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The New CISO is hosted by Exabeam Chief Security Strategist, Steve Moore. A former IT security leader himself, Steve sits down with Chief Information Security Officers to get their take on cybersecurity trends, what it takes to lead security teams and how things are changing in today’s world.

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The New CISO is hosted by Exabeam Chief Security Strategist, Steve Moore. A former IT security leader himself, Steve sits down with Chief Information Security Officers to get their take on cybersecurity trends, what it takes to lead security teams and how things are changing in today’s world.

    Perspectives on Security as a CISO and Police Officer

    Perspectives on Security as a CISO and Police Officer

    In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve is joined by guest Sándor Incze, CISO at CM.com.
    Today, Sándor shares his untraditional path to a dual career in the Infosec and law enforcement industries. Through diligence, initiative, and automation, Sándor has been able to balance both of his life’s passions. Listen to the episode to learn more about Sándor’s extensive professional journey, the benefits of automation, and how personal interactions can shape your perspective on a crisis.
    Listen to Steve and Sándor discuss what a police officer and a CISO have in common and when it’s appropriate to be “lazy”:
    Meet Sándor (1:33)
    Sándor has been passionate about tech since he was eleven years old. After tinkering around with an old computer at school, he became his school’s first administrator.
    He credits this experience as his professional origin story.
    An Opportunity With Law Enforcement (6:21)
    Sándor shares that he has been interested in law enforcement professionally since his youth. Although this path didn’t initially work out, he was able to eventually combine his two passions into the dual career he has today.
    Young and Successful (12:40)
    By eighteen years old, Sándor was already establishing a successful career and saw the financial benefits alongside that. Amusingly, he would buy a new motorcycle every six months, an impressive luxury for his youthful age.
    A Man In a Suit (14:03)
    After finishing his computer science degree, Sándor tried to move into a law enforcement career. This attempt didn’t work out as intended, so Sándor had to go to a job wearing a suit rather than a preferred police officer’s uniform.
    The Benefits of Laziness (16:18)
    Sándor jokingly admits he is lazy because of his love for automating repetitive tasks. However, this method has proven effective, revealing much about Sándor’s perspective on work.
    Lessons For the Listener (19:13)
    After his third opportunity, Sándor successfully transitioned into a law enforcement role. He initially started as a volunteer, but he was able to use his automation skills to gain respect, leading him to become a police officer finally.
    Life In the Academy (24:50)
    Sándor reveals the age at which he joined the police academy and what being a security leader and officer have in common. A deep understanding of people and an accurate perspective on life are crucial mindsets to carry into both fields.

    • 29 min
    Work Smarter: How to Empower Your Team and Yourself

    Work Smarter: How to Empower Your Team and Yourself

    In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve is joined again by guest Ash Hunt, Global CISO at Apex Group Ltd.
    Today, Ash shares how he transitioned from his career as a jazz musician into the vastly different world of cyber security. He also reveals his tips as a leader and a decision-maker. Listen to the episode to learn more about Ash’s unique professional journey, how security leaders inhibit their candidate search, and the secrets behind an empowered staff.
    Listen to Steve and Ash discuss the power of delegation and how to determine the best time to find a new role:
    Ash’s Return (1:39)
    Ash returns to the podcast to share how he achieved his cyber security start. Initially touring as a jazz musician in London, Ash acknowledges how his past has helped him with his current career.
    Fresh Challenges (10:13)
    Ash explains when to seek new challenges to avoid professional stagnation. 
    He believes that when a company gets more out of him than he is out of that company, it is time to move on. This mentality has helped him decide when to leave an opportunity for a fresh one.
    Being Creative (17:21)
    Steve and Ash discuss the impact that they can have on others early in their careers. Ash tries to expose his interns to the industry as much as possible because there are so many exciting things to do in tech.
    He believes leaders should be more creative when judging and developing talent. For Ash, creative compromise, persuasion, stakeholder management, and communication are skills that he considers when evaluating potential candidates. 
    Ownership and Delegation (22:01)
    While discussing the importance of enabling your staff, Ash asserts what makes an effective leader. Allowing your team to own their work and delegating tasks creates an empowered and productive company culture. 
    Evaluating Loss (26:37)
    Steve presses Ash on how he handles approaching inefficiencies at work, such as issues with AI, to the executive team. Ash’s answer is to follow the money and expose what people think is true, but it turns out to be the opposite.
    Loss is rarely tracked, but pinpointing those causes can benefit your organization.
    The Cost of a Breach (33:19)
    Staying on the topic of loss, Steve and Ash reflect on the vast cost of a data breach and inefficient client management. Although Ash acknowledges that technology will be able to solve these issues over time, there is no harm in prioritizing clear data reports now.
    New CISO (38:01)
    To Ash, being a new CISO means converging cyber with technology. Ultimately, it is about working smarter, not harder, as a team.

