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Thinkydoers™ is an educational and business leadership resource hub and podcast designed for those of us whose work spans the spaces between thought, through the messy middle, and finding the courage and confidence to “do.” I’m a thinky-doer, and I’m here to help others find more satisfaction, less frustration – less friction, and more flow in our work. Here you'll learn about our Evolutionary OKR approach: our useful and proven Objectives and Key Results playbook, that Thinkydoers and change-makers use to help their organizations move through transformation with big outcomes (when people matter).

Thinkydoers Sara Lobkovich, Red Currant Collective

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Thinkydoers™ is an educational and business leadership resource hub and podcast designed for those of us whose work spans the spaces between thought, through the messy middle, and finding the courage and confidence to “do.” I’m a thinky-doer, and I’m here to help others find more satisfaction, less frustration – less friction, and more flow in our work. Here you'll learn about our Evolutionary OKR approach: our useful and proven Objectives and Key Results playbook, that Thinkydoers and change-makers use to help their organizations move through transformation with big outcomes (when people matter).

    How to Suck Less As A Manager, with Ben Arendt

    How to Suck Less As A Manager, with Ben Arendt

    Want to suck less as a manager? Or, do you work with a manager who sucks?
    Either way, you are NOT alone. Many managers struggle to become good at the difficult job of management: whether it stems from insufficient self-awareness, ineffective communication skills, or a lack of necessary tools, Ben Arendt believes that all managers have a responsibility to improve themselves for the benefit of their careers and the teams they lead. Ben is Principal Consultant at Depth Charge Consulting and author of the recently-released book: How to Suck Less as a Manager: A Practical Guide to Making Your Team Less Miserable Today! 
    In this episode, you’ll learn practical strategies that managers can take right now to better understand, communicate with, and support their teams.
    Ben highlights the far-reaching impact of leadership and management, we discuss the importance of intellectual humility and the role that vulnerability plays in leadership, as well as his some tips for managing yourself when your manager sucks.
    We also take a side trip into why we both believe leaders should increase their awareness around skills for working with diverse teams and disabled team members, and a few insights on leading and being led while neurodivergent.
    From fostering a positive work environment to driving team performance, this conversation is full of valuable insights that can transform your leadership approach today.
    Ready to take the first step towards becoming a more effective and inspiring manager? You're in the right place.
     
    Key Points From This Episode: 
    An overview of Ben’s fascinating career journey and how it led him to write this book. The self-awareness and continuous self-improvement required to be a better manager. How listening to and learning from others can help you develop intellectual humility. Why difficult conversations with diverse groups of people are key to a leader’s success. Three types of activities managers need to do to improve their craft. Practical advice for those who are dealing with managers that suck. Why Sara coaches that “productive struggling” may be a learning step, but sufferring at work is not acceptable. Ben's basic toolkit for better communication skills. Strength in vulnerability: why leaders should embrace emotional transparency. Why you should probably never be the smartest person in the room as a manager or leader. Pro tips for leaders and aspiring leaders who are neurodivergent or "wired differently." Major setbacks that helped to propel Ben forward in his career. Three key similarities between OKRs and being a better manager.  
    Quotes:
     
    “If you don't care, you don't deserve to be here [in management]. If you're not willing to listen to other people, you're probably going to do a bad job.” — Ben Arendt [09:50]
     
    “Communication, as sophisticated as it is, is imperfect. There are a lot of things that we as managers – can do better, both to help people be [motivated and engaged], but also get them the things that they want so that their careers improve down the line.” — Ben Arendt [15:50]
     
    “There are a lot of people that should not be in leadership [who] have become managers because that was just the next step in their career.” — Ben Arendt [18:38]
     
    “Getting a diversity of thought and perspective is not value signaling. It's an imperative.” — Ben Arendt [24:18]
     
    Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
    How to Suck Less as a Manager, on Amazon
    How to Suck Less as a Manager website
    Ben Arendt on LinkedIn
    Bed Arendt Email
    Depth Charge Consulting
    Sara Lobkovich
    Sara Lobkovich on Instagram
    Sarah Lobkovich Email
    Sara Lobkovich on Mastadon
    Red Currant Collective
    Sign up for RedCurrantCo’s Newsletter
    Red Currant Collective on Instagram
    Become a guest on Thinkydoers
    Thinkydoers Podcast Home
     

