The PlayFull Podcast with Kristine Michie: Bringing Fun to the Serious Work of Changing the World

Kristine Michie

Whether you’re ladling soup at a local shelter or attending a UN Peace Conference, those who devote their lives to the service of others are often exhausted and in need of a little break. Welcome to the PlayFull Podcast, bringing fun to the serious work of changing the world. I’m Kristine Michie, myself 5 decades into trying to make the world a better place. Join PlayFull as we meet movement builders from around the world and learn about the problems they’re solving, the systems they’re disrupting, and the ways they take breaks in the midst of it all.

  1. 6d ago

    How To Series – HOW TO REFRAME MIDLIFE WITH CHIP CONLEY: Becoming a “Wise Beginner” through Reframing Midlife as a Second Adulthood

    In this episode of The PlayFull Podcast, Kristine Michie is joined by Chip Conley, author, hospitality pioneer, and founder of the Modern Elder Academy (MEA). Together, they explore treating your 40s, 50s, and 60s (and beyond) as the start of a vibrant "second adulthood." Chip reveals how pairing wisdom with a "wise beginner's" mind creates room for personal flourishing and impact. From navigating burnout to unlocking leadership through vulnerability, humor, and play, this conversation offers a roadmap for opening your aperture and redefining how we age, lead, and love life in the long haul. Key Takeaways: Midlife can be a time of profound flourishing when people intentionally harvest their wisdom and pair it with a beginner’s mind.Curiosity, learning new things, and being willing to be a “kook” are strongly correlated with health and happiness later in life.Play and imagination help leaders step out of overthinking and into a wider field of perception, which often leads to more innovative solutions.Vulnerability from senior leaders is essential if teams are going to feel safe enough to play, experiment, and take creative risks together.Sustainable social justice work depends on self-care, mutual care, humor, and the ability to reframe difficult seasons without bypassing the pain.You don’t have to sacrifice joy to make a serious impact—play and fun are essential tools for waking up to your second adulthood. "Getting used to the idea of trying something new and being curious are two of the 10 most correlated variables for people who are healthy and happy later in life." — Chip Conley "For many of us, when we're really struggling with something… we sort of double down on our brain… and that doesn't usually work because it actually means you get more intensely focused on something, and sometimes you need to open the aperture." — Chip Conley "Get out of the box you have created for yourself… play is a natural pathway to doing that, partly because it forces you to get out of your brain and to exercise other parts of yourself." — Chip Conley Episode References:  The Midlife Chrysalis Podcast: https://www.meawisdom.com/podcast/ Sept 10-13 – MEA 3-Day Deep Dive on Play and Storytelling: https://www.meawisdom.com/workshop/the-power-of-play-unlock-your-story-purpose-for-whats-next-sept/ About Chip Conley: Chip Conley is on a midlife mission. After disrupting the hospitality industry twice, first as the founder of Joie de Vivre Hospitality, the second-largest operator of boutique hotels in the U.S., and then as Airbnb’s Head of Global Hospitality and Strategy, leading a worldwide revolution in travel, Conley co-founded MEA (Modern Elder Academy) in January 2018 in Baja California, Mexico. Inspired by his experience of intergenerational mentoring as a ‘modern elder’ at Airbnb, where his guidance was instrumental to the company’s extraordinary transformation from fast-growing start-up to the world’s most valuable hospitality brand, MEA is the world's first ‘midlife wisdom school’ and opened a campus in 2024 on a 2,600-acre regenerative horse ranch in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Dedicated to reframing the concept of aging, MEA supports students to navigate midlife with a renewed sense of purpose and possibility. TIME magazine honored MEA as one of the 100 Greatest Places to Visit in 2024. A New York Times bestselling author, Conley has authored eight books, given three TED talks, has a daily Wisdom Well blog, and a weekly podcast, The Midlife Chrysalis, which has included a wide variety of guests from Maria Shriver to Arthur Brooks to Elizabeth Gilbert to Rich Roll. Connect with Chip Conley: Website: meawisdom.com  Social Media: @chipconley Substack: chipconley.substack.com  Connect with Kristine: The PlayFull Podcast Review Website  Instagram LinkedIn Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.  Sign up for Kristine's Elder Academy workshop The Power of Play in Santa Fe, NM, Sept 10-13. https://www.meawisdom.com/workshop/the-power-of-play-unlock-your-story-purpose-for-whats-next-sept/

