The Stacking Benjamins Show

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Named the Best Personal Finance Podcast by Bankrate.com and Kiplinger, The Stacking Benjamins Show features a light and friendly tone. Hosts Joe Saul-Sehy and OG aim to make financial literacy fun for all as they sit around the card table in Joe's Mom's half-finished basement and talk with experts about personal finance, saving, investing, and important money trends. As Fast Company once wrote, the Stacking Benjamins podcast "strikes a great balance of fun and functional." So join Joe and OG every Monday, Wednesday and Friday as they read your letters, discuss major headlines, and throw in some trivia and laughs for free.

  1. Mrs. Dow Jones on How to Become a Future Rich Person (Without Giving Up Your Life) SB1835

    1D AGO

    Mrs. Dow Jones on How to Become a Future Rich Person (Without Giving Up Your Life) SB1835

    Haley Sacks didn't grow up knowing what a 401k was. She was nannying for a kid named Winthrop on the Upper East Side, doing comedy at night, and getting paid cash under the table. Then she sat in an HR meeting and her eyes glazed over -- and she decided that was the last time she'd be caught unprepared with her own money. Today she's Mrs. Dow Jones, with millions of followers and a new book. The basement finally got her in the chair, and she did not hold back. What You'll Walk Away With The "future rich person" framework -- what separates people quietly building wealth from everyone else performing it Why the biggest wealth trap isn't overspending -- it's the psychological pull of looking rich before you are How automation is the real secret behind Haley's path to millionaire status -- and why willpower alone was never going to get her there The action movie analogy that finally makes the debt-versus-investing debate make sense -- and which one you tackle first Why your fixed expenses might be the actual problem -- and the two levers you can pull when the math doesn't work The "money date" habit that keeps Haley on track -- and how to make it something you'll actually do every month What a mise en place approach to your finances looks like -- and the four accounts every future rich person needs in place before anything else Why cutting spending has a floor but earning more doesn't -- and how to think creatively about your income ceiling The mortgage volatility conversation hiding in this episode -- including OG's take on where rates actually belong historically and why "date the rate" might be the most useful three words in real estate right now Why comparison is derailing more financial plans than bad investments ever could Why This Matters Now If you're in your 40s and you still feel like the millionaire milestone belongs to someone else's story -- someone who started earlier, earned more, or just had better instincts -- this episode is a direct challenge to that belief. Haley Sacks didn't have better instincts. She had a glazed-over HR meeting and a determination not to be caught unprepared twice. The foundation she built after that moment is exactly what she walks through today. From the Basement Mrs. Dow Jones herself -- Haley Sacks -- finally makes it down the stairs and does not disappoint. Joe and OG close the episode with a Wall Street Journal headline on mortgage rate volatility and what it actually means for anyone trying to buy, move, or refinance right now. OG lands what may be the cleanest take of the season: when should you borrow money? When you need to borrow money. Doug arrives with Dow Jones trivia about the longest-tenured company in the index, which turns out to have been added in 1932 and is hiding in plain sight on every household shelf. Whether the basement scoreboard had anything to do with Procter & Gamble is a question best answered with your earbuds in. Resources Mentioned Future Rich Person by Haley Sacks (Mrs. Dow Jones) -- pre-order with $700 in bonuses at mrsdowjones.com/book; releases May 12th Mrs. Dow Jones on Instagram and YouTube -- @MrsDowJones Mrs. Dow Jones podcast -- Financial Therapy Wall Street Journal mortgage volatility article by Veronica Dagher and Ben Eisen -- linked at stackingbenjamins.com Stacking Benjamins Vault -- stackingbenjamins.com/vault Stacking Benjamins Meetups -- stackingbenjamins.com/bad Stacking Benjamins Community -- stackingbenjamins.com/basement FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/interview-with-mrs-dow-jones-1835 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    1h 7m
  2. 3D AGO

    Index Investing 101: Stop Picking Funds and Start Building the Mix That Actually Works (SB1834)

