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People talk about manifestation as a thing that you can just think into existence. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy. When it comes to making your creative dreams come true, what really matters is putting yourself in a position to thoughtfully and intelligently take advantage of the opportunities presented to you. And sometimes these opportunities show up in very unexpected ways.

We’re Heather Vickery and Alan Seales, two perfect strangers who met by chance and embraced opportunity! Listen in as we chat with other successful people about the risks they took, and continue taking, to put themselves on a path to creative success. 

WAS IT CHANCE? The podcast about embracing opportunity and taking intentional risks for your creative life. 

Was It Chance‪?‬ Broadway Podcast Network

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    • 4.9 • 29 Ratings

People talk about manifestation as a thing that you can just think into existence. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy. When it comes to making your creative dreams come true, what really matters is putting yourself in a position to thoughtfully and intelligently take advantage of the opportunities presented to you. And sometimes these opportunities show up in very unexpected ways.

We’re Heather Vickery and Alan Seales, two perfect strangers who met by chance and embraced opportunity! Listen in as we chat with other successful people about the risks they took, and continue taking, to put themselves on a path to creative success. 

WAS IT CHANCE? The podcast about embracing opportunity and taking intentional risks for your creative life. 

    Anna DeShawn: The Founder of The Qube

    Anna DeShawn: The Founder of The Qube

    What happens when a passionate broadcaster with a dream to be the next Robin Roberts transforms the media landscape for BIPOC and QTPOC creatives? Join us on "Was it Chance" as we dive into the inspiring journey of Anna DeShawn, the trailblazing force behind E3 Radio and The Qube. Discover how Anna's visionary drive and relentless pursuit of inclusivity are reshaping digital media and giving voice to those who need it most.
    Anna DeShawn is a celebrated multi-award and Ambie-winning podcast producer and host from Chicago, known for her pioneering work in media. She founded E3 Radio in 2009, an online station for queer music and news, and co-created The Qube, a platform for BIPOC and QTPOC creatives. Recognized by the Chicago LGBTQ Hall of Fame and Equality Illinois, Anna is a trailblazer in digital media.
    In our interview, Anna shares her journey from aspiring broadcaster to media innovator, discussing her passion project turned full-time gig, E3 Radio, the creation of The Qube, and her mission to amplify marginalized voices. She also reflects on the challenges of unlearning corporate behaviors, redefining success, and managing her creative flow.
    Check out Anna’s website or Instagram. Be sure to catch Queer News on TikTok.

    Make sure to follow this podcast everywhere you find podcasts, leave a rating and a review, and slip into our Instagram DMs at @wasitchance.

    More about Heather via @heather_vickeryandco on Instagram, @Braveheather on TikTok, and listen to The Brave Files


    More about Alan via @theatre_podcast on Instagram and listen to The Theatre Podcast with Alan Seales



    EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

    In 2009 Anna started E3 Radio as a radio host who wanted nothing to do with podcasting. She was a “serious” broadcaster.

    Anna wanted to be Robin Roberts (the only Black Woman she had ever seen doing this work) She went to school to learn how to do that and ended up working on online broadcasting in the corporate space. E3 Radio was a passion project on the side.

    It’s important to ask yourself what is the worst-case scenario. Is that really that bad?

    Get a copy of The Big Leap (get a copy here!) if you’re looking to step into your zone of genius.

    It’s easier for Anna to give “of” herself than to give “to” herself and there is not enough content out there at the intersection of race and sexuality. She saw a gap and decided to fill it.

    The QUBE is a podcast production company and a curated platform for Black and Brown podcasts. The QUBE is to podcasting what BET was to television.

    Balance comes because things ebb and flow - they have to.  

    There has been real work in unraveling what “corporate” says is successful vs. what we actually know to be successful for us.

    Learn how to manage freedom. Anna works best when it’s dark outside so she arranges her schedule to accommodate that.

    The biggest challenge for Anna has been “unlearning” bad corporate behavior.

    “What does success mean to me today?” It may change and be redefined over and over again.