    How To Series – HOW TO REFRAME MIDLIFE WITH CHIP CONLEY: Becoming a “Wise Beginner” through Reframing Midlife as a Second Adulthood

  2. Jul 30

    How To Series – HOW TO WRITE A NOVEL with Brian Schaefer: Weaving Dance, Politics, and Place into a Powerful Story About Community and Loyalty

    In this episode of The PlayFull Podcast, Kristine Michie is joined by Brian Schaefer, a cultural journalist, former dance critic, and author of the debut novel Town & Country (Atria Books, 2025). Together, they explore the playful and nonlinear path from dance studios and arts journalism to creative writing, revealing how movement, rhythm, and play inform the craft of storytelling. Brian shares how, as a part-time Hudson Valley resident, he spent six years refining a multi-draft novel set in a swing district town, offering deep insights on writing across lines of difference, navigating the ethics of place and community, and treating the first draft as raw material to unlock authentic, compassionate narrative journeys. Key Takeaways: When putting pen to paper, the initial draft offers but a glimpse of your capacity. The real work lies in returning to the story draft after draft to unearth clarity, precision, and depth.Treating the writing process like a dance studio—generating freely and without preciousness before shaping and refining—relieves pressure and opens the door to playful discovery on the page.Narrative grounded in real swing-district dynamics and geographic tensions serves as a powerful mirror for self-examination, forcing us to examine what we owe our neighbors and communities.Crafting characters with unfamiliar perspectives requires humility, research, and active listening, ultimately expanding empathy for both the writer and the reader.Setting low-stakes, finite challenges—such as writing a novel draft in a single month—can lower inhibition and kickstart a project that later evolves into a polished, long-term work.You don’t have to write about politics to write about politics. Let the story do its work. "The first thing that you write is not even close to what the final product will be... but if you take the time and you have the patience and you do the work to stay with the story and to continue to refine it, you will get it there. It will arrive." — Brian Schaefer "So much of this book is about examining our obliviousness, and the way that you address that is to really pay attention to what others around you are experiencing, what they're saying, listening to that, and trying to understand it." — Brian Schaefer "My job right now is to play and to generate the material and to find what the story is and who these characters are and what I want to say with it, and that is something that I'm going to unearth draft after draft after draft, and it'll take as long as it needs to take." — Brian Schaefer Episode References:  Town & Country: A Novel, by Brian Schaefer. https://www.brian-schaefer.com/town-and-country  About Brian Schaefer: Brian Schaefer contributed regularly to The New York Times for over a decade and has written for The New Yorker, New York magazine, and more. He is a recipient of a National Endowment for the Arts Fellowship in Arts Journalism and was a finalist for the Livingston Award for International Reporting. He earned his master’s degree in creative writing from Bar-Ilan University in Tel Aviv. He and his husband live in New York City and the Hudson Valley. Town & Country is his first novel. Connect with Brian Schaefer:  Website: https://www.brian-schaefer.com  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/itsbrianschaefer/ Connect with Kristine: The PlayFull Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-playfull-podcast-with-kristine-michie-bringing-fun/id1676838213?action=write-review Website: https://www.impactfullinc.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/impactfull_inc LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristine-breese-michie/  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. Sign up for Kristine's Elder Academy workshop The Power of Play in Santa Fe, NM, Sept 10-13. https://www.meawisdom.com/workshop/the-power-of-play-unlock-your-story-purpose-for-whats-next-sept/

    How To Series – HOW TO WRITE A NOVEL with Brian Schaefer: Weaving Dance, Politics, and Place into a Powerful Story About Community and Loyalty