    • 41 min
    Change the Way You Think About Loss, Risk, and Revenue

    Change the Way You Think About Loss, Risk, and Revenue

    In this episode of The New CISO, Steve is joined by guest Ash Hunt, Global CISO at Apex Group Ltd.
    Today, Steve and Ash dive into the action of M&A (mergers and acquisitions) and how to conduct it well. As a CISO at one of the world’s largest administrators, Ash shares his valuable insight on loss, risk, and revenue generation in a constantly changing IT environment. Tune in to learn more about what causes loss during a merger, why decision management and risk management are one and the same, and the cultural changes in the security industry. 
    Listen to Steve and Ash discuss how to quantify loss and what jaywalking and cyber security have in common.
    Meet Ash (1:34)
    Ash shares that he is proud to work for a fast-moving organization that has expanded worldwide. This growth has led to an exciting time from a technology and cybersecurity perspective.
    Successful M&A (5:16)
    Steve presses Ash on how to conduct M&A successfully. What hurts a business during an acquisition is when there are breaks in infrastructure that get overlooked.
    Luckily for Ash, he has a strong team that prioritizes infrastructure integration to avoid loss and increase revenue.
    Things in Common (12:25)
    Ash reveals what jaywalking and risk have in common. For example, everyone in London jaywalks, but like in cyber security, there is a degree of risk. 
    Risk Management (15:10)
    According to Ash, risk management is decision management. Decision science is a critical part of Ash’s approach to security.
    Psychological barriers in the workplace halt optimal investment decisions that can generate revenue.
    Adding Value (25:36)
    Ash acknowledges that his most significant contribution toward his company is successfully integrating their infrastructure into one operating platform. He knows it will rationalize his tool stacks and clean up his budget, amongst other benefits.
    He has seen other companies experience operation inefficiency, access control failure, and inadvertent data disclosure, which he actively prevents.
    Changing the Operation Process (30:48)
    Steve and Ash marvel at the operational changes that need to be done in security. For example, many people still default to email versus a more secure portal for data exchange.
    In order to mitigate risk, cultural changes need to be made to operational processes. 

    • 34 min
    Keep Calm and Communicate Better: Advice for Young Managers

    Keep Calm and Communicate Better: Advice for Young Managers

    In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve is joined again by guest Ron Banks, CISO at Toyota Financial Services.
    In part two of his interview series, Ron shares his career advice for new cyber leaders. Listen to the episode to learn more about Ron’s take on China’s strategies, the importance of being inquisitive, and why we must be calm under chaos.
    Listen to Steve and Ron discuss key attributes CISOs look for in a young manager and the importance of communication and leadership:
    Where We Left Off (1:43)
    Piggy-backing from the last episode’s conversation, Ron explains the current state of our security concerning China and how they’ve recently gone dark. According to Ron, China has been playing 3D chess for a while and has found tangible ways to disrupt American life.
    A Shoutout To Ron (10:19)
    Steve gives a shoutout to Ron’s book, highlighting the state of American security and its relationship with China. Academic with numerous footnotes, Ron’s work provides readers with meaningful context related to cyber security.
    Valuable Advice (12:20)
    Ron reflects on the advice he wishes he could have given his younger self. He asserts that there is a path to cyber if you gain a technical foundation. He also shares how you need to be creative and curious to thrive in this industry.
    Evaluating Young Leaders (15:16)
    Steve presses Ron on how he evaluates young leaders in the security field. For the young manager, you must have the technical chops in addition to the personality.
    Managers need leadership and communication skills to inspire their teams. And, of course, practice makes perfect.
    Calm Communication (21:50)
    Ron and Steve discuss why leaders should practice calm communication. Leaders must put their teams at ease when there is chaos.
    New CISO (28:00)
    To Ron, being a new CISO means also being a business leader. Bridging the gap between the worlds is becoming more and more necessary as the world progresses.

    • 30 min
    Public-Private Partnership: How to Punish Bad Actors, Not Organizations