    Anna had to learn to own failure because you can’t have success without failure. There is no failure, only feedback. Now she sits on new ideas to see how they develop and transform.


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    • 1 hr
    Laura Larios: It's a Called a "Nervous" System for a Reason

    Laura Larios: It's a Called a "Nervous" System for a Reason

    Laura Larios is a nervous system coach who’s revolutionizing entrepreneurship for high-achieving women. Our conversation explores the profound impact of the nervous system on our thoughts, decision-making, and ability to avoid burnout, emphasizing the idea that our nervous system shapes our thinking patterns, rather than the other way around. Laura's approach is about fostering awareness of our often-overlooked nervous system, enabling individuals to transition from mere survival to growth and self-improvement.
    Through her journey from a creative student immersed in theater to a hospitality professional and ultimately a trailblazing entrepreneur, Laura is as compelling as her coaching technique. She credits the Polyvagal Theory as the moment she started to think creatively and out of the box. This is what led to her transformative perspective that integrates the nervous system with entrepreneurial success. Laura's work is a testament to the power of simple, quick exercises that can induce noticeable shifts in our state of being within seconds, potentially leading to the formation of new neurological patterns over time. Alongside practical advice, Laura shares personal reflections on her relationship with failure, re-wiring perfectionist tendencies, and finding valuable learning experiences in moments of discomfort. This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to understand the intrinsic connection between our nervous system and overall well-being.

    Connect with Laura on LinkedIn and Instagram.

    Make sure to follow this podcast everywhere you find podcasts, leave a rating and a review, and slip into our Instagram DMs at @wasitchance.

    More about Heather via @heather_vickeryandco on Instagram, @Braveheather on TikTok, and listen to The Brave Files


    More about Alan via @theatre_podcast on Instagram and listen to The Theatre Podcast with Alan Seales



    EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

    What is a nervous system coach? The thoughts we have, avoiding burnout, making decisions - our nervous system is core to everything we do in life. Get out of survival mode and into growth.

    The state of your nervous system creates the thoughts, not the other way around. The body informs the brain.

    We are not consciously aware of our nervous system all the time - Laura’s work is about creating that awareness.

    Laura has always been a highly creative person. She did theater in middle school and high school. But it was her Psychology class in High School that really blew her mind.

    As a Psychology student in college, she realized there was something missing. She felt like things were going in circles.

    Being in the hospitality industry really prepared her for being an entrepreneur. 

    When Laura discovered The Polyvagal Theory everything changed and she saw a way to connect the nervous system with entrepreneurship.

    She started by doing the work on and for herself and then expanded it into a business.

    You can tell the state of someone's nervous system by the tone of their voice. When we chance the tone of our voice, it effects the people around us.

    This work is about being able to hold all of the things, the thoughts, emotions etc … and not allowing those things to shut you down.

    Scientifically proven that improv helps you reduce inhibition.

    Play is a “blended” state

    When we’re in a survival state we can’t even find a way to create change because we’re frozen.

    Eventually, Laura decided to go into this unknown space and build something completely new and it worked!

    With nervous system work, less is more. The tools are simple and take 30-60 seconds and you can notice a shift within a few seconds. And once your body recognizes a shift you crave more of it.

    It takes 62-68 days to build a new neuro pattern 


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    • 1 hr 18 min
    Andy Mientus: tick... tick... BOOM... He's in The Flash