  3. Jul 23

    How To Series: JD Schramm: How to Tell Your Story

    In this episode of The PlayFull Podcast, Kristine Michie is joined by JD Schramm, an expert in communication and storytelling for nonprofit and philanthropic leaders. Together, they explore how to turn typical "we’re so busy" organizational updates into unforgettable narrative journeys that actually move people to care, give, and get involved. JD shares practical storytelling frameworks, vivid examples, and the essential mindset shifts required to inspire genuine action without slipping into manipulation or "charity porn." Key Takeaways: The difference between “just talking” and telling a story is intention—knowing the finish line you want your audience to arrive at and crafting a journey that takes them there.Storytelling in the social impact space works best when the goal is to create genuine impact in the listener, not to manipulate them into giving or volunteering.In nonprofit storytelling, focusing on impact over activity (what actually changes for people, communities, or the planet) is far more powerful than listing how busy the organization has been.Follow JD’s simple storytelling framework with four prompts to deliver a classic story: 1) “once upon a time …” 2) “then one day …” 3) “because of that …” 4) “until now…” Too much context, too many details, and an overreliance on statistics are common pitfalls; concise, well-chosen stories that spotlight beneficiaries’ voices are far more memorable. "A well-crafted story that's going to have impact is one that is not over-engineered, but we know the finish line that we want the audience to arrive at, and we craft the story in a way to be able to take them there." — JD Schramm "We've got to remember that impact is greater than activity." — JD Schramm "We are always going to be most drawn to the shorter, more concise story. Sometimes a storyteller can just go on too long, and it becomes more about them than the audience and the impact." — JD Schramm Episode References:  Students Run LA - srla.orgOne Mind Accelerator - onemind.org/what-we-do/one-mind-acceleratorEpilepsy Foundation’s Venture Fund - epilepsy.com/strategy/venture-fundSkoll World Forum - skoll.org/skoll-world-forumPattern Breakers by Mike Maples Jr. - patternbreakers.comThe Art of Gathering by Priya Parker - priyaparker.com/the-art-of-gathering About JD Schramm: JD Schramm is a leadership communication expert, keynote speaker, and educator with more than 25 years of experience coaching founders, executives, scientists, and educators. He created and led the communication programs at the Stanford Graduate School of Business and currently teaches graduate students at the USC Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism. He is the author of Communicate with Mastery: Speak with Conviction and Write for Impact, a practical field guide for organizational leaders looking to drive change. Drawing from his own life experiences, including surviving a 2003 suicide attempt, he is also a dedicated advocate for mental health and suicide prevention, working to help individuals and organizations move past simple competence to achieve true communication mastery. Connect with JD Schramm:  Website: https://www.jdschramm.com/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jdschramm/  Substack: https://jdschramm.substack.com/  JD's Newsletter: https://www.jdschramm.com/newsletter  The Power of Play (MEA 3-Day Deep Dive): https://www.meawisdom.com/workshop/the-power-of-play-unlock-your-story-purpose-for-whats-next-sept/  Connect with Kristine: The PlayFull Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-playfull-podcast-with-kristine-michie-bringing-fun/id1676838213?action=write-review Website: https://www.impactfullinc.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/impactfull_inc LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristine-breese-michie/  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.  Sign up for Kristine's Elder Academy workshop The Power of Play in Santa Fe, NM, Sept 10-13. https://www.meawisdom.com/workshop/the-power-of-play-unlock-your-story-purpose-for-whats-next-sept/

    How To Series: JD Schramm: How to Tell Your Story

  4. Jul 16

    YTD - Best Of 2026: Nikki Dinh, Iman Mills Gordon & Ericka Stallings: From Equity to Liberatory Leadership