    Most investors spend their energy asking the wrong question. It's not which fund is best -- it's which combination of funds gets you to your actual goal at a cost and complexity level you'll actually maintain. Joe and OG break down the full index investing playbook: where to start, when to add complexity, what Wall Street calls indexing that really isn't, and the one number that should change how you think about your entire portfolio. What You'll Walk Away With Why the real argument for index investing isn't that nobody beats the market -- it's that you can't predict who will do it next The crockpot principle of index investing -- and why the self-cleaning oven analogy might be even better Why the S&P 500 and the total stock market index are closer than most people think -- and which one Joe is increasingly favoring for the long run The $100,000 turning point: what changes about your investment strategy when the portfolio gets big enough to get scientific The first two additions most Stackers should consider beyond their core index -- and why OG would actually add more than two Why mixing index funds from different companies can quietly undermine your diversification without you ever knowing it How to replace the word "index" with "list" to instantly identify whether a product is actually doing what you think it is The buffered ETFs, factor ETFs, and active ETFs that call themselves indexes -- and why most Stackers should walk right past them Why you're not racing against the index -- you're on a road trip -- and what that shift in framing changes about every investing decision The season one recap from OG and Anna's financial planning basics series -- plus the free workbook that ties all seven episodes together Why This Matters Now In your 40s, the portfolio is finally big enough to matter -- and that's exactly when the temptation to complicate things gets strongest. New products, new strategies, and new buzzwords show up constantly, each promising a smarter approach. The investors who come out ahead aren't the ones who found the best fund. They're the ones who built something simple enough to maintain, scientific enough to optimize, and sturdy enough to hold through the moments when everything feels like it's falling apart. From the Basement Joe and OG dig into the full index investing playbook -- from the first fund a beginner should buy to the asset class combinations that actually improve long-term outcomes once the portfolio gets big enough to warrant it. OG and Anna close out their seven-week financial planning basics series with a full recap and the surprise release of a free downloadable workbook at stackingbenjamins.com/basicsguide. Doug arrives with Nolan Ryan trivia that connects strikeout records to index investing in a way that only the basement could pull off. Whether the analogy fully lands is a question best answered with your earbuds in. Resources Mentioned The Simple Path to Wealth by JL Collins -- referenced as the foundational text for beginner index investors; stackingbenjamins.com links to prior interview Paul Merriman's annual asset class research -- referenced for data on adding small cap value and international to a core S&P portfolio; paulmerriman.com iShares -- referenced as an example of a consistent index fund family worth staying within JP Morgan Guide to the Markets -- referenced in prior episode; available at jpmorgan.com Stacking Benjamins Basics Guide -- free seven-episode workbook at stackingbenjamins.com/basicsguide Stacking Benjamins Newsletter (The 201) -- weekly investing hot takes from Kevin Bailey at stackingbenjamins.com/201 Stacking Benjamins Vault -- stackingbenjamins.com/vault Stacking Benjamins Meetups -- stackingbenjamins.com/bad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    1 hr
  3. How to Find the Money Leaks Hidden in Your Financial Statements (SB1833)

    6D AGO

    How to Find the Money Leaks Hidden in Your Financial Statements (SB1833)

    Most people glance at their balance and move on. Joe Saul-Sehy, OG, Paula Pant, and Jesse Cramer argue that's exactly where the money quietly disappears. This week they go statement by statement, credit card through brokerage, and share what actually deserves your attention and what you can safely ignore. In this episode: The one thing on your credit card statement that trips up even careful spenders, why focusing on your 401k rate of return is the wrong move, the underinsured coverage gap most homeowners and drivers don't know they have, and the tax planning opportunities hiding inside your brokerage account. Biggest takeaways: Sort your credit card transactions highest to lowest. The leak with a comma in it will find you faster than you'll find it. Your 401k contributions matter more than your returns. Contributions are within your control. Returns aren't. Check that your payroll deductions are actually landing in the account, because the IRS does not look kindly on companies that miss that. Check your homeowner's insurance rebuild value every few years. Labor and material costs have changed dramatically. If you bought your policy when you bought your house and never revisited it, there is a good chance you are significantly underinsured. In a taxable brokerage account, understand whether you're holding short-term or long-term gains before you make any moves. The difference in what you'll owe can be substantial. Also in this episode: Jesse Cramer previews an upcoming episode of Personal Finance for Long-Term Investors on why target date funds may be underperforming by more than you think. Resources mentioned: Jesse Cramer's podcast: Personal Finance for Long-Term Investors Paula Pant's podcast: Afford Anything The Stacking Benjamins scorecard: stackingbenjamins.com/scorecard The Vault: stackingbenjamins.com/vault Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    56 min
  4. Bitcoin, Blockchain, and the Stuff Nobody Actually Explains (SB1832)