    • 37 min
    Real People, Real Stories: OKR Coach and Specialist Jason Johnston (Part 2)

    Real People, Real Stories: OKR Coach and Specialist Jason Johnston (Part 2)

    How do you find balance as a Thinkydoer with a busy, curious, learning-focused brain? Today, we explore this question (and more) as I continue my insightful conversation with Jason Johnston, OKR Practice Lead at Genetec. (If you missed Part 1, pop back to Episode 17 and then come back here after.)
    Tuning in, you’ll discover some of the most profound lessons from Jason’s unique and varied career.
    From facing a career-altering setback J.J. considers his "greatest professional accomplishment," to finding new paths forward, his journey demonstrates the importance of adaptability and continuous learning.
    Join us as we explore how personal passions outside of work--whether it's building LEGO, climbing mountains, or repairing antique typewriters -- can recharge our professional lives, and why disconnecting and taking proper breaks is essential for reconnecting with our intrinsic motivation.
    Don't miss this enriching conversation as we dive deep into the human side of leadership!
    Key Points From This Episode:
    How to check out the new No-BS OKR Self-Assessment tool. What Jason considers to be his greatest professional accomplishment. The biggest learnings that have propelled him forward. Navigating setbacks and how to have a learning-focused career. Lessons for making OKR work sustainable, including recharging outside of work. How taking meaningful breaks can help you reconnect with your intrinsic motivation. Sara and Jason’s mutual love for LEGO! How having the mentality of a four-year-old benefits Jason’s well-being. Jason’s top book recommendations.  
    Quotes:
    “It is a failure, [but] I think the success comes [from] realizing that I didn't have control over it, and it's not my fault. Why should I let this get me down? You’ve got to keep going. You’ve got to keep moving.” — Jason Johnston [05:52]
    “It's about cutting yourself off completely [and] giving your brain time to think and do something else.” — Jason Johnston [08:38]
    “Take what it is that you love, disconnect, and go do it. Make it big, whatever it is. Make it big. Make it worth a four-year-old's mentality.” — Jason Johnston [12:14]
     
    Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
    Genetec Jason Johnston on LinkedIn Red Currant No-BS OKR Self-Assessment Tool Team of Teams by General Stanley McChrystal Sara Lobkovich Sara Lobkovich Email Address Sara Lobkovich on Mastadon Red Currant Collective Sign up for RedCurrant’s newsletter Red Currant Collective on Instagram Thinkydoers  

    • 19 min
    Meet an OKR Coach: Jason Johnston (Part One)

    Meet an OKR Coach: Jason Johnston (Part One)

    Establishing clear objectives and key results (OKRs) isn't just about direction and accountability. It’s about driving real change within organizations. Today’s episode kicks off our two-part conversation with the delightful Jason Johnston, OKR Practice Lead for Genetec, a technology company in the security products and solutions space.
    Jason is also a veteran whose 20-year military career has given him a unique perspective on leadership and problem-solving.
    Join us as Jason shares his insights on fostering an environment where OKRs can thrive, the challenges of shifting from a task-oriented to an outcome-oriented mindset, and the critical role of leadership in guiding teams. We also explore how positive reinforcement and diverse perspectives on outcomes can drive success and why so many OKR practitioners exemplify servant leadership.
    Tune in to discover practical tips and inspiring stories from Jason’s journey, and learn how to navigate the complexities of OKRs in your own work environment!
    Key Points From This Episode:
    A quick update: How to check out the new No-BS OKR Self-Assessment tool. Insight into Jason’s role as the OKR Practice Lead at Genetec. Why he’s a self-described servant leader and why that’s often the case for OKR practitioners. How he first started working with OKRs and got his company to create a position for him. Driving change within a company by leading others rather than doing the work for them. Jason’s unique career background and what initially attracted him to the practice of OKRs. Lessons on heroism and preparation from his military career (and how it relates to OKRs). The adaptive nature of Jason’s work environment: how it has facilitated his career transitions. How the No-BS OKR class changed Jason’s approach to OKRs and made it more intuitive. The biggest challenges Jason has seen when it comes to implementing OKRs. Using leadership to help people shift from a task-oriented to an outcome-oriented mindset. Why existing metrics aren’t always adequate for measuring outcomes and leading indicators. Key aspects of OKRs that have made a difference in Jason’s life and work. How continuous learning and service leadership among OKR practitioners foster positivity. Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
    Genetec Jason Johnston on LinkedIn Red Currant No-BS OKR Self-Assessment Tool Measure What Matters Christina Wodke & Radical Focus Sara Lobkovich Sara Lobkovich Email Address Sara Lobkovich on Mastadon Red Currant Collective Sign up for RedCurrant’s newsletter Red Currant Collective on Instagram Thinkydoers Quotes:
    “I consider myself a servant-leader, that’s how I function and how I act. I get my success from others succeeding. I don’t get my success from me succeeding.” — Jason Johnston [07:35]
    “If we want to create real change in anything we’re doing, especially in the companies we’re in, somebody has to drive it.” — Jason Johnston [14:03]
    “The No-BS OKRs class really kind of changed the way I look at OKRs and [made] it more intuitive.” — Jason Johnston [22:28]
    “We have to put as much emphasis on the things that we accomplish as well as the things we don’t accomplish. And the process built around that is important.” — Jason Johnston [37:02]