    In this special episode of The PlayFull Podcast, we’re revisiting a conversation between Kristine Michie and Nikki Dinh, Iman Mills Gordon, and Ericka Stallings from the Leadership Learning Community (LLC). Together, they explore the shift from standard equity work toward a deeper vision of liberatory leadership—moving past making unjust systems better to building ones that are truly life-giving and just. Part of the YTD – Best of 2026 series, the episode highlights LLC’s focus on network-building and collective learning, sharing how joy, play, and community care sustain leaders on the journey toward collective liberation. Key Takeaways: Liberatory leadership shifts the goal from improving unjust systems to building new systems rooted in freedom, justice, and collective flourishing.Equity work remains important, but it is reframed as part of the pathway toward liberation rather than the final destination.Leadership Learning Community operates as a learning organization that prioritizes experimentation, curiosity, and collaboration.Network thinking, including practices like “closing triangles,” helps connect people working toward shared goals who might otherwise never meet.Play and joy are not distractions from justice work but essential practices that help activate creativity, connection, and resilience.The current moment includes a crisis of trust across institutions, communities, and within ourselves, making relationship-centered leadership more critical than ever.Spaces for collective learning and shared experience help leaders remember they are not alone and reconnect with purpose. "Our hope for the world is more human-centered connections - and more joyful human-centered connections." — Nikki Dinh "Even in hard times, that practice of dreaming and building together can feed us and move us toward the world we want to see." — Iman Mills Gordon "If you take something crappy and make it less crappy, it’s still crappy. Liberatory leadership shifts the goal—we’re not just making things less harmful, we’re working toward a liberated future." — Ericka Stallings Episode References:  Leadership Learning Community – https://leadershiplearning.org  Network Weaver – https://networkweaver.com  About Nikki Dinh: Nikki Dinh is a leader at the Leadership Learning Community focused on community-driven solutions and liberatory leadership. Raised in a Vietnamese immigrant community in California, her background in legal aid, philanthropy, and nonprofits reflects her belief that communities are best positioned to solve their own challenges. About Iman Mills Gordon: Iman Mills Gordon, from Oakland, California, brings a lifelong commitment to collective liberation shaped by family, community, and generational wisdom. At LLC, she helps strengthen liberatory leadership through collaboration, experimentation, and the principles of love and joy. About Ericka Stallings: Ericka Stallings, from Queens, New York, developed her commitment to justice through observing inequities across communities. At LLC, she cultivates spaces for leaders to grow and align their work with their values. She previously supported organizing and advocacy efforts across New York City. Connect with Nikki Dinh, Iman Mills Gordon, and Ericka Stallings:  Website: https://leadershiplearning.org/  Connect with Kristine: The PlayFull Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-playfull-podcast-with-kristine-michie-bringing-fun/id1676838213?action=write-review Website: https://www.impactfullinc.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/impactfull_inc LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristine-breese-michie/  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

    YTD - Best Of 2026: Nikki Dinh, Iman Mills Gordon & Ericka Stallings: From Equity to Liberatory Leadership