    APR 22

    Bitcoin, Blockchain, and the Stuff Nobody Actually Explains (SB1832)

    Blockchain. Stablecoins. Wallets. Staking. Halvings. If you've spent the last few years nodding confidently through crypto conversations while quietly hoping nobody asks a follow-up question -- this episode is for you. Retired anesthesiologist and trading veteran Joe Duarte went from crypto skeptic to informed pragmatist, and today he brings the plain-English breakdown that most crypto content assumes you don't need. No hype. No moon talk. Just the vocabulary, the mechanics, and the honest risks. What You'll Walk Away With What blockchain actually is -- stripped of the jargon and explained in one sentence that actually sticks The real difference between Bitcoin and Ethereum -- and why understanding those two unlocks everything else What a stablecoin is, why it exists, and the one comparison that finally makes it click The three crypto exchanges worth knowing -- and why starting with the big names isn't just convenient, it's genuinely safer Hot wallets, cold wallets, and mobile wallets explained -- and which one makes the most sense if you're just getting started What staking is, what mining is, and why neither one is your first move as a beginner How crypto actually moves -- the liquidity connection most investors miss entirely The tax trap that catches crypto beginners off guard -- and why your record keeping has to be airtight from day one Why ETFs might be the smartest way for most Stackers to get crypto exposure without the operational headaches The long-term care reality hiding in this episode -- and why 80% of people will eventually face a cost their current plan doesn't account for Why This Matters Now Whether you've been crypto-curious for years or you've actively avoided the conversation, the landscape has changed enough that staying completely uninformed carries its own risk. Regulation is arriving, major brokerages now offer access, and the vocabulary has leaked into mainstream financial planning. You don't have to become a believer -- but understanding what you're looking at puts you in a much better position to decide whether any of it belongs in your financial life. From the Basement Joe Duarte joins Joe and OG to translate the crypto dictionary for everyone who's been faking it at dinner parties for the last decade. In the headline segment, Joe and OG dig into a sobering new AARP report on long-term care costs -- and the conversation gets uncomfortably real about what most retirement plans are quietly missing. Doug arrives with trivia about the Bitcoin halving process, which turns out to have a name that required approximately zero creativity to invent. Whether the basement scoreboard reflects informed decision-making or something closer to Doug's personal net worth is a question best answered with your earbuds in. Resources Mentioned Cryptocurrency 101 by Joe Duarte -- available wherever books are sold, with deals currently running on Amazon Coinbase -- coinbase.com, recommended starting point for US-based crypto beginners Kraken -- kraken.com, noted for advanced trading tools alongside beginner access Binance -- binance.com, largest global exchange; noted history with US regulators worth researching NFCI Index -- Chicago Fed's National Financial Conditions Index, useful for tracking crypto-correlated liquidity at chicagofed.org Genworth Cost of Care Study -- annual long-term care cost data by state at genworth.com AARP Long-Term Care Report -- linked in show notes at stackingbenjamins.com Stacking Benjamins Scorecard -- stackingbenjamins.com/scorecard Stacking Benjamins Vault -- stackingbenjamins.com/vault Stacking Benjamins Newsletter (The 201) -- stackingbenjamins.com Hegemony board game -- referenced by Joe post-show; details at hegemonyproject.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    1h 18m
  5. The Tax Triangle Most Investors Have Never Heard Of (SB1831)

    APR 20

    The Tax Triangle Most Investors Have Never Heard Of (SB1831)

