Join VeggieTales and What's in the Bible? creator Phil Vischer and co-host Skye Jethani (author, speaker, pastor) for a fast-paced and often funny conversation about pop culture, media, theology, and the fun, fun, fun of living a thoughtful Christian life in an increasingly post-Christian culture.
Holy Post 468: Lessons from the Rise & Fall of Mars Hill with Mike Cosper
It seems like everyone is talking about the new podcast from Christianity Today, “The Rise & Fall of Mars Hill” about the famed Seattle megachurch and its controversial pastor, Mark Driscoll. The creator of the podcast, Mike Cosper, talks to Skye about the complicated reality of Mars Hill, and what the rest of the evangelical church can learn from its story. Also this week, scientists discover a parasite that could make you live for 200 years, keep you perpetually young, and make you popular. But there’s a catch. A woman lets God take the wheel, literally. The Creation Museum in Kentucky thinks rebuilding the Tower of Babel in the key to racial harmony. And Phil’s confused about an Olympic team’s decision to wear shorts rather than the mandated bikini bottoms. Is it a victory for conservative or progressive values?
The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill: https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/
Patreon Bonus Segment: https://www.patreon.com/posts/bonus-interview-54513169
Episode 467: “Reparations,” the Review & the Response with Gregory Thompson
Earlier this year, Gregory Thompson and Duke Kwon released their book “Reparations: A Christian Call for Repentance and Repair,” in which they make a biblical argument for the American church’s responsibility to repay the debts inflicted upon black communities by systemic racism and white supremacy. In this moment of political division and evangelical panic over Critical Race Theory, it’s not surprising that responses to the book have been polarized. One of the most negative and widely read reviews came from theologian Kevin DeYoung who said “Reparations” is “clearly not shaped by the gospel.” Thompson and Kwon then wrote a lengthy and detailed response to DeYoung’s review. (Links to both are posted below.) In this episode, Thompson talks to Skye about the debate, criticism of his book, and what the white evangelical response to racism reveals about its theology, mission, and blind spots. Phil and Christian then join Skye to discuss Thompson’s interview, and Christian shares a personal story to remind us all that change is possible.
“Reparations: A Christian Call for Repentance and Repair” - https://www.amazon.com/Reparations-Christian-Call-Repentance-Repair/dp/1587434504/
Kevin DeYoung Review - https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevin-deyoung/reparations-a-critical-theological-review/
Review Response 1 - https://thefrontporch.org/2021/07/sanctifying-the-status-quo-a-response-to-reverend-kevin-deyoung/
Review Response 2 - https://thefrontporch.org/2021/07/distinctively-christian-an-additional-response-to-reverend-kevin-deyoung/
Other resources referenced:
Episode 466: Sermongate, Stats, & Sexual Abuse with Mary DeMuth
When news broke that the new president of the SBC lifted portions of his message from the previous SBC president’s sermon without attribution, #Sermongate erupted. The Holy Post crew unpacks the controversy, why so many pastors either outsource their sermon prep or plagiarize, and why the pressure to preach may be harming the church. Then, in a dramatic reversal, new data from Pew says mainline churches are growing while evangelical churches are shrinking. Have evangelicals been burned by their own critique that mainline churches don’t take the Bible seriously? Then, author and advocate Mary DeMuth explains the history of sexual abuse in the church, why cover ups are now so common, how we can respond more redemptively, and the best ways to prevent abuse in the first place. Plus—good news! Scientists say we have a back-up breathing option if our lungs fail.
Resources from Mary DeMuth:
Jesus and John Wayne Episode 4: Fallen Warriors (The ‘10s - Today)
Calvin University history professor Kristin Kobes Du Mez joins Skye Jethani to discuss her bestselling book, "Jesus & John Wayne." In this episode, they look at the rise of Donald Trump among white evangelicals and how their response to the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol mirrors reactions to scandals involving celebrity church leaders. Du Mez also responds to criticism of her book, and where we might find hope for the future of American evangelicalism.
Part 1 - Authoritarian Pastors and the Authoritarian President
Part 2 - Insurrection and Sex Scandals (17:22)
Part 3 - Christian Media and the Marketplace (27:42)
Part 4 - Responses and Criticism (40:32)
Part 5 - Done and Undone (52:59)
Episode 465: July 4th Roundup & the Shadow Side of Christian Publishing w/Karen Swallow Prior
This 4th of July, Hobby Lobby took out a controversial full page newspaper ad featuring quotes, or mis-quotes, from America’s founders about being a Christian nation. An editorial from Robert P. Jones says July 4th is a time to decide what we believe more—the Declaration of Independence that says all people are created equal, or the European doctrine of discovery which enshrined white supremacy? And David French asks what it really means to be a patriot and love our country well as Christians.
Then, Karen Swallow Prior is back on the show to talk about a recent address she gave to the Evangelical Press Association about Christian publishing’s addiction to celebrity and lack of integrity. But who’s really to blame—Christian book publishers, or Christian book consumers? All of that, plus is Spiderman & the Pope the best MCU team up yet?
Patreon Bonus: https://www.patreon.com/posts/53681162
Jesus and John Wayne Episode 3: Tender Warriors (The ’90s - ’00s)
Calvin University history professor Kristin Kobes Du Mez joins Skye Jethani to discuss her bestselling book, “Jesus & John Wayne.” In this episode, they examine why white evangelicalism left behind some of its militant rhetoric after the Cold War ended in the early 1990s to embrace a kinder, gentler approach epitomized by the Promise Keepers movement, and how an aggressive vision of Christian masculinity returned after September 11, 2001. Plus, why an emphasis on racial reconciliation ultimately doomed Promise Keepers, and how other ministries learned to avoid any talk about race or justice.
Part 1 - Promise Keepers and Therapeutic Christianity
Part 2 - Servant Leaders and Racial Reconciliation (15:36)
Part 3 - Purity Culture and Fragile Masculinity (32:47)
Part 4 - 9/11 and the Neo-Calvinists (48:38)
They do such a great job of making me look at the current culture and question my beliefs in the light of the Gospel. They have been able to help me understand what has lead me to my way of thinking and able to open up my mind to a Kingdom mentality. Thanks so much for making me do the hard work of examining my beliefs in the light of Christ.
Not afraid to tackle the hard issues
This podcast is widening my understanding of many important issues that too many evangelicals are avoiding. It helped me climb out of my echo chamber of people I want to agree with and face some hard questions. The interviews and guests are fantastic. Also Kaitlyn is an absolute gem! I fast forward through news of the butt and when it wanders into middle school level discussions.
A great opportunity to enter the complexities...
Of being a Christian in the sinful, broken world where we are bearers of truth, lovers of our neighbor and embassies of heaven. Thanks for the vulnerability, the honesty, integrity, humility, and depth of discussion. Thanks also for the humor and the community approach to conversation. Speaking of humor, these details may modify your perception of the rectal oxygen absorption experience from the science desk. Oxygen is a liquid between -363 deg F and -297 deg F. It is a cryogenic agent and and oxidizing agent, making the mammal’s tissues highly brittle, swollen, detached from blood supply and likely to 🔥 in the colon. YIKES. I do see they describe “such preparations would _likely_ be unacceptable for humans” where they decided to use another agent more suitable to deliver the oxygen. WHEW! Thank God for wisdom. Interesting article overall though.