24 episodes

Many of the struggles of pastoral ministry go unseen. Along with the joys of serving our churches come the challenges of conflict, fear, and criticism. In the midst of these, pastors care for souls, preach the Word, and attempt to live healthy lives with our families and friends.On The Art of Pastoring, join Jared Wilson and Ronnie Martin as they reflect on their decades of experience in ministry, engaging in frank and vulnerable conversation on lessons learned and pathways discovered as they’ve sought to follow Jesus and pastor well.Jared Wilson is Assistant Professor of Pastoral Ministry at Spurgeon College, Author in Residence at Midwestern Seminary, and Director of the Pastoral Training Center at Liberty Baptist Church, all in Kansas City, MO. He has authored over twenty books, including the forthcoming Gospel-Driven Ministry (2021, Zondervan).Ronnie Martin is the founder and lead pastor of Substance Church in Ashland, Ohio. In addition to co-hosting the popular Happy Rant Podcast, Ronnie also serves on the church multiplication board for the EFCA and does pastoral care and connection for the Sojourn Network. His most recent book is "The Best Gift Ever Given" (Harvest House 2019). 

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    • Religion & Spirituality
    • 4.9 • 101 Ratings

Many of the struggles of pastoral ministry go unseen. Along with the joys of serving our churches come the challenges of conflict, fear, and criticism. In the midst of these, pastors care for souls, preach the Word, and attempt to live healthy lives with our families and friends.On The Art of Pastoring, join Jared Wilson and Ronnie Martin as they reflect on their decades of experience in ministry, engaging in frank and vulnerable conversation on lessons learned and pathways discovered as they’ve sought to follow Jesus and pastor well.Jared Wilson is Assistant Professor of Pastoral Ministry at Spurgeon College, Author in Residence at Midwestern Seminary, and Director of the Pastoral Training Center at Liberty Baptist Church, all in Kansas City, MO. He has authored over twenty books, including the forthcoming Gospel-Driven Ministry (2021, Zondervan).Ronnie Martin is the founder and lead pastor of Substance Church in Ashland, Ohio. In addition to co-hosting the popular Happy Rant Podcast, Ronnie also serves on the church multiplication board for the EFCA and does pastoral care and connection for the Sojourn Network. His most recent book is "The Best Gift Ever Given" (Harvest House 2019). 

    You Ask, We Answer

    You Ask, We Answer

    On this episode of The Art of Pastoring, Ronnie Martin and Jared Wilson take listener questions about the pastoring life, including:How does a pastor know when it’s time to move on?
    How do you shepherd people away from the political fringes?
    How can pastors establish boundaries around family time?Tune in for a heartfelt, practical discussion that responds directly to the needs and curiosities of pastors.Produced by Mike Cosper
    Edited and Mixed by Aaron Leslie
    Theme Song "Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah" by Jeremy Casella
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    • 39 min
    Shepherds on the Socials

    Shepherds on the Socials

    Social media provides pastors with an opportunity to speak to those inside and outside their congregations far more often than a Sunday morning sermon. Depending on the climate of Twitter or Facebook, that increase in available airtime can feel like a blessing or a curse. What is a pastor’s calling in the face of a blinking cursor and updated feed?

    In this episode of The Art of Pastoring, Ronnie Martin and Jared Wilson return from their hiatus to share their thoughts on social media engagement. They talk about the problems with statements like “he’s not really like that in real life” and the fact that our true selves are made plain through our speech—even online. And they consider what it looks like to interact with congregants about their social media posts in ways that keep love and truth at the heart of every conversation.Produced by Mike Cosper
    Edited and Mixed by Aaron Leslie
    Theme Song "Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah" by Jeremy Casella
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    • 37 min
    Finding Friendship

    Finding Friendship

    Being a pastor can make it hard to maintain close friendships. It’s difficult to be both a friend and minister, especially in seasons when reproof or connection may be necessary. But community and friendships are vital for those in leadership. So what’s the answer? 

    In this episode of The Art of Pastoring, Ronnie Martin and Jared Wilson discuss the ways that pastors can invite others into their lives and build meaningful relationships. They talk about the unavoidable reality that things can—and likely will—get awkward or even harmful when pastors attempt to build friendships within their congregations. They consider how accountability, mentorship, and relationships outside of their local congregations can help pastors experience true friendship.

    Produced by Mike Cosper
    Edited and Mixed by Aaron Leslie
    Theme Song "Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah" by Jeremy Casella
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    • 37 min
    Ministry in the Face of Fear

    Ministry in the Face of Fear

    Struggling to answer someone’s theological question about grief or pain.
    Walking into an elder meeting only to discover that half of the group isn’t on board with your plan.
    Realizing halfway through preaching that you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Are you shuddering yet? Scenarios like these can send chills down a pastor’s spine, and they often point to deeper fears: Am I really the right pastor for this church? Am I equipped for ministry?

    On this episode of The Art of Pastoring, Ronnie Martin and Jared Wilson share some of the fears they’ve faced. They talk about the ways that especially nerve-wracking experiences can stick with us, affecting our future responses. And they speak to the power of defining pastoral roles, responsibilities, and faithfulness around love and freedom rather than fear and insecurity.

    Produced by Mike Cosper
    Edited and Mixed by Aaron Leslie
    Theme Song "Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah" by Jeremy Casell
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    • 30 min
    Pastoral Passages

    Pastoral Passages

    As pastors preach the whole of Scripture, specific portions often become personal favorites. These treasured verses may speak to the life of the pastor, provide encouragement, or offer refreshment to tired ministers.
    On this episode of The Art of Pastoring, Ronnie Martin and Jared Wilson share some of the passages that they have clung to as pastors. They discuss passages that bring both conviction and comfort. They remind one another of the deep truths that remain consistent all throughout the story that the Bible tells about ministry: there will be suffering, it is temporary, and one day the Good Shepherd will say, “Well done.” Tune in for a rich and recalibrating episode anchored by the promises of God.
    Produced by Mike Cosper
    Edited and Mixed by Aaron Leslie
    Theme Song "Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah" by Jeremy Casella
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    • 34 min
    Prioritizing Prayer

    Prioritizing Prayer

    Reading and studying often feel productive, efficient, and purposeful. But prayer? Though we may feel guilty for thinking it—not so much.
    On this episode of The Art of Pastoring, Ronnie Martin and Jared Wilson, whose new book Gospel-Driven Ministry is now available, talk about the barriers pastors often face when it comes to regular, meaningful times of prayer. They share their personal struggles and talk about the centrality of prayer in historical revivals and the international church. This episode both convicts and comforts, reminding us that while prayer can feel abstract, it is ultimately an invitation to connect with the One who first loved us.
    Produced by Mike Cosper
    Edited and Mixed by Aaron Leslie
    Theme Song "Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah" by Jeremy Casella
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    • 33 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
101 Ratings

101 Ratings

Winner O ,

Actually Helpful

This is the type of podcast I’ve been searching for.
Also, you both have the perfect level of ranting/banter.
Thank you.

Wos85 ,

Love it!

As a pastor’s wife I have really enjoyed this podcast. The humor, vulnerability, and wisdom has been so helpful in thinking about ministry dynamics and it’s been a great reminder how common the challenges and joys of ministry are.

Presby Mike ,

Much Needed

I am so grateful for Jared’s and Ronnie’s hearts as pastors. Every topic and issue addressed is done so drenched in the Word, grace, truth, and love. It’s an encouraging podcast that deals with really pastoral issues. Plus, they work so well together and I love the humor mixed in. I look forward to every new episode.

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