We Need To Talk About Whiteness - with Ali Michael and Eleonora Bartoli

Ep 63: Whiteness and white antiracism - In this episode, I'm joined by the authors of a new book which “invites White people to talk about race with one another in ways that are generative, sustaining, and lead to real change.” Starting from the words of James Baldwin and Toni Morrison that ‘racism is a White person problem’ the authors say it’s time for White people to see how it hurts them too—and to start to do something about it. Ali Michael is the co-founder and co-director of the Race Institute for K-12 Educators, and the author of Raising Race Questions: Whiteness, Inquiry and Education (2015), winner of the 2017 Society of Professors of Education Outstanding Book Award. and Eleonora Bartoli is a clinical psychologist specializing in trauma, resilience-building, and multicultural/social justice counseling –their book is “Our Problem, Our Path: Collective Antiracism for White People.” We talk the pitfalls of white people leading antiracism initiatives, the psychology of racism and the challenges to change.