    Most people think about investing in terms of what to buy. Joe Saul-Sehy, OG, and CFP Anna Allem argue the more important question is where you put it. This week they break down the three-bucket tax triangle that could save you thousands in retirement, plus answer listener questions on Trump accounts, UTMAs, and how to pull together a home down payment when your money is locked up in all the wrong places. In this episode: The difference between pre-tax, brokerage, and tax-free investing and why you need all three, what the new Trump account actually does and who it makes sense for, how to build a home down payment when your assets are tied up in retirement accounts, and why flexibility in your tax strategy matters as much as the investments themselves. Biggest takeaways: Draw a triangle. Label each corner pre-tax, brokerage, and tax-free. Then draw your buckets to scale based on where your money actually sits. If one bucket dwarfs the others, that's your problem to solve before you touch anything else. The Trump account is not a traditional IRA, despite what the website implies. Money goes in after tax, grows tax deferred, and comes out taxable. For most people with a 529 and an UTMA already in place, keep going with what you have. When your money is locked in retirement accounts and you need a down payment, the math has two sides. What does pulling it out cost you today in taxes and penalties, and what does it cost you in thirty years of lost compounding? Know both numbers before you decide. Resources mentioned: Episode 1808 on help eliminating hospital bills (on navigating medical bills and hospital assistance programs) The Stacking Benjamins scorecard: stackingbenjamins.com/scorecard The Vault: stackingbenjamins.com/vault Submit your question: stackingbenjamins.com/yelldownstairs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    57 min
  6. The Best Money Advice We Wish We Knew at 20 (Live from Texas A&M - Texarkana) SB1830

    APR 17

    The Best Money Advice We Wish We Knew at 20 (Live from Texas A&M - Texarkana) SB1830

    What would you ask about money if you had the mic? Live from Texas A&M Texarkana, Joe Saul-Sehy, Paula Pant, and financial educator Jay Davis take questions from students facing real-world money decisions—like choosing between passion and paycheck, avoiding lifestyle creep, investing safely, and building a financial future from scratch. If you're in your 20s—or wish you could do them over—this episode is packed with the advice we wish we knew earlier. Plus: Doug climbs into the rafters (again) for a trivia showdown you won’t forget. 💡 What We Cover in Today’s Episode Passion vs paycheck vs peace: How do you actually choose a career without regretting it later? Why “follow your passion” might be terrible advice—and what to do instead How to avoid lifestyle inflation when your income jumps The easiest way to “hide money from yourself” (and why it works) The real difference between 401(k)s, IRAs, stocks, and gold (finally explained clearly) What “safe investing” actually means (hint: it depends on time) The biggest money mistakes college students make—and how to avoid them Why systems beat discipline every single time Smart ways to manage student loans after graduation The underrated power of an emergency fund (aka your freedom fund) How networking—not your resume—can shape your financial future 🧠 The Big Takeaways You don’t need perfect discipline—you need better systems Your first few years out of school can change everything financially “Safe” depends on when you need the money The earlier you start, the more your money works (hello, compounding) Most people don’t fail from lack of knowledge—they fail from lack of action 🎤 Special Guests Paula Pant – Host of the Afford Anything Podcast Jay Davis – Executive Director of Financial & Entrepreneurship Engagement, Texas A&M Texarkana Thank you to Red River Credit Union for underwriting this live show! FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/live-q-and-a-with-paula-pant-1830 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    1h 9m
  7. The Mental Game of Money: What Elite Athletes Know That Most Investors Don't (SB1829)

    APR 15

    The Mental Game of Money: What Elite Athletes Know That Most Investors Don't (SB1829)

