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No matter where you’re from or how you’re wrestling through your faith, you belong here. This space is meant for wrestling. If you've been forced to reconcile new ideas or deconstruct some acquired knowledge, just know I’ve been through the same process. It is painful and challenging and we all hate it. But don’t give up - you will like yourself much better on the other side, I promise.


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Upwardly Dependent Upwardly Dependent

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    • 4.9 • 81 Ratings

No matter where you’re from or how you’re wrestling through your faith, you belong here. This space is meant for wrestling. If you've been forced to reconcile new ideas or deconstruct some acquired knowledge, just know I’ve been through the same process. It is painful and challenging and we all hate it. But don’t give up - you will like yourself much better on the other side, I promise.


Hosted by the Kindred Exchange Podcast Network

    33. A Holistic Theology Leads us Vulnerable Children (and Their Parents, too) with Dr. Krish Kandiah

    33. A Holistic Theology Leads us Vulnerable Children (and Their Parents, too) with Dr. Krish Kandiah

    This episode may be the most spiritually rich conversation to date on the Upwardly Dependent podcast. Dr. Krish Kandiah, and Officer of the British Empire and long-time advocate for refugees and orphans, shares incredible stories and deep reflections from his love for God’s word.



    As the last guest in this series on Orphans and Vulnerable Children, you will be sure to find a renewed passion for not only neighboring well, but also for resting in the love of a Creator who pursues you, as well. There aren’t appropriate words to describe the impact this conversation could have on you, so just go ahead and give it a listen.

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    Episode Highlights


    Intro to Dr. Krish and his work as an Officer of the British Empire (3:29)
    Wrestling with the responsibility of privilege (6:19)
    Dr. Krish’s heart for adoption and supporting refugees (9:02)
    Understanding God’s heart for people on the margins (16:37)
    A holistic theology informing our care for vulnerable children (22:42)
    The holiness of slowing down and inviting others in (29:47)
    Racializing and dehumanizing vulnerable families (31:55)
    A call to the Church to protect vulnerable children (42:18)

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    Dr. Krish’s Website - Learn more about Dr. Kirsh and the work he is doing to help to solve problems through partnerships across civil society, faith communities, government and philanthropy.
    The Sanctuary Foundation - Learn how they are providing compassionate service to vulnerable people through catalytic partnerships between government, churches, civil society groups, the media and individuals.

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    32. Tell Compelling Adoption Stories, but First Make Sure They’re True with Nick Runyon

    32. Tell Compelling Adoption Stories, but First Make Sure They’re True with Nick Runyon

    Lauren was first introduced to Nick and Whitney Runyon a decade ago, and was drawn to their videography and storytelling across the globe. Both the Pinkstons and the Runyons entered into their own adoption journeys soon after, and as Lauren’s mind has expanded on the issue of orphan care, so has the work and advocacy of the Runyon’s organization, The Archibald Project.



    In this conversation, Lauren and Nick meet for the first time. Nick warmly normalizes the growth process attached to complex issues, and graciously invites others to be courageous in their own evolution, as well. After listening to this conversation, you’ll be sure to want to explore the resources linked below.

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    Episode Highlights


    Intro to Nick and his work (2:03)
    The start of The Archibald Project (6:33)
    Examining past mistakes and shifting practices (9:51)
    Telling honest stories about adoption and the foster care system (14:19)
    Crafting parameters around storytelling as adoptive parents (20:32)
    Honest stories from adoptive families (24:37)
    Nick’s advice for people wrestling with the complexities of adoption (29:51)
    Melinda’s adoption story (35:34)
    Resources through The Archibald Project (37:46)

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    ⁠The Archibald Project - Learn more about the stories and resources they have created for families caring for orphaned and vulnerable children.
    Reimagine Orphan Care - Tune into the podcast to start reimagining orphan care 

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    • 46 min
    31. The Failures of U.S. Child Protection, and What Christians Should Know About Safe Families with Sarah Winograd-Babayeuski

    31. The Failures of U.S. Child Protection, and What Christians Should Know About Safe Families with Sarah Winograd-Babayeuski

    As Lauren says again and again, if you want to see less human trafficking in the USA, start by surrounding vulnerable families while children are young. The majority of domestic trafficking cases involve children who have aged out of or who have interacted with the U.S. foster system. 



    Lauren was eager to interview Sarah because of her extensive experience in family advocacy. This conversation turned vulnerable and introspective quickly, as Sarah and Lauren both shared their journeys of waking up to their own misunderstandings about what children need to thrive, as well as their grief over the lack of evolution and learning within the American church.

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    Episode Highlights


    Intro to Sarah and her work (2:48)
    The U.S. justice system is failing families (11:07)
    A human-centered approach to poverty (14:06)
    Humanizing the hurt within the system (22:03)
    A call for faith communities to protect families (25:56)
    Ethically portraying the stories of vulnerable families (29:16)
    Sarah’s experience as a CASA volunteer (37:59)
    Child protection versus family preservation (41:49)
    How to take action today (50:30)

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    CASA - Learn how you can become a court appointed special advocate in your local community
    Together for Families - Learn more about their work to protect children, empower families, and strengthen communities

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    30. To the Women who Mother the World's Children with Kayla Craig

    30. To the Women who Mother the World's Children with Kayla Craig

    Kayla and Lauren have been online friends for 10 years, writing and mothering in similar spaces. This conversation takes a deep dive into the relationships parents have with others who mothered our children both before and after they joined our families. Kayla writes heartfelt prayers for parents who are in need of a ministry of words in seasons of deep grief or spiritual dryness. Her top-rated Substack newsletter offers weekly breath prayers, playlists, and encouragement for raising safe and whole families. 

