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On, OoruLabs, India's premier urban issues podcast, Sathya Sankaran, Host of OoruLabs speaks with Arvind Balasubramaniam on complexity and wickedness of governance. They exchange thoughts with urban traffic and other issues as an anchor to understand complex systems. 



The conversation explores the concept of wicked problems in urban governance and the complexity of urban systems. It delves into the challenges of traffic congestion, the interrelated nature of wicked problems, and the values and interests at play. The discussion also covers the characteristics of complex systems, the emergence of properties, and the impact of individual decisions on the system as a whole. It addresses the moral and material complexities of urban governance, trade-offs in decision-making, and the need for diverse perspectives in decision-making processes.

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Keywords

wicked problems, urban governance, complexity, traffic congestion, values, interests, complex systems, emergence, decision-making, trade-offs, moral complexity, material complexity, diverse perspectives

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Takeaways

Understanding the concept of wicked problems and their interrelated nature in urban governance

Exploring the characteristics of complex systems and the impact of individual decisions on the system as a whole

Recognizing the moral and material complexities of urban governance and the need for diverse perspectives in decision-making processes

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Sound Bites

"Today's episode is a conversation that will not arrive at solutions to problems, but it will help us understand how to think about them."

"Wicked problems cannot be solved. They can only be responded to. They can only be engaged with, but they can't be solved."

"How do we make these trade-offs? Because there is a trade-off at all points in time when you make a solution."

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Timecodes

00:00 Understanding Wicked Problems and Urban Governance

05:19 Exploring the Characteristics of Complex Systems

08:15 The Moral and Material Complexities of Urban Governance

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On, OoruLabs, India's premier urban issues podcast, Sathya Sankaran, Host of OoruLabs and Susheel Nair of Artand address user comments on the recent episodes as a part pf the monthly ones roundup.



The conversation delves into the concept of freebies and public services, particularly focusing on the provision of free bus rides for women. It explores the distinction between private goods and public services, the impact of free transport on urban congestion, and the need for unbiased studies to evaluate the outcomes. The discussion also touches on the allocation of taxpayer money, the role of academia in neutral evaluation, and the importance of open data for informed decision-making.

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Keywords

freebies, public services, transportation, taxpayer money, urban congestion, academia, open data, unbiased studies

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Takeaways

The distinction between private goods and public services is crucial in evaluating the impact of freebies and discounts on public transport.

Unbiased studies and open data are essential for evaluating the outcomes of free transport initiatives and making informed decisions.

The allocation of taxpayer money and the need to pull the plug on ineffective schemes require neutral evaluation and transparency in decision-making.

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Timecodes

00:00 The Concept of Freebies and Public Services

07:13 Unbiased Evaluation and Open Data

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On, OoruLabs, India's premier urban issues podcast, Sathya Sankaran, Host of OoruLabs talks to Rajkumar Dugar of citizens for citizens about the feasibility of the tunnel road project, the benefits and challenges.



The conversation discusses the proposed tunnel road project in Bengaluru and evaluates its worthiness. The current traffic situation in the area is analyzed, revealing that the average time taken to travel between the Hebbal flyover and Mekri Circle is only 7 to 9 minutes. The estimated time to travel through the tunnel is 4 minutes, resulting in a gain of only 3 to 4 minutes. The cost of the tunnel is projected to be around 3,000 to 6,000 crores. The potential environmental impacts of the project, such as disruption of water tables and contamination of soil and water, are also highlighted. Several alternative projects that could alleviate traffic congestion in the area, including the metro, suburban rail, and road widening, are discussed. The lack of transparency and public consultation regarding the tunnel project is criticized, and the importance of considering the unintended consequences and long-term implications is emphasized.

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Keywords

Bengaluru, tunnel road, traffic congestion, travel time, cost, environmental impact, alternative projects, transparency

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Takeaways

The proposed tunnel road project in Bengaluru may not be worth the cost and potential environmental impacts.

The current traffic congestion in the area can be addressed through alternative projects such as the metro, suburban rail, and road widening.

Transparency and public consultation are crucial in making informed decisions about infrastructure projects.

Considering the unintended consequences and long-term implications is essential in evaluating the feasibility of such projects.

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Sound Bites

"The average time taken by vehicles to go both ways is 7 to 9 minutes, while the tunnel will take a minimum of 4 minutes."

"The cost of the tunnel is estimated to be around 3,000 to 6,000 crores."

"The potential environmental impacts include disruption of water tables and contamination of soil and water."

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Timecodes

00:00 Introduction to the Bengaluru tunnel road project

04:17 Evaluation of travel time and cost

10:14 Discussion on potential environmental impacts

35:09 Importance of transparency and public consultation

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On, OoruLabs, India's premier urban issues podcast, Sathya Sankaran, Host of OoruLabs talks to Venkata Chunduru, Director at Arcadis IBI who provides traffic management solutions among other things.



The avoidable cost of traffic congestion in major Indian cities is 1.44 lakh crore, which is 50% more than the government's budget for education infrastructure. Solving traffic congestion is a challenging problem due to the nature of governance in cities. However, it is solvable by enabling people to navigate through traffic without curbing their freedom. The challenges in vehicular traffic movement include unprecedented vehicle ownership, the way vehicles are used, infrastructure challenges, policy considerations, and enforcement. Multi-agency collaboration and public-private partnerships can help address these challenges. Technology can play a crucial role in solving traffic problems, but it should be seen as a means to an end and not an end in itself. The government needs to change its procurement methodology and involve consultants who are accountable for outcomes. People, process, system, infrastructure, and policy should be aligned to achieve the desired outcomes.

