"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis Turpentine

Nathan hosts Riley Goodside, the world's first staff prompt engineer at Scale AI, to discuss the evolution of prompt engineering. In this episode of The Cognitive Revolution, we explore how language models have progressed, making prompt engineering more like programming than poetry. Discover insights on enterprise AI applications, best practices for pushing LLMs to their limits, and the future of AI automation.
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CHAPTERS:
(00:00:00) About the Show
(00:00:23) Sponsor: WorkOS
(00:01:24) Introduction
(00:06:23) LLMs using LLMs
(00:09:38) Tool Use
(00:11:06) How to manage the breadth of the task
(00:14:51) Prompt engineering
(00:16:24) Sponsors: Oracle | Brave
(00:18:28) The importance of explicit reasoning
(00:21:16) The importance of breaking down tasks
(00:26:49) Multitasking fine-tuning
(00:31:49) Sponsors: Omneky | Squad
(00:33:36) Best models for fine-tuning
(00:36:41) The Platonic Representation Hypothesis
(00:42:02) How close are we to AGI?
(00:45:44) How do you know if youre being too ambitious?
(00:51:18) Best practices for generating good output
(00:54:33) Backfills and synthetic transformations
(00:56:59) Prompt engineering
(01:05:54) AGI, modalities, and the limits of training
(01:11:38) Compute thresholds
(01:13:02) Jailbreaking models
(01:16:09) Open-source models
(01:20:08) Solving the ARC Challenge
(01:23:20) How to Demonstrate Prompt Engineering Skills
(01:25:27) Outro

Nathan interviews Bernal Jimenez Gutierrez, creator of HippoRAG, a novel approach to retrieval augmented generation inspired by the human hippocampus. In this episode of The Cognitive Revolution, we explore how HippoRAG improves on traditional RAG systems, its neuroanatomical inspiration, and its potential for handling complex queries requiring multi-hop reasoning. Join us for an insightful discussion on the future of AI memory systems.
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RECOMMENDED PODCAST:
Complex Systems
Patrick McKenzie (@patio11) talks to experts who understand the complicated but not unknowable systems we rely on. You might be surprised at how quickly Patrick and his guests can put you in the top 1% of understanding for stock trading, tech hiring, and more.
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mos4VE3figVXleHDqfXOH
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CHAPTERS:
(00:00:00) About the Show
(00:02:52) Intro
(00:05:10) RAG
(00:09:29) Hippocampal Memory Indexing Theory
(00:14:29) Neocortex, Parahippocampal Regions, Hippocampus
(00:18:35) Hipporag (Part 1)
(00:21:12) Sponsors: Oracle | Brave
(00:23:20) Hipporag (Part 2)
(00:23:29) Understanding the Hippocampus
(00:29:37) RAG
(00:31:38) Runtime (Part 1)
(00:36:30) Sponsors: Omneky | Squad
(00:38:17) Runtime (Part 2)
(00:38:17) PageRank
(00:39:29) Headline Results
(00:43:22) Gaia Benchmark
(00:46:33) Pathfinding vs Path Following
(00:51:24) Future work
(00:53:26) Starting with a query
(00:58:30) Long context LLMs
(01:01:50) Hybrid approach
(01:05:03) AI Town
(01:06:58) Flair
(01:09:05) Getting it right, not cheap
(01:12:33) Technologies to highlight
(01:16:57) AI capabilities that are still unsolved
(01:19:47) Transformers meet neural algorithmic reasoners
(01:21:02) Closing
(01:21:31) Outro

Nathan explores the Guaranteed Safe AI Framework with co-authors Ben Goldhaber and Nora Ammann. In this episode of The Cognitive Revolution, we discuss their groundbreaking position paper on ensuring robust and reliable AI systems. Join us for an in-depth conversation about the three-part system governing AI behavior and its potential impact on the future of AI safety.
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RECOMMENDED PODCAST:
Complex Systems
Patrick McKenzie (@patio11) talks to experts who understand the complicated but not unknowable systems we rely on. You might be surprised at how quickly Patrick and his guests can put you in the top 1% of understanding for stock trading, tech hiring, and more.
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mos4VE3figVXleHDqfXOH
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/complex-systems-with-patrick-mckenzie-patio11/id1753399812

