The Great Tech Game, with Anirudh Suri: Smart conversations on Technology, Business and Geopolitics Anirudh Suri

In this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, the host Anirudh Suri engages in an in-depth conversation with Professor Gary Gerstle, they discuss the formation and dissolution of political orders, focusing on the New Deal and neoliberal orders, and explore how current global dynamics, particularly the rise of China and India, impact the U.S. political landscape. They delve into the potential shift of the U.S. towards a more state-driven model, the challenges of authoritarianism, and what the future holds for globalization, migration, and class conflict. The discussion also covers the evolving relationship between states and corporations, the populist revolt against cosmopolitanism, Political Order, and the complexities of managing global tech giants. Professor Gerstle provides an analytical framework for understanding these transitions, drawing from his extensive work on political economy and history.

00:00 Exploring the New Political Order Amidst US-China Rivalry
01:20 Introducing Professor Gary Gerstle and His Work
04:18 The Concept of Political Order: A Deep Dive
14:31 The Impact of Global Events on Political Orders
22:40 The Rise of China and India: Shaping the Global Economy
24:35 The Pendulum of American Political Orders
34:37 US-China Rivalry: A New Era of State-Driven Models?
40:18 Exploring the Thin Line Between Strong States and Authoritarianism
42:09 The Role of Judiciary and Constitution in Preventing Authoritarianism
44:48 State-Corporation Dynamics: A Tug of War
46:36 Global Governance vs. Corporate Power: The Challenge of Tech Giants
49:50 Neo-Feudalism and the Future of Global Order
51:53 Digital Colonialism and the Future of Global Corporations
54:58 The Pendulum Analogy and the Future of Global Politics
57:02 Envisioning the Future World Order: Multipolarity and Its Challenges
01:02:17 The Future of Class Conflict and Cultural Shifts
01:08:57 Navigating the Complex Transition: Advice for Leaders

About Gary Gerstle

Gary Gerstle arrived in Cambridge in 2014 after a three-decade career in the United States, most recently at Vanderbilt University where he was James G. Stahlman Professor of American History. He is currently Paul Mellon Professor of American History Emeritus, Paul Mellon Director of Research in American History, and Fellow of Sidney Sussex College. He is a historian of the twentieth century, with substantial interests in the late eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. He received his BA from Brown University and his MA and PhD from Harvard University. He is a Fellow of the British Academy and of the Royal Historical Society.

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The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order: America and the World in the Free Market Era: https://amzn.in/d/euA2Tq5

The Rise and Fall of the New Deal Order, 1930-1980: The Rise and Fall of the New Deal Order, 1930-1980

U.S - China rivalry, rise of China, rise of India, geopolitical shifts, state-driven industrial policy, New Deal order, neoliberal order, economic transitions, Pax Americana, multipolar world, national security, economic inequality, class conflict, cosmopolitanism, digital colonialism, authoritarian states, industrial policy, populist revolt, global economy, Politicalorder, US, China, India, Newdeal, Neoliberal, Neoliberalorder, GaryGerstle, AnirudhSuri, GreatTechGame, GreatTechGamePodcast


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In an insightful conversation, Bhaskar Chakravorti and Anirudh discuss the profound impact of artificial intelligence (AI) and the digital economy on global growth and India's future. Exploring the transformative capabilities of AI in various sectors such as healthcare, education, and agriculture, they highlight its potential in driving competitiveness, economic growth, and job creation at an unprecedented rate. Special attention is given to the challenges and opportunities India faces in leveraging AI for societal benefits, including the importance of public and private sector collaboration, digital competitiveness, and the strategic approach towards AI innovation for a broad-based, inclusive digital transformation. The conversation also emphasizes the necessity of understanding the digital economy through tools like the Digital Evolution Index and the success of India's digital public infrastructure as a foundation for future advancements.

