 5 Lessons That Exits Teach Us About Running Our Business (12:35) – Anthony Pierri’s talk about homepage positioning (15:16) – 4 New Orleans excursions (17:17) – Talks on copywriting, pricing, and LinkedIn outreach (25:57) – Reviewing attendee feedback Links from the Show:  MicroConf Connect Applications Open Until April 9th MicroConf Growth Retreat MicroConf Europe 2025 MicroConf Remote Exit Strategy by Sherry Walling, PhD & Rob Walling Derrick Reimer (@derrickreimer) | X Derrick Reimer(@derrickreimer.com) | Bluesky SavvyCal Episode 737 | Key Takeaways from MicroConf Europe 2024 (With Derrick Reimer) Anthony Pierri (@apierriPMM) | X Lianna Patch (@punchlinecopy.com) | Bluesky Street Pricing by Marcos Rivera Episode 765 | TinySeed Tales s4e9: Making the hardest decision If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We’d love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

    31 min

  8. APR 1

    Episode 768 | Reacting to Controversial Startup Advice

    Do you disagree with any of these controversial takes about bootstrapping? In episode 768, Rob Walling unpacks a series of semi-controversial beliefs about bootstrapping from ScrapingBee’s Pierre de Wulf. Rob evaluates each point from Pierre's tweet, discussing topics like rebranding your SaaS, the hidden problem of affiliate marketing, and the realities of scaling a SaaS business. Topics we cover:  (1:21) – Pierre’s semi-controversial bootstrapping beliefs  (4:35) – Don’t waste time on a rebrand (7:24) – No one cares about your domain extension    (9:06) – Affiliate marketing won’t fix your acquisition issues (11:51) – There is no silver bullet for growth (13:42) – Copy what works best (14:59) – Double down on acquisition channels that work (16:53) – Hire specialists (19:34) – Never offer a plan with unlimited features (20:22) – Don’t offer a cheap plan if you can’t support it (20:47) – Don’t add social logins to your signup page (21:27) – Read competitors’ reviews several times a year (21:59) – $10k MRR doesn’t guarantee $100k MRR (22:28) – You will get copied if you share success (23:02) – “Build this feature…” (24:10) – The Mom Test (24:56) – Provide value for your target demographic for free (25:47) – Don’t overthink Product Hunt (26:00) – You’ll never sell your SaaS for 10x Links from the Show:  MicroConf Growth Retreat in London Rob Walling (@robwalling) | X Pierre de Wulf (@PierreDeWulf) | X ScrapingBee (@ScrapingBee) | X ScrapingBee Pierre’s semi-controversial bootstrapping beliefs TinySeed Rob Walling.com Rob Walling | LinkedIn SaaS Institute Exit Strategy by Sherry Walling, PhD & Rob Walling Episode 705 | From Bootstrapped to Mostly Bootstrapped to Venture Backed The Mom Test by Rob Fitzpatrick Deploy Empathy by Michele Hansen The SaaS Playbook by Rob Walling If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you’d like for us to cover, please submit your questi...

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The original podcast for bootstrapped and mostly bootstrapped startups, this show follow the stories of founders as they start, acquire, and grow SaaS companies. Hear when they fail, struggle, succeed, and take you with them through the tumultuous life of a SaaS founder. If you like Mixergy, This Week in Startups, or SaaStr, you’ll enjoy Startup for the Rest of Us.

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  • Creator
    Rob Walling
  • Years Active
    2010 - 2025
  • Episodes
    329
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2023 Startups For the Rest of Us
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