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Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. OCI has four to eight times the bandwidth of other clouds; offers one consistent price, and nobody does data better than Oracle. If you want to do more and spend less, take a free test drive of OCI at https://oracle.com/cognitive
The Brave search API can be used to assemble a data set to train your AI models and help with retrieval augmentation at the time of inference. All while remaining affordable with developer first pricing, integrating the Brave search API into your workflow translates to more ethical data sourcing and more human representative data sets. Try the Brave search API for free for up to 2000 queries per month at https://bit.ly/BraveTCR
Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off https://www.omneky.com/
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CHAPTERS:
(00:00:00) About the Show
(00:04:39) Introduction
(00:07:58) Convergence
(00:10:32) Safety guarantees
(00:14:35) World model (Part 1)
(00:22:22) Sponsors: Oracle | Brave
(00:24:31) World model (Part 2)
(00:26:55) AI boxing
(00:30:28) Verifier
(00:33:33) Sponsors: Omneky | Squad
(00:35:20) Example: Self-Driving Cars
(00:38:08) Moral Desiderata
(00:41:09) Trolley Problems
(00:47:24) How to approach the world model
(00:50:50) Deriving the world model
(00:55:13) How far should the world model extend?
(01:00:55) Safety through narrowness
(01:02:38) Safety specs
(01:08:26) Experiments
(01:11:25) How GSAI can help in the short term
(01:27:40) What would be the basis for the world model?
(01:31:23) Interpretability
(01:34:24) Competitive dynamics
(01:37:35) Regulation
(01:42:02) GSAI authors
(01:43:25) Outro

Nathan interviews Mike Knoop, co-founder of Zapier and co-creator of the ARC Prize, about the $1 million competition for more efficient AI architectures. They discuss the ARC AGI benchmark, its implications for general intelligence, and the potential impact on AI safety. Nathan reflects on the challenges of intuitive problem-solving in AI and considers hybrid approaches to AGI development.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST:
Patrick McKenzie (@patio11) talks to experts who understand the complicated but not unknowable systems we rely on. You might be surprised at how quickly Patrick and his guests can put you in the top 1% of understanding for stock trading, tech hiring, and more.
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mos4VE3figVXleHDqfXOH
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/complex-systems-with-patrick-mckenzie-patio11/id1753399812

SPONSORS:

Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. OCI has four to eight times the bandwidth of other clouds; offers one consistent price, and nobody does data better than Oracle. If you want to do more and spend less, take a free test drive of OCI at https://oracle.com/cognitive
The Brave search API can be used to assemble a data set to train your AI models and help with retrieval augmentation at the time of inference. All while remaining affordable with developer first pricing, integrating the Brave search API into your workflow translates to more ethical data sourcing and more human representative data sets. Try the Brave search API for free for up to 2000 queries per month at https://bit.ly/BraveTCR

Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off https://www.omneky.com/

Head to Squad to access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to https://choosesquad.com/ and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist.

CHAPTERS:

(00:00:00) About the Show
(00:06:06) The ARC Benchmark
(00:09:34) Other Benchmarks
(00:10:58) Definition of AGI
(00:14:38) The rules of the contest
(00:18:16) ARC test set (Part 1)
(00:18:23) Sponsors: Oracle | Brave
(00:20:31) ARC test set (Part 2)
(00:22:50) Stair-stepping benchmarks
(00:26:17) ARC Prize
(00:28:34) The rules of the ARC Prize
(00:31:12) Compute costs (Part 1)
(00:34:47) Sponsors: Omneky | Squad
(00:36:34) Compute costs (Part 2)
(00:36:40) Compute Limit
(00:41:00) Public Leaderboard
(00:42:58) The current AI ecosystem
(00:47:23) The four steps of solving a puzzle
(00:51:20) Intuition
(00:54:32) Human Intelligence
(00:56:06) Current Frontier Language Models
(00:57:44) Program Synthesis
(01:04:10) Is the model learning or memorizing?
(01:09:51) Improving the ARC dataset
(01:11:34) Step 3: Guessing the Rule
(01:12:51) Dealing with Ambiguity
(01:15:02) Exploring Solutions
(01:17:02) Non-backpropagation evolutionary architecture search
(01:19:49) Expectations for an AGI world
(01:24:11) Reliability and out of domain generalization
(01:28:35) What a person would do
(01:29:51) What is the right generalization
(01:35:32) The ARC AGI Challenge
(01:37:01) Postscript
(01:38:07) DSpi
(01:39:55) Statespace models
(01:43:28) Hybrid models
(01:48:32) FunSearch
(01:50:41) Kolmogorov-Arnold-Networks
(01:54:18) Grokking
(01:55:42) Outro