    Andy Mientus: tick... tick... BOOM... He's in The Flash

    Welcome to "Was it Chance" where we peel back the layers of serendipity to uncover the hard work and opportunities behind what looks like mere chance. In today's episode, we bring you a conversation with the extremely handsome and talented Andy Mientus, a true maverick of the stage and screen.
    From accidentally becoming one of Broadway's first social media managers to his heartwarming experience with Dolly Parton on the set of Heartstrings, and one amazing Broadway production credit after another, Andy's journey is one you don’t want to miss.
    Andy shares with us his belief in staying proximate to your aspirations, even if the connection seems tangential, and how this philosophy led him to astounding opportunities—like touring with Spring Awakening and soaking in the Wicked Tour which felt like a "warm bath.”
    We're also have some juicy revelations—such as Alan Seales' surprising stance on Sondheim, the unexpected significance of The Met Gala for the theatre community, and the personal tales of failure that Andy calls his "close friends," teaching him resilience and the art of bouncing back.
    Moreover, Andy gives us a glimpse into his life beyond the stage lights. As a best-selling author of YA books and an actor who's not shied away from portraying significant LGBTQ+ roles, like the openly Gay character Hartley Rathaway in The Flash, Andy is a testament to the diverse avenues of artistic expression.
    And, if you stick around till the end, you'll be treated to pecial rendition of "Shut the F**k Up Alan!" by Andy himself.
    Prepare to be inspired, entertained, and perhaps a little starstruck—this is an episode you won't want to miss!

    Connect with Andy on Instagram. Get his books The Backstagers series: Backstagers and The Ghost, Backstagers and The Theater of the Ancients, Backstagers and the Final Blackout as well as his latest book, Fraternity.

    Make sure to follow this podcast everywhere you find podcasts, leave a rating and a review, and slip into our Instagram DMs at @wasitchance.

    More about Heather via @heather_vickeryandco on Instagram, @Braveheather on TikTok, and listen to The Brave Files


    More about Alan via @theatre_podcast on Instagram and listen to The Theatre Podcast with Alan Seales



    EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

    Live Theatre may be the last frontier when it comes to avoiding AI

    Andy says he stumbled in the back door for every professional experience he’s ever had

    Back in college, Andy stumbled upon Spring Awakening (by past WIC Guest, Stephen Sater) and he fell madly in love. He started a Facebook group for fans of the show and, thus, became one of the first-ever Broadway Theater social media managers.

    Not long after that, he auditioned for a role in Spring Awakening and joined the tour.

    Choose to be close to your goals, even if they are tangential.

    NEWSFLASH - Alan Seales doesn’t resonate with Sondheim! 

    Working with Dolly Parton was a highlight for Andy and he was thrilled to act with her in an episode of Heartstrings that featured a Gay storyline with a happy ending.

    Tune in to hear why The Met Gala is a super important event for the theatre world (which most people don’t know!).

    Being part of the Wicked Tour was like “a warm bath” for Andy because the show is always a wonderful, welcoming experience.

    Mientus has a rare neurological disorder called HNPP (Hereditary Neuropathy with Pressure Palsies).

    Andy is not just a live theater actor, he’s also a TV and Film actor including playing the supervillain, Hartley Rathaway, in The Flash who is an openly Gay character in the series!

    Failure is one of Andy’s close personal friends. He says he fails several times a week and it never gets easier but it’s always a learning opportunity you can get better at dealing with, most of the time.

    Stay until the end of a special Andy Mientus rendition of Shut the Fuck Up Alan!


    tick, tick…Boom! runs June 5 to June 15 at the historic Cape Playhouse in Dennis, MA where Broadway goes to summer si

    • 1 hr 8 min
    Katie Horwitch: Turning Self-Doubt into Self-Empowerment!

    Katie Horwitch: Turning Self-Doubt into Self-Empowerment!

    Turn Self-Doubt into Self-Empowerment!
    Katie Horwitch, the powerhouse behind WANT: Women Against Negative Talk joins Heather and Alan to explore a world where our inner critic often holds the mic, Katie shares her journey of flipping the script on negative self-talk, providing listeners with the tools to craft a more empowering internal narrative. Discover the subtle childhood origins of our adult self-talk and unravel Katie's personal transition from the stage to being the mastermind behind WANT. This episode is an amalgamation of personal anecdotes, deep-seated wisdom, and actionable advice on navigating (and embracing) the risks of pursuing your true calling. Tune in for an inspiring conversation that promises to challenge, motivate, and equip you with the language of self-love.  
    Connect with Katie on her Website and Instagram. Tiktok, and YouTube. And grab a copy of her best-selling book, WANT YOURSELF. Tune into her podcast WANTcast as well.

    Make sure to follow this podcast everywhere you find podcasts, leave a rating and a review, and slip into our Instagram DMs at @wasitchance.