    • 37 min
    Creating Leading Indicators in High-Stakes Settings with Elena Chopyak

    Creating Leading Indicators in High-Stakes Settings with Elena Chopyak

    One of the most challenging things for people to wrap their heads around when learning to create No-BS OKRs is the power of progress key results, otherwise known as leading indicators. But leading indicators serve as critical data that may give you objective data on which to assess your progress, and, to inform decisionmaking. Today’s guest is Elena Chopyak, a self-professed "data nerd," who I met through our mutual friend Rachel. When Rachel introduced Elena to me as an expert in leading indicators, I couldn't schedule a coffee talk fast enough. That coffee talk turned into an invitation back for this podcast episode.
    Aside from Elena's wiring for data and analysis, her career history also follows the Thinkydoer pattern: a winding, multidisciplinary path included interest in working outside the U.S., and curiosity in the emergency humanitarian space, which ultimately lead her to working with the International Rescue Committee (IRC) in Iraq for two years. She was brought on in a monitoring and evaluation role in child protection and education, where she became responsible for instrumenting, monitoring, and reporting on important indicators to assess impact; and then moved into a role in IRC's emergency response team that was focused both on monitoring and informing decisions about natural disaster and armed conflict responses (as well as deploying, herself). 
    In this episode, you’ll hear about Elena's experiences and learnings working with leading indicators in high-stakes settings, tips for creating leading indicators that are useful and actionable, and, more about her self-described "squiggly" career.
    Also: the No-BS OKRs Workbook is live; we're getting ready to launch our No-BS OKRs Self-Assessment Tool; and the best way to keep track of what's happening with Thinkydoers and No-BS OKRs is to join our mailing list!
    Key Points From This Episode:
    How Elena ended up in the nonprofit space working on leading indicators. What drew her to the data and analytics side of nonprofit work. The purpose that leading indicators serve in resource-constrained companies. Challenges of creating leading indicators that provide actionable data. Two ways to determine whether or not an indicator is useful. Why there is no such thing as a perfect decision, even in high-stakes settings. Working back from your ‘why’ and other pro tips for creating leading indicators. Reasons that intentionality and testing are so important. Setbacks that ended up propelling Elena’s career forward. The value of having thought partners and focusing on tangible change. How continuous learning and mentorship can benefit your career.  
    Quotes:
    “It’s important not to wait until something is a full-blown emergency and has made it to the news – One of our responsibilities is to be prepared – That’s why [leading indicators are] so important.” — Elena Chopyak [11:25]
    “We don’t create leading indicators so that we have pretty numbers on a dashboard in any setting. We create leading indicators because we’re going to use them to inform a decision.” — @saralobkovich [15:50]
    “It comes back to thinking about the why. Why are you going to collect this [data]? Who is going to look at it? Who is using it? – Who is actually going to make any actionable change based on the data you’re collecting?” — Elena Chopyak [20:33]
    “If you have a squiggly career, just know there are people who appreciate that. There are people who themselves have linear careers and don’t understand you. That’s fine, but there are those people out there who will appreciate your varied background.” — Elena Chopyak [27:22]