00:00 The AI Revolution and Its Economic Impact
00:18 Exploring the Digital Economy's Growth and Challenges
01:43 The Great Tech Game Podcast Introduction
03:07 Digital Economy: Definitions, Measurements, and Future
19:02 Digital Competitiveness and the Evolution Index
40:44 Bridging Digital Divides: Gender, Urban, and Rural Gaps
41:28 Smartphone Revolution in Indian Agriculture
44:37 The Power of AI in Transforming Economies
45:58 Global AI Competitiveness and the TRAIN Scorecard
54:32 The Future of AI: Opportunities and Challenges
01:07:23 AI's Missed Opportunities and Future Potential
01:10:58 India's Strategic Approach to AI and Digital Infrastructure
01:16:48 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

Website: https://digitalplanet.tufts.edu/

About Bhaskar Chakravorti

Bhaskar Chakravorti is the Dean of Global Business at The Fletcher School at Tufts University – America’s oldest exclusively graduate school of global affairs — the founding Executive Director of Fletcher’s Institute for Business in the Global Context and founder and chair of Digital Planet, one of Fletcher’s flagship research programs that studies the impact of technology on lives and livelihoods around the world.

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Hosted by Anirudh with Anu Bradford, this episode of the Great Tech Game podcast delves into the intricate landscape of technology, geopolitics, and regulation. Bradford, a renowned scholar at Columbia Law School and author of crucial works like 'The Brussels Effect' and 'Digital Empires', explores the overwhelming power of tech companies and their consequential failure to govern responsibly. The conversation spans the divergent digital regulation models of the US, China, and the European Union, reflecting on their ideological, cultural, and political bases. Bradford and Anirudh discuss the dynamic evolution of tech regulation, the enduring geopolitical tensions in the US-China tech war, additionally, they assess India's unique digital public infrastructure approach, suggested as a distinct, hybrid model from the major 'digital empires'.

Anu H. Bradford, formerly known as Anu Piilola, was born in 1975 and is recognized as a Finnish-American author, law professor, and authority in international trade law. Her accolades include being appointed as the Henry L. Moses Distinguished Professor of Law and International Organization at Columbia Law School in 2014. Bradford is best known for her acclaimed work, "The Brussels Effect: How the European Union Rules the World.”

About Anu: https://www.law.columbia.edu/faculty/anu-bradford

Chapters

00:00 The Power and Responsibility of Tech Giants
01:36 Introducing the Great Tech Game Podcast
01:54 Spotlight on Professor Anu Bradford and Her Work
03:01 Exploring the Concept of Digital Empires
06:44 The Evolving Landscape of Tech Regulation
17:50 India's Digital Public Infrastructure: A New Model?
23:40 The Complex Dance of States, Tech Firms, and Regulation
26:42 Navigating the Geopolitical Tech Terrain
36:10 Predicting the Future of Digital Empires
36:37 The Inevitability of Coexistence Amidst Tensions
37:43 US-EU Tech Policy Alignment and Challenges
39:57 EU's Tech Strategy Amidst Geopolitical Shifts
42:14 Europe's Path to Innovation and Regulatory Balance
44:39 The Role of Talent and Innovation in Europe's Tech Future
47:50 Assessing Europe's Progress Towards Innovation
51:52 AI's Role in the Future of Tech and International Collaboration
58:39 The Philosophical Battles Shaping the Digital World
01:04:31 Concluding Thoughts and Recommendations

Books by Anu

Digital Empires: The Global Battle to Regulate Technology : https://amzn.in/d/dKo9SIb

The Brussels Effect: How the European Union Rules the World :https://amzn.in/d/iIR3GIB

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This episode of the 'Great Tech Game' podcast features a discussion with Professor Abe Newman, a prominent figure at Georgetown University and the co-head of the Mortara Center for International Studies. Professor Newman is also the author of 'The Underground Empire,' a book examining how the U.S. has harnessed the global economy as a tool for weaponized interdependence. The conversation delves into the evolving dynamics of geopolitics, technology, and the economy, addressing how countries, particularly the U.S., have leveraged economic networks and infrastructure as means of coercion and surveillance. Notable topics include the role of companies like SWIFT, TSMC, and Huawei as participants in global economic strategies, the historical precedents of using economic networks for geopolitical ends, and the challenges posed by the entanglement of rivalry and interdependence in current international relations. The discussion underscores the need for a more nuanced economic security state capable of managing the existing interplay between security and economics, while suggesting a trend towards a potentially multipolar world order.

