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Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy.

Warfare of Art & Law Podcast Stephanie Drawdy

    • Arts
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Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy.

    Glance at Culture - Journalist and Author Peter Kupfer on his book "The Glassmaker's Son"

    Glance at Culture - Journalist and Author Peter Kupfer on his book "The Glassmaker's Son"

    The Glassmaker's Son is available here. Please visit Peter Kupfer's website to learn more.

    Show Notes:
    3:00 Kupfer’s description of The Glassmaker’s Son 
    5:00 Kupfer exploration of identity 
    6:30 Kupfer’s name change 
    7:45 paternal family history in Germany prior to WWII
    10:00 1979 first visit to Bavaria
    11:00 NY attorney for Kupfer’s father
    12:00 1937 passenger list that includes Kupfer’s father
    13:00 Kupfer’s grandfather
    14:30 Kupfer’s grandfather in Terezin
    15:25 Kupfer Villa sold 
    16:50 letters between Mr. Kupfer’s father and grandfather regarding escape from Nazis
    19:00 Kupfer’s glassmaking business 
    24:00 last meeting of Kupfer business
    26:00 mixed feelings when meeting Germans who knew Kupfer family prior to/during WWII
    29:00 level of anti-semitism in Germany
    31:00 German school education on Holocaust 
    32:30 importance of visiting concentration camps
    33:30 Terezin Concentration Camp
    37:30 efforts to seek return of ancestral portraits
    44:00 post-war restitution claims
    46:30 how his story addresses justice

    47:45 legacy he hopes his book has
    49:00 his definition of justice confirmed after exploring his family history
    50:50 most surprising aspect of his research for this book
    53:00 Stolperstein ceremony honors Kupfer’s family on November 22, which is also the release day of The Glassmaker’s Son


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    To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.

    © Stephanie Drawdy [2022]

    • 56 min
    Art Recognition's Lisa Salama on Artificial Intelligence, Authentication and Art Market Transparency

    Art Recognition's Lisa Salama on Artificial Intelligence, Authentication and Art Market Transparency

    To learn more, visit Art Recognition's website.

    SHOW NOTES:
    2:00 Lisa Salama’s background in art and art law
    3:00 authentication remains main risk of art trading
    3:30 Salama’s work overseeing legal aspect of Art Recognition and 
    4:00 analysis process
    4:15 the deep convolutional neural network mimics human brain
    5:30 physical inspection of work is not needed
    6:00 algorythm assessment determines authenticity
    6:15 heat map shows important features that led to network’s decision in red
    6:45 Sample report available, e.g., Cezanne’s Boy In Red Vest
    7:15 Samson & Delilah confirmed as non-authenticate; listed by National Gallery as a Rubens
    8:40 Collaboration with universities 
    10:30 data sets
    12:00 analysis of paintings and drawings
    13:00 analysis of restored work
    14:00 legal issues
    16:30 data set due diligence process
    18:00 minimum 100 works for a data set
    19:00 how AI compliments other authentication methods, e.g., art experts
    21:00 Unsupervised Deep Learning involves no human programming
    21:40 works created by school of an artist
    22:30 different styles and periods of an artists’ work
    23:00 graffiti
    23:20 range of clients
    24:00 over 500 case reports completed 
    24:10 Future for an Art Recognition app
    24:45 co-creator Dr. Carina Popovici 
    26:00 how Art Recognition contributes to transparency in art market
    28:20 Responsible Art Market


    To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page.

    To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.

    © Stephanie Drawdy [2022]

    • 30 min
    2ND Saturday Bonus: Getty Docent Howard Turner on the Question of Human Remains in Museum Collections

    2ND Saturday Bonus: Getty Docent Howard Turner on the Question of Human Remains in Museum Collections

    The following are links used to prepare this episode:

    https://www.britishmuseum.org/our-work/departments/human-remains
    https://www.getty.edu/art/collection/object/103WN2


    To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page.