    Kayla is also the author of “Every Season Sacred” and “To Light Their Way.” With a background in journalism, she hopes to bring curiosity and compassion to how she shows up not only as a writer and podcaster but also as a neighbor, friend, and parent. She considers herself a contemplative extrovert and is the creator of the popular Liturgies for Parents Instagram and Podcast. Her wonder-shaped writing has been featured in a vast array of books, devotionals, and Bible studies. She lives in a former convent with her pastor husband, four kids, and two dogs in her Iowa hometown.

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    Episode Highlights


    Kayla Craig Introduction (1:52)
    Parenting and how motherhood changes you (11:15)
    The formation of women in our lives (12:50)
    Parenting adopted children (17:52)
    Expanding the network of safety and influence outside the home (26:44)
    Recognizing the importance of people in the lives of our kids before we met them (31:40)
    Kayla’s second book “Every Season Sacred” and spiritual rhythms (36:40)

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    Liturgies for Parents Podcast - Tune into Kayla’s podcast for a moment of peace in the chaos of life.

    “Every Season Sacred” - Reflections, Prayers, And Invitations To Nourish Your Soul

    And Nurture Your Family Throughout The Year

    “To Light Their Way” - A Collection of Prayers & Liturgies for Parents

    Liturgies for Parents Top Substack - Follow along with Kayla’s weekly newsletter, playlists, and breath prayers

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    • 43 min
    29. Helping Organizations Transition to Better Care with Brent Phillips

    29. Helping Organizations Transition to Better Care with Brent Phillips

    Once you see how institutionalizing children can be harmful to their development, how do you continue to be involved with the care of orphans and vulnerable children? Brent Phillips, CEO and Programs Manager at Cherish Uganda, shares how this organization has evolved over the years to best center families within their care strategy. Brent speaks candidly and truthfully about the unique challenges of this transition, and how the posture of programming organizations is critical to the success of marginalized communities.

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    Episode Highlights


    Introduction to Brent (2:31)
    Brent’s work with Cherish Uganda (3:08)
    Pushback to the switch to family based care (6:57)
    Donors reactions to organization’s narratives about orphan care (10:56)
    Story behind the short film from Cherish Uganda (16:07)
    Pastoring donors and inviting them into the story (23:17)
    How Cherish Uganda differentiates themselves from other organizations in Uganda (25:06)
    Encouragement to make the shift to pivoting approach to orphanages (30:46)

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    Cherish Uganda - Learn more about the work they do with children with HIV/AIDS. 
    World AIDs Day video - Walk in the shoes of a person living with HIV, to increase awareness of the stigma and treatment.

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    • 34 min
    28. The Other Side of the Story: Caregivers & Residents Share Their Experiences with Orphanage Tourism with David Sanon & Steph DeLuca Robinson

    28. The Other Side of the Story: Caregivers & Residents Share Their Experiences with Orphanage Tourism with David Sanon & Steph DeLuca Robinson

    It is critical to center the voices of lived experience experts in any human rights conversation. This episode is sure to give you pause at different moments, as David Sanon shares his experience growing up in a boarding school in Haiti, where American donors sponsored his education. After meeting Steph DeLuca Robinson and other trusted partners, he found an opportunity to lead and develop his fellow Haitians into independent, sustainable solutions that promoted their freedom from foreign money. 



    If you are currently sponsoring an ‘orphan’ or an ‘orphanage’ somewhere in the world, don’t listen to this episode unless you are open to having your perspective rattled by the childhood experience of institutionalized care.

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    Episode Highlights


    How David and Steph met and eventually founded Konbit (4:35)
    What is misunderstood about Haiti + David’s story (10:00)
    How the phrase “White Saviors” relates to David’s Story (15:30)
    A formal apology from Lauren in the way she engaged with Haiti in the past (20:48)
    Attachment issues with institutionalized care (22:09)
    The cost of orphanages > Supporting parents (29:10)
    Sexual abuse in orphanages and sex trafficking once a kid ages out (33:18)
    Isolation and the prevalence of suicide after youth exit care (26:16)
    Why Konbit supports families instead of children (38:05)
    David’s hope for Haiti (42:43)

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    • 49 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
81 Ratings

81 Ratings

K Blitz ,

Great conversations

Lauren is an amazing interviewer

JRSPRY ,

A Must Truth Seekers

I’ve known Lauren for 10 years now. I’ve watched her up close and far away. Her passion for truth is contagious! Her ability to make a statement or ask a question that makes me think is what draws me in every time. Thank you, Lauren, for continuing to share. My love for Christ and love for humanity grows deeper each day.

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Such thoughtful conversations! Well done!

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