About Abraham Newman:

Abraham L. Newman, born in 1973, is an American political scientist and professor at Georgetown University's Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service and Government Department. He also serves as the Director of the Mortara Center for International Studies. Newman's research is dedicated to examining how economic interdependence and globalization have reshaped the landscape of international politics. His insightful contributions have been featured in esteemed publications including the Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, and The New York Times.

00:00 The Power Dynamics of Global Markets
01:27 Introducing Professor Abe Newman and The Underground Empire
02:53 Unveiling the Underground Empire: How the U.S. Weaponizes the Global Economy
04:51 Historical Context: From Telegraph Cables to Today's Global Networks
15:09 Weaponized Interdependence: The New Geopolitical Leverage
24:32 The Challenges of Building Alternatives to U.S. Dominance
33:21 Europe's Struggle in the Global Tech Arena
34:04 The Future of AI: A New Frontier for Dependency and Power
35:34 The Impact of Brexit on the UK's AI Ecosystem
35:59 US-China Rivalry: The Weaponization of AI and Economic Tools
37:26 The Sustainability of US Economic Dominance
44:48 The Role of Private Companies in Geopolitical Strategies
45:30 Markets as Battlefields: The New Geo-Economic Landscape
01:03:28 The Future of Global Order: Navigating Rivalry and Interdependence
01:08:06 Concluding Thoughts and Recommendations

To know more about Abraham Newman

https://gufaculty360.georgetown.edu/s/contact/00336000014RcmSAAS/abraham-newman

**Underground Empire: How America Weaponized the World Economy** : https://amzn.in/d/0nvHq4t

**The Uses and Abuses of Weaponized Interdependence:** https://amzn.in/d/0ioTh1n

**Of Privacy and Power: The Transatlantic Struggle over Freedom and Security :** https://amzn.in/d/ferpltm

**Voluntary Disruptions: International Soft Law, Finance, and Power (Transformations in Governance)** : https://amzn.in/d/0rsuGgn

**Protectors of Privacy: Regulating Personal Data in the Global Economy :** https://amzn.in/d/fZtnXrF

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Tune in to The Great Tech Game Podcast as host Anirudh Suri and guest Sebastian Mallaby unravel the intricate dynamics of capital's rise to power in the modern world. From colorful characters in capitalism's history to parallels between historic adventure capitalism and today's venture capitalism, they explore it all. Dive into the tug of war between financiers and governments, analyze the evolution of hedge funds and venture capital, and ponder the globalization of the VC industry. Are we witnessing a shift from Wall Street to Silicon Valley? Will rising inequality lead to global conflict? Join the conversation on the future of AI, competition versus monopolies, and the geopolitical risks of a multipolar world. Don't miss out on this insightful exploration of the forces shaping our world today.

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Sebastian Christopher Peter Mallaby, born in May 1964, is a prominent English journalist and author renowned for his expertise in international economics. Currently serving as the Paul A. Volcker senior fellow for international economics at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Mallaby also contributes as a columnist to The Washington Post. With a diverse portfolio, he has previously held positions such as contributing editor at the Financial Times and columnist/editorial board member at The Washington Post.

Mallaby's insightful analyses and commentaries have graced prestigious publications like The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and the Atlantic Monthly. Notably, his 2012 essay in Foreign Affairs tackled the intricate subject of China's currency future. Among his notable literary contributions are "The Man Who Knew" (2016), "More Money Than God" (2010), and "The World's Banker" (2004), solidifying his reputation as a leading authority in the field of economics and global finance.