    To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.

    © Stephanie Drawdy [2022]

    • 3 min
    Glance at Culture - Marie-Christin Gebhardt on the Museum "Art of the Lost Generation"

    Glance at Culture - Marie-Christin Gebhardt on the Museum "Art of the Lost Generation"

    To learn more, please visit the website for Museum Art of the Lost Generation.

    SHOW NOTES:
    2:10 How Dr. Böhme began his collection
    2:50 2nd Generation of Modern Artists 
    3:00  Corinth,  Beckmann,  Klee,  Kokashka 
    4:00 Museum’s goal to find and research Lost Generation artists 
    4:50 Museum in historical city centre of Salzburg, 300 square meters 
    5:00 Using Brush and Paint Against the Time exhibition
    5:20 Exhibition poster image – 1955 self-portrait by Heinrich Emil Adametz studied at Hamburg School of Arts and Crafts
    5:50 1933 Heinrich Emil Adametz was banned
    6:00 1945 Heinrich Emil Adametz returned to Berlin
    7:00 Special exhibition on destinies of female artists from lost generation 
    7:15 Until end of WWI, women were denied access to universities and art colleges
    1933 –  Jacobis refused to close their school; fled to NY and re-opened school
    9:30 1889 Felka Platek born in Warsaw
    9:40 1923 - Platek moved to Berlin
    9:50 Felix Nussbaum
    11:45 Felka and Felix 
    12:00 Frankfurt artist Hanna Becker Van Rath
    12:40 Van Rath’s Blue House in Germany 
    13:00 We Haven’t Seen Each Other In So Long  
    14:00 Provenance research process
    14:50 Digitization aids in research 
    15:20 Provenance research defines them as a museum 
    17:00 engagement/sponsoring program
    17:30 Frankfurt Artist Ruth Camp’s portrait of woman
    18:00 Canvases by Heinrich Esser found rolled in attic 
    18:20 Three People by Esser
    19:40 Posthumous political Portrait of Dr. Friedrich Maase (1878-1959) by Gert Heinrich Wollheim 
    21:00 Female Destinies 
    21:45 Future of the museum - coming to terms with the past by focusing on the artists and their fates
    22:30 combines art history with contemporary history 
    23:00 Museum to be part of the movement to create justice for these artists 
    23:40 visitor comments and press feedback 
    25:05 library 
    26:00 Meet Me in Paris Exhibition 
    27:45 female artists seeking education in Paris
    29:00 Paris co-ed classes
    29:50 nude works by Martha Bernstein and Rudolf Levy
    30:20 Montparnasse cafe scene
    31:15 1933 Paris as a safe haven from National Socialists – life in exile
    32:00 Occupied Paris
    33:20 Russian artist Samuel Granovsky - worked with pastels and a spatula
    35:50 Granovsky nicknamed the Cowboy of Montparnasse
    36:45 Matisse student Martha Bernstein; 1911 Female Nude in Atelier
    38:20 Bernstein later became part of the Berlin Secession 
    38:50 Malweiber (painting women) mocking term for female artists 
    40:30 Adolf Da Haer’s 1940 On the Beach; shifted from expressionism to conservative natural approach
    43:45 Mack Koch – example of inner immigration 
    46:45 Koch’s 1930 Woman With Pipe
    48:45 Häfner family 
    49:55 Herbert Häfner’s 1935 Portrait of Miss Lilo Jüngst
    52:35 Ilse Häfner-Mode’s Portrait of a Woman in front of a Wooden Door
    54:20 Thomas Häfner’s Fantasy Landscape with Mask
    56:00 Ilsa Häfner’s ink drawings while interned 
    56:30 feedback


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    To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.