  5. Jul 9

    YTD - Best Of 2026: Aparna Rae: We’re Sick at Work – and Why This Matters

    In this special episode of The PlayFull Podcast, we’re revisiting a powerful conversation between Kristine Michie and equity and workplace strategist Aparna Rae. Together, they unpack the systemic issues shaping modern work, from normalized burnout to the ways workplaces condition people to accept hierarchy and surveillance. Exposing the contradictions within philanthropy and "progressive" spaces, this feature from the YTD – Best of 2026 series highlights collective action and reimagining labor to discover joy as a byproduct of real systemic change. Key Takeaways: Treating seriousness as the only form of professionalism strips work of humanity and makes justice work harder to sustain.“Joy” is often used as branding by institutions that fail to deliver material change, especially around wages and benefits.Nostalgia for a “better past” often reflects privilege, overlooking harm experienced by marginalized groups.Workplaces condition people to accept authoritarianism, surveillance, and class hierarchy.Transforming work is essential to protecting democracy, as people cannot practice freedom in society if they are denied it at work.Real change requires collective organizing, boundary-setting, and letting go of the belief that progress comes without personal cost.Burnout is not a badge of honor, but a signal that systems are broken.Joy is not superficial; it is a practice tied to building a more just and livable future. "Nothing changes unless we're willing to change our relationship to work. And we have to stop being proud of how tired we are, how burnt out we are." — Aparna Rae "I would say the real practice of joy is being able to reimagine a future and taking actions to actually make that a reality." — Aparna Rae "The invitation is to be honest with yourself. The invitation is to think about what's possible, not just for you, but for everybody else that's on this planet." — Aparna Rae Episode References:  Circle Back Club – https://circleback.club We Have Never Been Woke: The Cultural Contradictions of a New Elite - https://bookshop.org/p/books/we-have-never-been-woke-the-cultural-contradictions-of-a-new-elite-musa-al-gharbi/34b76557eb96d043What Your Comfort Costs Us: How Women of Color Reimagine Leadership to Transform Workplace Culture - https://www.amazon.com/What-Your-Comfort-Costs-Leadership/dp/B0D9JFX13W About Aparna Rae: Aparna Rae is a leader and advocate focused on advancing equity and transforming workplace culture. With experience across philanthropy, nonprofits, and tech, her work sits at the intersection of social impact and organizational change. As host of Circle Back Club, she worked with over 60 organizations to shift more than $300 million in grantmaking toward BIPOC-led and Global South organizations. She has also contributed to the tech sector as a product lead and advisor, including developing India’s first online teacher education platform, Firki. Aparna co-founded Future for Us, supporting 20,000 women of color across multiple cities, and has led initiatives that resulted in millions in pay increases for frontline workers. She continues to advise mission-driven organizations and advocate for more equitable systems of work. Connect with Aparna Rae:  Website: https://www.aparnarae.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/appyrae  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aparnarae/ Connect with Kristine: The PlayFull Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-playfull-podcast-with-kristine-michie-bringing-fun/id1676838213?action=write-review Website: https://www.impactfullinc.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/impactfull_inc LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristine-breese-michie/  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

    YTD - Best Of 2026: Aparna Rae: We’re Sick at Work – and Why This Matters

  6. Jul 2

    YTD - Best Of 2026: Phil Buchanan: Backing Nonprofits and Pushing Philanthropy

    In this rewind episode of The PlayFull Podcast, Kristine Michie speaks with Center for Effective Philanthropy CEO Phil Buchanan about how trust-based philanthropy, moral responsibility, and resilience support the nonprofit sector. They discuss challenges like funding cuts and rising demand, and the need for intentional donor investment in both people and programs. Part of the YTD – Best of 2026 series, the episode highlights how joy and determination can sustain meaningful systems change. Key Takeaways: Personal resilience matters: relationships, time outdoors, and restorative practices help leaders sustain energy amid high-stress work.Organizational joy and low-stakes fun build infrastructure: playful team-building and celebrations maintain morale and strengthen commitment.Imagination must have guardrails: reimagining systems is important, but dismantling effective programs too quickly puts life-saving infrastructure at risk.Privilege carries responsibility: those with safety and influence should assess what risks they can take to act meaningfully in the moment.Faith and values can guide action: spiritual and values-driven networks play key roles in social movements and philanthropy, often overlooked by progressives.Action is broader than money: showing up, leveraging skills, networks, and voice can drive impact even without titles or financial resources.Circles of control, influence, and concern help focus efforts: identify what you can directly affect, where you have sway, and the larger issues you share with others. "A lot of nonprofits that are providing vital services… aren't going to be there anymore, and who's going to suffer? People in those communities. And so I think we will have to step up." — Phil Buchanan "We have to protect what we can that’s good and important, even as we try to imagine a better future." — Phil Buchanan "Everybody's got different assets… Take stock of what those are, what you can do, and then do the thing." — Phil Buchanan About Phil Buchanan: Phil Buchanan, president of CEP, is a leading advocate for effective philanthropy and a strong nonprofit sector. Since becoming CEP’s first chief executive in 2001, he has helped build the organization into a major source of data and insight on philanthropic effectiveness. He is the author of Giving Done Right: Effective Philanthropy and Making Every Dollar Count, named Inside Philanthropy’s “Best Philanthropy Book of the Year” in 2019, and co-hosts the Giving Done Right podcast with Grace Nicolette. Phil also writes for the CEP Blog, has published op-eds in The New York Times and Financial Times, and speaks widely on philanthropy. He co-founded YouthTruth, a CEP initiative focused on using student feedback to improve K–12 education. In 2016, he was named Nonprofit Times “Influencer of the Year” and has been repeatedly included in its “Power and Influence Top 50.” Phil has served on several nonprofit boards and currently chairs the Institute for Nonprofit Practice. Born in Toronto and raised in Portland, Oregon, he graduated from Wesleyan University and earned an MBA from Harvard Business School. Connect with Phil Buchanan:  Website: https://cep.org/, https://givingdoneright.org/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-center-for-effective-philanthropy Connect with Kristine: The PlayFull Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-playfull-podcast-with-kristine-michie-bringing-fun/id1676838213?action=write-review Website: https://www.impactfullinc.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/impactfull_inc LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristine-breese-michie/  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