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**Chapters:**

Introduction - 0:00

How did capital become such a powerful force in the world? - 4:15

Colourful characters in capitalism - 7:28

Parallels between 16th century Adventure Capitalism and today’s Venture capitalism - 9:08

Tug of War between Financiers and Governments - 11:56

Regulation of Finance and Tech: Parallels and Distinctions - 16:23

Rise of the Hedge Fund Industry - 18:55

Rise of the VC Industry - 21:35

Why VC firms and Hedge Funds haven't been subsumed by Large Banks? - 23:56

Globalisation of the VC industry? Unipolar or Multipolar VC World? - 26:33

Duopoly of Tech and Capital: The Two Most Powerful Forces in the World Today - 36:21

IS Power Shifting From Wall St to Silicon Valley? - 38:36

Inequality and Capitalism - The Battle between Capital and Labour - 39:35

Will Rising Inequality Lead to another World War? Or Populism? - 46:09

Will AI cause greater divergence between Nations? The second great Divergence? - 48: 52

Microsoft Taking Over Apple, in AI? - 52:04

Competition or Monopolies - How will the AI Industry Shape Up? - 53:26

Which Countries are the Major Emerging Powers? - 55:40

Bipolar world or Multipolar World? - 57:35

Key Geopolitical Risks of a Multipolar World - 59:13

Sebastian’s Recommendations - Books and Podcast Guests - 1:02:55

**Books**

Sebastian:

**The Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future** - https://amzn.eu/d/0N1LYKo

**More Money than God** - https://amzn.eu/d/goWCmMg

**The Man Who Knew: The Life & Times of Alan Greenspan -** https://amzn.eu/d/7U4ZzSe

**The World's Banker: A Story of Failed States -** https://amzn.eu/d/0oXfFox

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In this comprehensive episode of the Great Tech Game podcast, Anirudh Suri and guest, George Lee, delve into the convergence of technology, geopolitics, business, and innovation through the lens of the emerging generative AI revolution. They discuss the current landscape of global AI competition, highlighting the US's early lead, China's formidable presence, and the potential contributions of other nations, including India's open data approach.

Lee, from his executive position at Goldman Sachs and extensive academic and professional background, shares insights on the formation of the Applied Innovation Group, aimed at driving thought leadership and innovation within the firm, motivated by the seismic shifts in geopolitics and technology. The conversation also explores the geopolitical 'AI swing states,' the influence of open vs. closed source AI models, and the historical parallels that might help predict the future of AI's impact on business models and economic growth. Throughout, they underscore the necessity of conscious technology development that augments human potential and fosters equitable growth, while also considering the implications of AI on job market dynamics, the importance of broad AI adoption, and strategies nations might employ during these formative 'Inter AI years' to secure their place in the future AI-driven world.

About George Lee: https://www.goldmansachs.com/about-us/people-and-leadership/leadership/management-committee/george-lee.html

01:00 Introduction
02:47 The Role of Applied Innovation Group
04:09 The Intersection of Technology, Geopolitics, and Business
04:49 The Geopolitics of AI
06:51 The Global AI Competition
09:14 The Role of Different Countries in AI Development
21:42 The Future of AI: Open Source vs Closed Source
28:59 Understanding AI as an Operating System or Application
30:34 The Concept of Swing States in AI Competition
31:26 Understanding Geopolitical Swing States
32:03 The Rise of China and its Global Impact
34:05 The Concept of AI Swing States
35:03 The Role of Innovation Blocks in Geopolitics
38:15 AI and Economic Growth: A Macro Perspective
38:45 The Impact of AI on Economic Output and Growth
47:07 The Interplay of AI, Capital, and Talent
55:03 The Concept of Inter AI Years and its Opportunities
56:56 The Risks and Opportunities for Businesses in the AI Era
58:49 The Future of AI: A Discussion on Adoption and Democratization

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