Nathan explores the future of food production with Rajat Bhageria, founder and CEO of Chef Robotics. In this episode of The Cognitive Revolution, we delve into how AI and robotics are revolutionizing food assembly, potentially reshaping the entire food industry. Discover insights on imitation learning, data flywheel effects, and the vision of accessible, customizable meals produced by robotic kitchens.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST:
Patrick McKenzie (@patio11) talks to experts who understand the complicated but not unknowable systems we rely on. You might be surprised at how quickly Patrick and his guests can put you in the top 1% of understanding for stock trading, tech hiring, and more.
Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mos4VE3figVXleHDqfXOH
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SPONSORS:
Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. OCI has four to eight times the bandwidth of other clouds; offers one consistent price, and nobody does data better than Oracle. If you want to do more and spend less, take a free test drive of OCI at https://oracle.com/cognitive
The Brave search API can be used to assemble a data set to train your AI models and help with retrieval augmentation at the time of inference. All while remaining affordable with developer first pricing, integrating the Brave search API into your workflow translates to more ethical data sourcing and more human representative data sets. Try the Brave search API for free for up to 2000 queries per month at https://bit.ly/BraveTCR
Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off https://www.omneky.com/
Head to Squad to access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to https://choosesquad.com/ and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist.

CHAPTERS:
(00:00:00) About the Show
(00:02:40) Chef Robotics
(00:04:09) Food Manufacturing
(00:06:52) Food assembly
(00:11:08) Setting up a robot
(00:14:00) Onboarding process
(00:18:08) Sponsors: Oracle | Brave
(00:20:16) Self fine-tuning
(00:22:59) Variation in the human powered setting
(00:29:53) Safety constraints
(00:32:15) Portfolio of customers
(00:33:43) Sponsors: Omneky | Squad
(00:35:30) Evolution of the AI strategy
(00:40:14) Generative AI in robotics
(00:43:27) Eurekas and bootstrapping
(00:45:43) Time to onboard a new ingredient
(00:47:15) Inner loops of the system
(00:49:17) How controlled does the environment have to be?
(00:52:51) Compute, Energy
(00:54:12) Reliability
(00:59:52) Current challenges
(01:02:47) Humanoid robots
(01:06:42) Business model
(01:07:58) Future vision
(01:11:51) Ghost kitchens and kitchenless houses
(01:14:35) Final message
(01:15:49) Outro

Nathan welcomes back Sander Schulhoff, creator of LearnPrompting.org, to discuss the recently released Prompt Report. In this episode of The Cognitive Revolution, we explore the current state of prompting techniques for large language models, covering best practices, challenges, and emerging trends in AI. Join us for an in-depth conversation on the future of prompt engineering and its implications for AI development.

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RECOMMENDED PODCAST:
Patrick McKenzie (@patio11) talks to experts who understand the complicated but not unknowable systems we rely on. You might be surprised at how quickly Patrick and his guests can put you in the top 1% of understanding for stock trading, tech hiring, and more.
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mos4VE3figVXleHDqfXOH
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/id1753399812https://podcasts.apple.com/id1753399812

SPONSORS:

Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. OCI has four to eight times the bandwidth of other clouds; offers one consistent price, and nobody does data better than Oracle. If you want to do more and spend less, take a free test drive of OCI at https://oracle.com/cognitive
The Brave search API can be used to assemble a data set to train your AI models and help with retrieval augmentation at the time of inference. All while remaining affordable with developer first pricing, integrating the Brave search API into your workflow translates to more ethical data sourcing and more human representative data sets. Try the Brave search API for free for up to 2000 queries per month at https://bit.ly/BraveTCR

Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off https://www.omneky.com/

Head to Squad to access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to https://choosesquad.com/ and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist.

CHAPTERS:

(00:00:00) About the Show
(00:02:35) Sander Schulhoff, Learn Prompting
(00:05:22) Hack-a-Prompt updates
(00:12:39) The team behind the report
(00:18:40) Sponsors: Oracle | Brave
(00:20:48) The tech side of things (Part 2)
(00:22:24) The taxonomy
(00:25:06) Diamonds in the rough
(00:28:32) Few-shot prompting design decisions
(00:34:01) Sponsors: Omneky | Squad
(00:35:48) Example vs. Exemplar
(00:38:24) Exemplar Format
(00:42:04) Elaborate Instructions
(00:44:22) Variation in Performance
(00:46:46) Prompt Robustness
(00:50:54) RLHF vs. Base Models
(00:52:42) How to improve your prompts
(00:55:22) Ensembling
(00:58:41) Bootstrapping into fine-tuning
(01:02:04) Multimodal
(01:07:41) Agents
(01:09:47) Automated prompt engineering
(01:12:35) Productizing learn prompting
(01:14:28) Lessons from leading a team
(01:16:00) Outro