    YTD - Best Of 2026: Phil Buchanan: Backing Nonprofits and Pushing Philanthropy

  7. Jun 25

    YTD - Best Of 2026: Liberation through Reading & Writing with Reginald Dwayne Betts

    In this special episode of The PlayFull Podcast, we’re revisiting one of our most popular episodes. Kristine Michie sits down with poet, lawyer, and advocate Reginald Dwayne Betts to explore how joy, words, and access to stories fuel liberation and resilience in social justice work. From his MacArthur Fellowship to Freedom Reads (the nonprofit he started that brings brand new “Freedom Edition” books and custom bookcases into prisons), Betts invites listeners to rethink how language, joy, and serious work intertwine. Part of our YTD - Best of 2026 series, this episode underscores how imagination and care can reshape systems and sustain movement building. Key Takeaways: Words can harm or heal depending on use. Poetry and law offer parallel tools to shape reality and advocate for change. Mindful language uplifts, teaches, and connects.Writing toward joy transforms sorrow into continuity. His most recent book, Doggerel, shows how personal struggle coexists with delight.Freedom Reads builds and delivers beautiful, brand-new, curated libraries. Placing them centrally in prison cell blocks to encourage daily engagement with books and community. Accessible books foster hope and possibility. Flexible formats and early access to first-edition books make serious thought and beauty available to those inside.Accountability, care, and early mentorship shaped Betts’ teaching and advocacy. Prison experiences revealed the power of education and word-sharing. Recognition, like the MacArthur Fellowship, provided space for creative risk and initiative expansion. Integrating poetry, performance, and Freedom Reads strengthens multiple identities. Strategic scaling multiplies impact. "The Freedom Library is this belief that you can bring joy into a space through a built object… freedom begins with a book, and that’s freedom for everybody." — Reginald Dwayne Betts "I was writing Doggerel while all of those things were happening, and I feel like easily this is the most joyous collection of poems I’ve written… not because they avoid sorrow, but because they recognize that sorrow is part of a continuum of life." — Reginald Dwayne Betts "Sometimes we think our joy is trivial… I wanted to push back against that, to put joy in a really serious context." — Reginald Dwayne Betts About Reginald Dwayne Betts: Reginald Dwayne Betts is a poet and lawyer. A 2021 MacArthur Fellow, he is the Executive Director of Freedom Reads, a not-for-profit organization transforming access to literature in prisons through the installation of Freedom Libraries nationwide. For more than twenty years, he has used poetry and essays to explore prison, violence, and incarceration’s impact on American society. The author of a memoir and three poetry collections, he adapted his American Book Award–winning Felon into a solo theater work examining post-incarceration life and the enduring consequences of a criminal record through poetry, story, and the art of paper-making. In 2019, Betts won the National Magazine Award for Essays and Criticism for a New York Times Magazine piece chronicling his journey from prison to becoming a licensed attorney. His honors include fellowships from Radcliffe, Guggenheim, New America, and Aspen. He holds a J.D. from Yale Law School. Connect with Reginald Dwayne Betts:  Website: https://www.dwaynebetts.com  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freedombeginswithabook/  Connect with Kristine: The PlayFull Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-playfull-podcast-with-kristine-michie-bringing-fun/id1676838213?action=write-review Website: https://www.impactfullinc.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/impactfull_inc LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristine-breese-michie/  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.