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Keywords

traffic congestion, governance, vehicle ownership, infrastructure, policy, enforcement, multi-agency collaboration, public-private partnerships, technology, procurement, outcomes

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Takeaways

The avoidable cost of traffic congestion in major Indian cities is significant and can be reduced through effective solutions.

Solving traffic congestion requires a holistic approach that addresses governance, vehicle ownership, infrastructure, policy, and enforcement.

Multi-agency collaboration and public-private partnerships are essential for addressing the challenges of traffic congestion.

Technology can play a crucial role in solving traffic problems, but it should be seen as a means to an end and not an end in itself.

The government needs to change its procurement methodology and involve consultants who are accountable for outcomes.

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Sound Bites

"1.44 lakh crore that is the avoidable cost of traffic congestion in just four major Indian cities"

"I don't think it is not solvable. See, the important point I always emphasize is that we need to actually look at how to enable people to navigate through these things without curbing their freedom."

"There are five core challenges in vehicular traffic movement: unprecedented vehicle ownership, the way vehicles are used, infrastructure challenges, policy considerations, and enforcement."

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Timecodes

00:00 Introduction and Cost of Traffic Congestion

02:19 The Solvability of Traffic Problems

07:41 Challenges in Vehicular Traffic Movement

16:22 The Importance of Public-Private Partnerships

23:20 Technology as a Means to an End

28:06 Changing Procurement Methodology for Better Outcomes

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On, OoruLabs, India's premier urban issues podcast, Sathya Sankaran, Host of OoruLabs talks to Sumana Narayan who worked on a report which documented the impact of the free bus scheme in Tamil Nadu while working at Citizen, consumer and civic action group. This is an absolutely eye opening interview. It opens my eyes to how women use the bus completely different from men. This is a must listen.



You can download the full report here https://www.cag.org.in/database/fair-fares-towards-gender-inclusive-public-transport 

The conversation explores the implementation and impact of free bus rides for women in Indian states. The study focuses on the Tamil Nadu government's fair free public transport scheme for women. The findings reveal that women were able to save money and invest it in their families' well-being. The scheme also provided women with greater mobility and access to job opportunities. However, there was backlash from some men who felt it was unfair and a burden on the exchequer. The study suggests that the scheme has multiple benefits, including improved nutrition, healthcare, and women's empowerment. The conversation explores the challenges and potential solutions related to the implementation of free bus services for women in India. The main themes discussed include the inadequate fleet strength, overcrowding, poor frequency, and lack of disabled-friendly buses. The need for better data collection and analysis to improve services and address the specific travel patterns of women is emphasized. The complexity of the current ticketing system and the potential benefits of simplifying fare structures are also highlighted. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the financial viability of public transport systems and the importance of budgeting for long-term sustainability.

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Keywords

free bus rides, women, socio-economic participation, mobility, public transport, Tamil Nadu, impact, savings, investment, job opportunities, backlash, benefits, nutrition, healthcare, women's empowerment, free bus services, women, fleet strength, overcrowding, frequency, data collection, fare structures, financial viability

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Timecodes

00:00 Introduction: Free Bus Rides for Women in Indian States

02:36 Motivation for the Study: Understanding the Success of the Scheme

05:26 Methodology: Surveying Women Across Six Cities in Tamil Nadu

09:38 Findings: Savings, Investment, and Impact on Women's Lives

11:30 Backlash and Debates: Fairness and Burden on the Exchequer

15:14 Impact on Women's Mobility and Access to Job Opportunities

21:18 Balancing the Argument: Benefits Beyond Economic Quantification

23:17 Broader Benefits: Nutrition, Healthcare, and Women's Empowerment

25:13 Conclusion: Need for Further Study and Future Considerations

27:35 Challenges of Inadequate Fleet Strength and Overcrowding

29:01 The Need for Better Data Collection and Analysis

33:21 Simplifying Fare Structures for Accessibility and Affordability

46:30 Budgeting for Long-Term Financial Viability

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On, OoruLabs, India's premier urban issues podcast, Sathya Sankaran, Host of OoruLabs and Susheel Nair of Artand discuss the heat wave sweeping across the country. What did we do wrong and where do we go from here?



The conversation discusses the current heatwave in Bengaluru and the factors contributing to it. It highlights the urban heat island effect caused by the city's infrastructure and consumerism. The speakers emphasize the need for citizens to take action in mitigating the heat and reducing their environmental footprint. They suggest measures such as using energy-efficient devices, reducing waste, and increasing green cover. They also discuss the role of the government in incentivizing sustainable practices and recognizing citizen initiatives. The conversation concludes with a call for collective action and a hope for change.

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Keywords

heatwave, Bengaluru, urban heat island effect, infrastructure, consumerism, citizen action, environmental footprint, energy efficiency, waste reduction, green cover, government role, sustainable practices

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Takeaways

The urban heat island effect in Bengaluru is caused by the city's infrastructure and consumerism, leading to a prolonged heatwave.

Citizens can take action to mitigate the heat and reduce their environmental footprint by using energy-efficient devices, reducing waste, and increasing green cover.

The government should incentivize sustainable practices and recognize citizen initiatives to create positive change.

Collective action is necessary to address the heat crisis and create a more sustainable future.

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Sound Bites

"We have to start controlling the way we are engineering our cities and weather."

"Air conditioners are not a solution, we are running and buying it now because that is being sold as a solution."

"We need to start understanding that our ability to live a less resource-intensive life is the only way to make a positive impact on the environment."

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Timecodes

00:00 Introduction and the Heatwave in Bengaluru

08:15 Understanding the Urban Heat Island Effect

24:36 Citizen Action to Mitigate the Heat

35:08 The Government's Role in Incentivizing Sustainable Practices

40:23 The Need for Collective Action

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