    Public-Private Partnership: How to Punish Bad Actors, Not Organizations

    In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve is joined by guest Ron Banks, CISO at Toyota Financial Services.
    In part one of his two-part interview, Ron shares how he transitioned from a fighter pilot to a cybersecurity leader. He also digs into what is required for a joint government, private industry, cyber offensive response. Listen to the episode to learn more about Ron’s years as a combat veteran, how the government can improve security strategies, and the necessity of political will.
    Listen to Steve and Ron discuss the importance of public-private partnerships and the challenges of posing consequences on adversaries:
    Meet Ron (1:35)
    Steve introduces guest Ron Banks, a CISO, author, veteran, and academic. Ron details his duties as a fighter pilot and how he transitioned to education and then cyber security.
    What He Misses Most (5:17)
    Ron shares that what he misses most about his fighter pilot days is the rush from flying. However, he found the transition into cyber security simple because he gets to evaluate offensive and defensive security strategies reminiscent of his time serving.
    Possible Friction (8:10)
    Steve presses Ron on whether there is friction between cyber teams, their capabilities, and the grounds they are trying to defend on the private side.
    Ron explains that the virtual defense of the United States contains over 200 government organizations, each controlling a different lane. The cyber camp mainly covers the DOD, which comes with problems. 
    On the Private Side (12:07)
    When discussing the lack of consequences for bad actors, Ron shares the great strides the FBI has made to improve their relationships with law enforcement in other countries. Despite these efforts, the behavior of cyber criminals has not changed enough, demonstrating that there is more our government can do.
    Things to Work On (17:54)
    Ron shares some advice for new security leaders working within the government. He suggests focusing on public/private partnerships because sharing information is critical.
    How Breach’s Occur (21:54)
    Ron discusses his tips for dealing with a breach and why they occur. There is a strategy where they can impose consequences on cyber criminals, which his team has accomplished by focusing on counter-terrorism.
    Ultimately, no more money needs to be invested, the relationships are built, and the technology is there, but there has to be the political will to defeat threat actors effectively.
    Advice to Lobby (29:01)
    Steve presses Ron on what it would take to lobby the government and get the necessary resources. Since the capability is there, Ron reaffirms that change is in the president’s control.

    • 35 min
    Why CISOs Need to be Champions of AI

    Why CISOs Need to be Champions of AI

    In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve is joined by guest Mani Masood, Head of Information Security and Applied AI at a prominent healthcare MSP.
    Also a professor and family man, Mani’s various life experiences shaped his impressive decades-long career. Today, he shares his insight on balancing education with experience and embracing AI as a security leader. Listen to the episode to learn more about Mani’s career and education journey, the importance of having real-world skills, and what inspired Mani to write a book.
    Listen to Steve and Mani discuss how to adapt to new technology advancements and if InfoSec professionals should champion AI:
    Meet Mani (1:35)
    Steve introduces guest Mani Masood, who has worked in the security industry for two decades. First, Mani started in IT before transitioning into Information Security. Now, AI has quickly become a significant component of his role.
    Mani shares a story when a college professor saw his nervousness before an exam and suggested he get a job. His professor assured him that getting real-world experience would be extremely valuable.
    Real World Expertise (6:49)
    Mani reflects on how getting a degree is not the be-all-end-all of getting a job. Often, employers want to know what you’re capable of, which comes from having tangible skills applicable to your field.
    He also explains to Steve why it took him six years to finish his education instead of four: because he was gaining real-world experience.
    Times Have Changed  (18:18)
    Steve asks Mani about his perspective on the famous quote, “For those who can’t do, teach.” As technology has changed, Mani shares that nowadays, what you can do is more important than doing things right or following the status quo. 
    The Time For AI (24:28)
    Like the tech boom, the AI era allows professionals to adjust to new advancements. Mani reveals that they have been trying to use artificial intelligence to solve InfoSec problems for some time, and this will become increasingly more possible as the tech matures. 
    Defending The Tech (28:49)
    Mani discusses why security leaders should support AI and champion the technology within their organizations. Since InfoSec professionals have been working with AI for years, they should inspire others to believe there is a way to interact safely with this tech.
    Mani’s Recommendations (32:18)
    Steve presses Mani on his recommendations for security leaders when supporting artificial intelligence. Mani suggests that these leaders become comfortable with the tech themselves.
    Every InfoSec tool now has some AI faction, so security leaders should learn as much as possible about its benefits before championing it. Ultimately, CISOs must do their homework to ease their organization’s worries and create the necessary safeguards.
    Writing A Book (41:32)
    Mani shares why he is writing a book and what drives this project. He was first inspired to do so by a conversation with his wife. He initially sought to write a guide for his children, which led him to write a guide for other professionals.
    The New CISO (48:23)
    To Mani, being a new CISO means dealing with a new crossroads with technology. Whether you’ve been in the business for a long time or are new to the role, you must adjust quickly, pivot, and learn with your team.

    • 51 min

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One of the best cyber resources

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One of the best podcast for current and aspiring security leaders.

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Whether you’re well established as someone innovating in the CISO role, or just getting started as a catalyst for change within your organization - this is a must-listen podcast for you! Steve does an incredible job leading conversations that cover a huge breadth of topics related to the ins and outs of navigating an ever changing data and compliance environment - from leaders who’ve actually walked the path. Highly recommend listening and subscribing!

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