    More about Heather via @heather_vickeryandco on Instagram, @Braveheather on TikTok, and listen to The Brave Files


    More about Alan via @theatre_podcast on Instagram and listen to The Theatre Podcast with Alan Seales



    EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

    Limiting voices and negative self-talk are often rooted in the smallest moments from our childhood. We often don’t realize how these “small” experiences can have such a big impact.

    Self-talk is the inner dialogue and story we tell ourselves all day long

    Katie’s deep seeded negative self-talk was centered around creating and performing for others but never being able to enjoy and experience for herself.

    Negative self-talk is not inherently good or bad - it’s information and how you process tat information.

    Mental health was the catalyst for Katie to move away from theater and into the work of coaching.

    A dangerous eating disorder began to physically affect her ability to sing and perform, which is what she was in school to study. This is when she started to do the internal work to shift her patterns and behaviors.

    Changing negative self-talk can be very difficult for many people. You can’t just “change your mind” and things are better.

    Everything requires a game - it’s about the game you’re willing to play.

    There can be a lot of fear and risk associated with following a purpose or “calling.”

    The biggest risks Katie felt she took were unknown financial possibilities getting into a newish field with blogging and online magazines and she felt the pressure of risk on being approved of and accepted in these new fields.

    Everything has a shadow side and can be manipulated. Do all things with integrity.

    Self-deprecation is dangerous but it helps people bring themselves together and find things in common.

    The key is recognizing the language you are using on a regular basis.

    Check yourself by asking this question “Do I want the reality of actually shifting? Or do I just like the drama of trying to figure it out?”

    Her book, Want Yourself, is based on the curriculum Katie created over the last decade.

    Discover your own personal “through line.”

    Katie has embraced being flexible in order to achieve desired outcomes. It’s all give and take


    WANTCast is in its 9th year.


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    • 1 hr 5 min
    Mark Daley: Wrong Door, Right Time

    Mark Daley: Wrong Door, Right Time

    Mark Daley describes his life as a series of wrong doors at the right time. Tune in as Mark shares his remarkable journey from growing up closeted and steeped in shame to political campaigns to pioneering LGBTQ+ rights, becoming a foster parent, and then reshaping foster care for at-risk youth. This episode will challenge everything you think you know about risk, family, and the power of unexpected moments to lead you home. Mark's story is a masterclass in turning the unexpected into the unforgettable. Tune in to uncover the life lessons hidden in unexpected places and learn why sometimes, the wrong door can lead you to exactly where you need to be. Don't miss this beautiful conversation with a man who found his voice, his purpose, and his family by embracing the twists of fate.
    Connect with Mark on his Website and Instagram. Learn more about The Foster Parent here. And grab a copy of Marks best selling book, Safe. Listen on Spotify Premium for free or support Indie bookstores and listen on Libro.fm.

    Make sure to follow this podcast everywhere you find podcasts, leave a rating and a review, and slip into our Instagram DMs at @wasitchance.

    More about Heather via @heather_vickeryandco on Instagram, @Braveheather on TikTok, and listen to The Brave Files


    More about Alan via @theatre_podcast on Instagram and listen to The Theatre Podcast with Alan Seales



    EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

    Mark’s life has been all about “wrong door, right time.”

    Working on an election campaign is crazy because you know you’re going to lose your job at some point.

    Mark started as an intern working on The Hill while still a college student. This led to eventually working on Hillary Clinton’s first presidential campaign.

    Being around politics as a teenager sparked this interest in public office.

    Safe was about telling Mark and his family’s story and seeing if it could make a difference for other families.

    Several members of Mark’s family had come from Foster Care and it always held a special place in his heart.

    Growing up Gay often comes with a sense of shame, especially for people growing up in the 80’s.

    What is One Iowa - The idea came to Mark in the shower (where all good ideas start). The message was not really about equality, it was about fairness.

    Thefosterparent.com was founded because Mark knew he could really offer was a way to recruit more foster parents and get more awareness of this issue. They do this via very targeted micro-campaigns. 

