JAN 6

The Poetics of Grief with Hala Alyan

This week we are joined by Hala Alyan, a Palestinian-American writer, poet, and clinical psychologist, who is also a professor at NYU. A specialist in trauma and cross-cultural identity, and the author of the award-winning novel Salt Houses, as well as four collections of poetry, including The Moon that Turns You Back (2024), Hala brings her expertise as a psychologist and a writer to talk about bearing witness to genocide, and the fatigue, anger and repetition that accompanies the grief of witnessing. She also reads poetry for us, and speaks openly about her own personal vulnerabilities and struggles as she considers how poetry as a form can activate connection by reaching across time and cultures, while saying what cannot be said, and what will not be heard.

54 min

12/23/2024

Holiday Feelings

Karen and Megan record their first holiday special, and themselves get caught off-guard by some of their own holiday feelings, including the confluence of grief and joy. Karen opens up about the difficulty of Christmas this year, as well as in years past because it was her grandmother's favorite holiday. Megan talks about seeing the holidays anew through the eyes of her two young children. They also offer words of advice about what's worked for them in the past to calm the holiday overload.

37 min

11/25/2024

Grief Groups & Finding Your Place with Japhena Kay

Bereavement facilitator, author, and host of the podcast Good Mourning Today, Japhena Kay, joins us for a candid conversation about losing her son Chase to suicide, while animating her processes of grief that have evolved and transformed in the years since. She and Megan met in a grief group specifically for those who’ve lost their loved ones to suicide, and they both reflect on the meaningfulness of that experience, especially while combatting the silence and stigma related to death by suicide.

37 min

11/18/2024

Finding the Words with Colin Campbell

In June 2019, Colin Campbell and his wife Gail Lerner lost both of their children, Ruby and Hart when a drunk driver hit their car and changed a pleasant family outing into the worst day imaginable. Megan and Karen invite Colin to discuss the book he wrote in the wake of that tragedy, Finding the Words: Working Through Profound Loss with Hope and Purpose, which offers an honest account of his journey, while providing guidance and practical tools for others going through similar experiences.

57 min

11/08/2024

Post-Election Special

Megan and Karen check in with each other after the 2024 election, and discuss their own range of emotional responses, including grief, anger, and even a sense of tragicomedy. They also offer some thoughts around how to take care of yourselves and others during this intense, confrontational and difficult time.

28 min

11/05/2024

A “Voice Stained with Grief”: Writing After Loss with Regina N. Bradley

This week we are joined by Dr. Regina N. Bradley, a prominent public voice on contemporary southern Black life and hip hop culture, who is the author of the widely-acclaimed book, Chronicling Stankonia: the Rise of the Hip-Hop South. Dr. Bradley candidly talks about her efforts to heal and return to a daily practice of writing, after the trauma of her grandmother’s murder at the hands of another family member two years ago. She opens up about the variations of grief she’s experienced since then, while talking about how her social, and academic, professional world sometimes come at odds with her journey to healing.

57 min

10/28/2024

Visualizing Grief with Cherine Fahd

Globally renowned artist Cherine Fahd joins us to talk about the role photography plays in visualizing grief. Based in Australia, her own photographic work and writing not only celebrate the communities around her and their public lives, but delves deeply into what is more difficult to see and say, from family mourning as its captured in private photo archives, to death by suicide and the efforts to de-stigmatize infant loss through photography. In our conversation we explore, in Cherine’s words, the “uncertainties of what photography can or cannot reveal about life, death, and mourning.”

1h 2m

10/14/2024

Father Figures with Raquel Gutierrez

We welcome writer Raquel Gutierrez into our virtual studio during Mercury in Retrograde (resulting in a chirping smoke alarm and other markers of “real life” in our conversation). With a minor astrological detour, we talk about grieving the father figures within our chosen queer families, as well as our families of origin. What relations are we allowed to grieve? For Raquel, their Big Poppa was the activist and author Jeanne Córdova. We learn about their story of intergenerational mentorship, and the grief and transformation that winds its way through Raquel’s award-winning book, Brown Neon. Brown Neon (Coffeehouse Press): https://coffeehousepress.org/products/brown-neon

42 min

10/07/2024

Grief Games with Mattea Roach

Jeopardy! super champion and host of the CBC’s Bookends radio show, Mattea Roach, joins us for a candid conversation about losing their father unexpectedly while filming the Jeopardy Masters series in May 2023. Together we explore the dissonant and sometimes simultaneous experiences of grief and joy, while also honoring queer support networks and the power of our own magical thinking (for better and worse). We also get into how intellect and intuition work with and against each other in our own mental “grief games” during times of distress and loss of control.

53 min

09/30/2024

Losing our Animal Family Members with Naz Riahi

Writer and filmmaker Naz Riahi joins us to talk about the devastation of losing our animal soulmates. What is the particular character of loss we experience when we lose the daily physical presence and companionship of our dogs, cats and other pets? What about the isolation we encounter while grieving our pets, especially because grief for non-humans can be diminished or judged as “inappropriate”? And what are the realms of spirituality we touch upon in these moments of loss? Catapult Essay on Loss of Father: https://magazine.catapult.co/family/stories/all-that-is-lost-all-that-is-remembered-father-naz-riahi

56 min

09/23/2024

The Thin Line Between Laughter & Tears with Jenny Yang

Comedian, writer, actor and Self Help Me-guru Jenny Yang joins us this week to talk about the thin line between laughter and tears, and the global, cumulative griefs she–and we–have experienced over the last five years. Jenny offers an emotionally honest account of her fertility challenges, and how she confronted that grief with a healing, satirical photo project using the aesthetics of “birth announcements.” Karen and Jenny compare notes about Filipino vs. Taiwanese expressions of grief, while Megan and Jenny discuss a range of therapeutic journeys, their benefits and their drawbacks. “Birth Announcements” Photo Project: https://www.instagram.com/p/C-LF_v8vsH-/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

47 min

09/04/2024

Premiere Episode

Welcome to The Art of Grief, a podcast featuring conversations between artists, creators, mental health professionals, and spiritual guides to explore the many forms of loss and grief, and the different ways we use art to cope with those feelings. In our premiere episode, you meet hosts Karen Tongson and Megan Auster-Rosen and hear about their shared histories of grief as they cut across their friendship, and their own creative and professional practices.

47 min

The Art of Grief

Episodes

The Poetics of Grief with Hala Alyan

Holiday Feelings

Grief Groups & Finding Your Place with Japhena Kay

Finding the Words with Colin Campbell

Post-Election Special

A “Voice Stained with Grief”: Writing After Loss with Regina N. Bradley

Visualizing Grief with Cherine Fahd

Father Figures with Raquel Gutierrez

Grief Games with Mattea Roach

Losing our Animal Family Members with Naz Riahi

The Thin Line Between Laughter & Tears with Jenny Yang

Premiere Episode

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