    • 30 min
    Prepare for Q2 with Sara Lobkovich and No-BS OKRs

    Prepare for Q2 with Sara Lobkovich and No-BS OKRs

    Are you ready to create big, bold goals for Q2 and beyond, and achieve remarkable results?
    In this Thinkydoers Short, I'm sharing a slew of resources to help you get ready for Q2 -- whether you have a budget or not, and whether you are excited to get visionary and curious and plan your Q2, or are hoping to spend as little time as humanly possible, so you can get right to achieving your goals!
    Show Topics: It's OKR Quarterly Reset Time: Q1 performance review and Q2 goal-setting are upon us. Tune in to our LinkedIn Live sessions for my creative and generative approach to quarterly retrospectives.
    No-BS OKRs Workshop: Our popular workshop is now available in a hybrid format. Join anytime, learn at your own pace, and get your OKRs written in just one week. 
    The Evolutionary OKRs Playbook:
    No-BS OKRs Workbook: A 50-page download with essential OKR basics and valuable cheat sheets, available later this March! No-BS OKRs Playbook: The "big book," covering deeper explanations and tackling OKR challenges, is scheduled for release in September. Stay Connected: Shoot me an email at sara@redcurrantco.com if you have questions about anything mentioned here -- and I appreciate your shares on this episode!
    Links mentioned in this episode: FREE LinkedIn Live Webinars: Get ready for Q2! RSVP on LinkedIn Follow Sara on LinkedIn for updates about additional Live opportunities! No-BS OKRs Workshop: Asynchronous, self-paced learning Find more info at http://findrc.co/nobsokrs Or, register at https://www.thinkydoers.com/nobsokrs1 No-BS OKRs Workbook Excerpt: WTF Are OKRs? Download at: http://findrc.co/wtfokrs Evolutionary OKRs Playbook and Workbook updates: Join the pre-launch list at http://findrc.co/evokrpb Let’s set your Q2 goals up for inspiration, progress, and success! Tune in, subscribe, share with a friend or colleague, and let’s keep the conversation going! 🚀
    Reach out if you have any questions: hello@redcurrantco.com.

    • 8 min
    Stress and Resilience with Dat Tran

    Stress and Resilience with Dat Tran

    The long-term stress sustained during and since the COVID-19 pandemic continues to have a serious impact on our collective wellbeing. The American Psychological Association’s annual “Stress in America” report this year shared that “APA psychologists widely agreed there is mounting evidence that our society is experiencing the psychological impacts of a collective trauma.”  
    In our personal and professional lives – especially for those of us who possess an “overthinky” brain -- we’re experiencing high levels of stress, overwhelm, and burnout. To help us understand these issues (and what we can do to resolve them), we’re joined by Dat Tran, an inspiring leadership coach and speaker (and fellow Thinkydoer). After more than a decade in the consulting and global strategy world, Dat discovered that the path to realizing his purpose focuses on inclusion and resilience. Today, he empowers leaders and organizations to reach their peak potential with well-being as a central focus. Since taking the stage for the first time in 2022, he has delivered over 50 keynotes and workshops, reaching thousands of people at leading companies and organizations worldwide. In this episode, Dat offers insight into the relationship between stress and resilience, provides us with a practical framework for managing stress, and shares some easy-to-understand examples to help us understand the risks of burying or processing stress without releasing it. To transform how you manage stress in your everyday life, become more resilient, and propel yourself toward higher performance and wellness, tune in today.
    Key Points From This Episode:
      Insight into Dat’s vision and the role of inclusively and resiliency in his practice.   His experience of stress and burnout on the path to becoming a life coach.   Ways that neurodivergent people may excel at simplifying complex information.   An understanding of the relationship between stress and resilience.   What Gabor Maté teaches us about trauma and healing.   Bury, release, process: three options for managing stress.   Surprisingly simple ways to release stress mentally, emotionally, and physically.   Why there is no “perfect” way to release; get creative!   Risks of processing stress without release, particularly for over-thinkers.   The significance of play, sleep, passion, and community.   How to intentionally design your life to release and process stress.   Dat’s advice for knowing when and how to speak and show up.

    • 38 min

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