    Foster Care should always be about reunification but sometimes that simply is not possible.

    Mark connected with Lara Love Hardin as a Foster Parent who was empathetic towards the parents who have had children entered into the system.

    Taking risks is a major part of parenting but as a foster parent, it’s more difficult because of all the rules. 

    FINAL page of the book

    Failure always leads to a lesson, or perhaps the opportunity simply wasn’t the right thing for you.


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    • 1 hr 2 min
    Alison Cochrun: Authors... They're Just Like Us!

    Alison Cochrun: Authors... They're Just Like Us!

    Welcome to the beautiful world of queer romance with author Alison Cochrun. Hear about the stories behind her heartwarming novels that celebrate love's many hues and the courageous journey of self-discovery that echoes through her pages. From the award-winning "Kiss Her Once for Me" to the charm of "The Charm Offensive," and the excitement building around "Here We Go Again," Alison shares her thoughts on crafting the quirkiest, most endearing characters that resonate with readers everywhere. Discover how a feverish six-day writing stint morphed into an international bestseller, and why taking risks can lead to the most beautiful of love stories — in books and in life. Grab your favorite cozy blanket and a cup of tea; this is one conversation about life, love, and literature that you won't want to miss.
    Connect with Alison on her website and Instagram.
    Get copies of her books The Charm Offensive, Kiss Her Once for Me and Here We Go Again.

    Make sure to follow this podcast everywhere you find podcasts, leave a rating and a review, and slip into our Instagram DMs at @wasitchance.

    More about Heather via @heather_vickeryandco on Instagram, @Braveheather on TikTok, and listen to The Brave Files


    More about Alan via @theatre_podcast on Instagram and listen to The Theatre Podcast with Alan Seales



    **Content warning: We do talk about mental health and suicide towards the end of this episode. 

    EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

    Alison Cochrun chose “quirky, Queer romance” because she’s always loved a “Happily ever after” but after reading “The Wedding Date” by Jasmine Gulliory she wanted to start writing her own.

    Alison didn’t always intend to write Queer books because she didn’t know she was gay until she was 33.

    Most of her writing when she was younger was Young Adult Fantasy

    Writing “The Charm Offensive” helped Alison come out and embrace her Queerness

    From a young age Alison knew she wanted to be a writer or a teacher. Low self confidence got in the way of writing at first.

    In her mid twenties Alison was super risk adverse and had a massive fear of failure that turned her off of writing and taking the teaching path.

    Alison wrote the first draft of “The Charm Offensive” in six days - it felt like a fever dream.

    Sharing that messy first draft was the intentional risk Alison took that lead to what is now an international best seller.

    Alison writes very personal stories and, thus, gives a lot of herself to the audience when she writes a book.

    Writing characters that are based on different parts of herself allowed Alison to develop a beautiful feedback loop between herself and readers. It allowed her to continue to be more vulnerable in her writing.

    Alison shares that there is a lot of writing that happens that isn’t writing. It’s about getting to know your characters and really understand them.

    Alison is a big fan of former Was It Chance guest, Venessa Kelley who has done art for Alison’s work.

    Advice to up and coming writers: write the story you want to write - there are readers out there! Trust yourself.

    Winning the Lambda Literary award for best LGBTQ Romance in 2023 was an amazing moment in Alison’s life.

    She is currently finding opportunities to teach writing and stretch her writing skills in new genres.

    Leaving her teaching career to be a full time writer was the greatest risk of Alison’s life.


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    • 1 hr 13 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
29 Ratings

29 Ratings

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Funny, relatable & inspiring

Love the humor, fun & depth of conversation! Such amazing perspective with artists & the work they’re doing. Incredibly relatable, but inspiring.

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Intuitive, inspiring, unique!

Was it Chance is such an incredible show. The themes of serendipitous synchronicity brought out by these wildly intuitive and grounding hosts makes you feel a little more connected to humanity, and the higher powers helping us all reach our desires. So much love for this team!

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Such a FUN podcast!

This is definitely one of my favorites! Fun, fast and informative. I definitely recommend this listen to everyone I meet!

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