    The same mental patterns that cause investors to panic-sell during a downturn, chase validation through status purchases, or freeze up when facing big financial decisions -- those are the exact patterns performance coach Jim Murphy has spent decades helping elite athletes overcome. His framework isn't about trying harder. It's about getting aligned. And today he brings it down to the basement to help Stackers apply it to the one game that matters most -- the one you play with your own money and your own life. What You'll Walk Away With The three pillars of extraordinary performance -- belief, freedom, and focus -- and why chasing results instead of these three things is costing you more than you know Why the score, the portfolio balance, and the quarterly statement are all distractions -- and what elite performers focus on instead The resonance framework that helps you recognize when you're making decisions from alignment versus anxiety Four daily goals that reorient your attention from outcomes you can't control to the process that actually produces them Why the same ego patterns that derail pro athletes -- always comparing, never satisfied -- show up identically in how most people handle money The homeless harpist story: what Jim did with his last $100 when he was $90,000 in debt -- and what happened next Why retiring from a career you've tied your identity to can feel exactly like getting cut from a team -- and how to prepare for it before it happens Five questions to ask yourself before any high-stakes decision to know whether you're operating from fear or from genuine conviction The AI warning hiding in this episode -- why an assistant that never disagrees with you might be the most financially dangerous tool in your arsenal What a cancer diagnosis in January taught a performance coach about what the best possible life actually looks like Why This Matters Now In your 40s, the financial pressure is real -- but so is a quieter kind of pressure that rarely gets named. Am I building the right life? Am I making decisions because they matter to me, or because of what other people will think? Jim Murphy's work sits at the intersection of those two questions, and the answer he keeps arriving at is the same one the best investors, the best athletes, and the most contented people share: stop optimizing for the scoreboard and start arranging your days around what actually makes you feel fully alive. From the Basement Jim Murphy joins Joe and OG to walk through the framework behind his new book, The Best Possible Life -- including the desert solitude, the FedEx job, the homeless harpist, and the cancer diagnosis that field-tested everything he teaches. Joe and OG close out the episode with a Psychology Today headline on AI and financial trust -- and OG's story about nearly committing accidental tax fraud because Claude was being extremely encouraging about a box he absolutely should not have checked. Doug arrives with McDonald's trivia in honor of Tax Day and Ray Kroc's first store. Whether the basement scoreboard survived the week is a question best answered with your earbuds in. Resources Mentioned The Best Possible Life by Jim Murphy -- available wherever books are sold Inner Excellence by Jim Murphy -- also available wherever books are sold Jim Murphy on Substack -- live Q&A coaching sessions and weekly newsletter; find him at interexcellence.com Jim Murphy on Instagram -- @InterExcellence Mental Toughness Training for Sports by Dr. Jim Loehr -- referenced by Jim as a foundational influence Psychology Today article on AI and financial trust -- linked in show notes at stackingbenjamins.com Stacking Benjamins Guides -- updated monthly at stackingbenjamins.com/guides Stacking Benjamins Vault -- budget and net worth tracking at stackingbenjamins.com/vault Stacking Benjamins Meetups -- find a group at stackingbenjamins.com/bad FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/achieve-your-inner-excellence-with-jim-murphy-1829 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    57 min
  8. Geopolitical Risk Is Spiking. Here's Why You Should Do Nothing. SB1828

    APR 13

    Geopolitical Risk Is Spiking. Here's Why You Should Do Nothing. SB1828

    Oil prices up. Tariffs in the headlines. Markets bouncing. Your phone serving you a fresh reason to panic every 10 seconds. This week Joe Saul-Sehy and OG break down why everything you're feeling right now is normal, why acting on it is the mistake, and how to think about your portfolio when the world feels like it's on fire. Plus CFP Anna Allem joins OG for the basics segment, walking through the three-bucket investing framework that makes it easier to ignore the noise. In this episode: Why volatility is the price of admission, not a warning sign, how the news business and your investing strategy are working against each other, why a broadening market is actually a healthy sign, and the foundation, bridge, engine framework for goals-based investing. Biggest takeaways: In a normal year the market drops 14% from its high watermark at some point during that year. Then it recovers. That's not a crisis. That's Tuesday. The media's job is to keep you on the platform. Your job is to stay in the market. Those two goals are not compatible. When you tie your money to a specific goal with a specific timeline, the day-to-day noise becomes almost irrelevant. Know which bucket your money is in and why. Resources mentioned: The Stacking Benjamins scorecard: stackingbenjamins.com/scorecard The Vault: stackingbenjamins.com/vault Stacking Benjamins guides (taxes, college planning, HR): stackingbenjamins.com/guides FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/how-to-manage-geopolitical-risk-1828 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    56 min
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Named the Best Personal Finance Podcast by Bankrate.com and Kiplinger, The Stacking Benjamins Show features a light and friendly tone. Hosts Joe Saul-Sehy and OG aim to make financial literacy fun for all as they sit around the card table in Joe's Mom's half-finished basement and talk with experts about personal finance, saving, investing, and important money trends. As Fast Company once wrote, the Stacking Benjamins podcast "strikes a great balance of fun and functional." So join Joe and OG every Monday, Wednesday and Friday as they read your letters, discuss major headlines, and throw in some trivia and laughs for free.

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