    © Stephanie Drawdy [2022]

    • 58 min
    Scrivener's Gazette Bonus - Artist Else Berg

    Scrivener's Gazette Bonus - Artist Else Berg

    The following are links used to prepare this episode:

    https://verlorene-generation.com/en/kuenstler/berg-else/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Else_Berg
    http://www.arthurkampf.de/biographie/arthur-kampf-biographie_en.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mommie_Schwarz

    To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page.

    To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast, please email Stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. 

    © Stephanie Drawdy [2022]
    To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page.

    To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.

    © Stephanie Drawdy [2022]

    • 3 min
    Artist Ben Kinmont on Experimenting With What Art Can Be, Antiquarian Bookselling, Economic Precarity, Artists' Contracts & More

    Artist Ben Kinmont on Experimenting With What Art Can Be, Antiquarian Bookselling, Economic Precarity, Artists' Contracts & More

    Cover image: Ben Kinmont and the Antinomian Press at Section Seven Books, Paris, printing Project Series: Lee Lozano.

    For more information, please visit the websites for Antinomian Press, Ben Kinmont Bookseller, Ben Kinmont's projects and his gallery page.

    SHOW NOTES:
    0:00 Artist Ben Kinmont’s thoughts on artist / attorney collaboration
    3:30 Kinmont’s initial art practice in NYC 
    3:50 Kinmont’s work with antiquarian bookseller focused on medicine and science
    4:20 Kinmont’s antiquarian bookselling business - Sometimes a nicer sculpture is to be able to provide a living for your family
    5:00 Occupational realism coined as a term by Julia Bryant Wilson
    5:35 Kinmont’s practice included painting, video, sculpture, photography 
    5:50 his street project in NYC and Cologne titled I am for you, ich bin fur sie consisted of three sculptures
    6:15 “The Social Sculpture” - Joseph Beuys
    6:40 ‘The Thinking Sculpture’ - William James 
    7:10 cognitive process as a sculptural process
    7:25 “The Third Sculpture”
    8:00 I Am For You 
    9:00 Christo’s public projects are about his conversations with farmers and coastal commission 
    10:35 The Materialization of Life Into Alternative Economies 
    11:45 Antinomian Press 
    14:40 economic precarity subtheme
    15:10 theme of art in everyday life, what we can and can’t call art
    16:00 Borders of what can and cannot be called art 
    17:45 NYU Draper Institute lecture to grad class of anthropology 
    19:00 cultural differences in interviewing NYC and Cologne individuals
    21:15 archives of his projects led to his interest in contracts and Promised Relations: or, thoughts on a few artists’ contracts? 
    24:20 Tilted Arc contract 
    24:30 Felix Gonzalez-Torres’ certificates
    25:30 Kinmont’s contract
    25:40 Attorney Jerry Ordover
    25:55 Seth Seigelab and Bob Projansky artist contract
    29:45 MoMA Department of Prints and Drawing’s purchase of Antinomian Press archive
    31:40 why artists shy away from using contracts
    36:45 circa 1990 - Trust as Sculpture – strangers invited to waffle breakfast in Kinmont’s home 
    38:15 understand history to create discourse around your own experience
    40:00 feedback from An Exhibition In Your Mouth
    41:45 social and political meaning behind the study of gastronomy
    42:50 Inter-sectionality of gastronomy with women’s studies, economic history, ethnography, class, medicine, health
    44:40 Gastronomy and Economic Precarity
    45:50 FBI’s attacks on the Black Panther’s Free Breakfast Programs
    46:50 San Quintin death row inmate’s inquiry about publishing  Death Row Cookbook
    48:50 his projects addressing injustice  
    50:25 Ethical Considerations in Project Art Practice 
    51:10 definition of justice

    51:50 2011 Carl Andre Killed His Wife Ana Mendieta
    53:00 Olivier Mosset bought and later returned it
    54:25 Andre’s involvement in Art Workers Coalition Group and work using proletariat mater



    To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page.

    To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com.

    © Stephanie Drawdy [2022]

    • 1 hr 2 min

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