What if divorce did not have to destroy everything in its path? In this episode of The D Shift, Mardi Winder sits down with Karen McNenny to explore a very different perspective. One that challenges the traditional adversarial model and instead focuses on creating a thoughtful, intentional path forward, especially when children are involved. Karen shares her personal divorce journey and how it led her to build what she now calls the Good Divorce movement. Rather than focusing on conflict, she helps families navigate separation in a way that prioritizes long-term relationships, especially the co-parenting dynamic. Together, Mardi and Karen unpack what a “good divorce” actually means and why it is far more common than people realize, even if those stories are rarely shared. They discuss the limitations of the traditional legal system, the importance of early decisions, and how starting with communication and parenting plans can significantly change the outcome. This episode also challenges common assumptions, including the belief that staying together for the children is always the better choice, or that waiting until they are older will make divorce easier. Instead, the focus shifts to what children actually need, which is stability, honesty, and parents who can function in a healthy way, whether together or apart. Karen also shares insights from her new book, which is designed not just for those going through divorce, but for anyone connected to it. Her work emphasizes that divorce is not the end of a relationship, but a restructuring of it, and one that can be handled with intention rather than defaulting to conflict. This is a conversation about possibility, responsibility, and redefining what divorce can look like when people choose a different approach. The episode explores why: • Most divorces are not high conflict, but those stories are rarely shared • Divorce does not end a relationship; it restructures it • Starting with communication and parenting plans creates better long-term outcomes • The traditional legal system is built for conflict, not cooperation • Staying together for the children can sometimes cause more harm than good • Children need stability and honesty more than they need parents in the same home • A good divorce is not about perfection, it is about intention and design • Early decisions in the process often determine how the divorce will end About the Guest: Renowned for blending warmth, clarity, and practical strategy, Karen helps navigate change with intention. As a sought-after speaker, trusted advisor, and TEDx presenter, she draws on over two decades of leadership coaching and consulting across nonprofit, corporate, and public sectors. Karen is also the founder of the Good Divorce show and Good Divorce Academy, and author of The Good Divorce. Her lived experience—navigating her own divorce while raising children across two homes from kindergarten through college—proves families can restructure without rupturing, making her guidance profoundly relatable and effective. To connect with Karen: Website: thegooddivorcecoach.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gooddivorcecoach/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/gooddivorcecoach LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gooddivorcecoach TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@gooddivorcecoach YouTube: @gooddivorcecoach About the Host Mardi Winder is a Strategic Divorce Consultant and High-Conflict Divorce Coach who helps high-achieving individuals navigate divorce with clarity, confidence, and control. Drawing on more than 30 years of experience in mediation, divorce coaching and conflict resolution, she supports clients in making smart decisions while reducing emotional and financial fallout, particularly in high-conflict, high-asset and complex divorces. Mardi is the founder of Positive Communication Systems, LLC, and the Strategic Divorce Directory, LLC. For Mardi’s gift: The Resilience Building Blueprint: A 28-Day Journey To A Stronger You https://www.divorcecoach4women.com/rbb Connect with Mardi on Social Media: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/Divorcecoach4women LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mardiwinderadams/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/divorcecoach4women/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@divorcecoach4women Thanks for Listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. 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