    YTD - Best Of 2026: Liberation through Reading & Writing with Reginald Dwayne Betts

  8. Jun 18

    Philip Eubanks & Saul Levin: Building a Playful, Courageous Movement for Climate Resistance

    In this episode, Kristine speaks with philanthropist Philip Eubanks and grantee Saul Levin about how disruptive, nonviolent climate protests are reshaping activism. From throwing soup on artworks to halting data center projects, they discuss how organizers, funders, and communities are using imagination, research, and courage to shift the Overton window on climate action. Key Takeaways: Strategic funding of nonviolent, disruptive climate activism can accelerate change more than traditional advocacy, especially when it supports experimentation and risk-taking.Data center conflicts are a strong entry point because they make abstract issues like AI, big tech, and resource use more concrete at the community level.Young organizers often push further because they are less constrained by assumptions about what is “possible,” helping build momentum where institutions stall.High-visibility disruptive acts may seem extreme in isolation, but can be effective when they follow sustained ignored efforts and are informed by public opinion dynamics.Storytelling platforms such as journalism, radio, and podcasts also act as organizing tools by linking local struggles, spreading tactics, and expanding collective imagination. "There is no press freedom on a dead planet." — Philip Eubanks "This is a pivotal moment in history. The tech oligarchs are racing against each other for control over everything, and the other side of the race is everyone else, regardless of politics or exactly what we believe in, saying people should control this, not seven guys in California." — Saul Levin Episode References:  Literature Review Discussion Paper with Social Change Lab Saul’s Op-Ed in The Guardian (with Astra Taylor)Just Stop Oil: https://juststopoil.org Committee to Protect Journalists: https://cpj.org AFL‑CIO: https://aflcio.org The HUM Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-hum/id1895877050- (stories and inspiration from the Data Center frontlines) Turning the Data Center Fight into a Mass Movement - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjjkkD2qLHM&feature=youtu.be  About Philip Eubanks: Executive Director of the Climate Emergency Fund, with over a decade of experience in international development, human rights, and fundraising. He has worked with organizations including the Peace Corps, a papal humanitarian agency, and the Committee to Protect Journalists, where he helped raise tens of millions of dollars. He focuses on funding disruptive, nonviolent climate activism to drive large-scale change. Connect with Philip Eubanks:  Website: https://www.climateemergencyfund.org/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eubanksp/  Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/moonlightmvmt.bsky.social  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/climateemergencyfund  About Saul Levin: Founder, The Moonlight Project Saul is a union organizer and policy expert who co-founded the Congressional Workers Union and served as a Policy Advisor to Congresswomen Deb Haaland and Cori Bush. While on Capitol Hill, he drafted multiple laws directing hundreds of millions of dollars toward climate and public transit. He is also a member of the Climate Resistance Incubator team.  Connect with Saul Levin:  Website: https://www.climatejusticecenter.org/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saul-levin-8371b2128/  Connect with Kristine: The PlayFull Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-playfull-podcast-with-kristine-michie-bringing-fun/id1676838213?action=write-review Website: https://www.impactfullinc.com/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/impactfull_inc LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristine-breese-michie/  Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.  Sign up for Kristine's Elder Academy workshop The Power of Play in Santa Fe, NM, Sept 10-13. https://www.meawisdom.com/workshop/the-power-of-play-unlock-your-story-purpose-for-whats-next-sept/

    Philip Eubanks & Saul Levin: Building a Playful, Courageous Movement for Climate Resistance
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Whether you’re ladling soup at a local shelter or attending a UN Peace Conference, those who devote their lives to the service of others are often exhausted and in need of a little break. Welcome to the PlayFull Podcast, bringing fun to the serious work of changing the world. I’m Kristine Michie, myself 5 decades into trying to make the world a better place. Join PlayFull as we meet movement builders from around the world and learn about the problems they’re solving, the systems they’re disrupting, and the ways they take breaks in the midst of it all.

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