Win-Win with Liv Boeree

Liv Boeree
Win-Win with Liv Boeree

Don't hate the players, change the game! The Win-Win Podcast is an exploration of the games that drive our world. Created by poker champion Liv Boeree, it explores solutions to humanity's biggest issues through the lens of game theory. If you want to hear from some of the greatest thinkers on earth, and help defeat Moloch by turning lose-lose dilemmas into clear win-wins, this is the show for you.

  1. JUN 17

    #43 - Jamie Joyce - Democracy, Digitization and Debates

    Democracy is in deep trouble. Could replacing politicians with real data save it? In this episode Liv sits down with Jamie Joyce – founder of the Society Library — to explore one of the most urgent questions of our time: how do we make sense of complex issues in the age of misinformation, algorithmic bias, and AI slop?We hear what happens when you treat information not as content to consume, but as infrastructure to build. Jamie shares how her nonprofit is transforming fraught topics—from nuclear power to AI—into structured “libraries of reasoning” to help politicians, citizens, and even machines understand all perspectives more clearly and come to more informed conclusion.One of all you bibliophiles out there!Chapters:0:00 - Intro4:30 - Diablo Canyon Debate Map14:26 - How To Evaluate Evidence?16:18 - How To Minimize Bias?19:06 - How To Handle Bad Faith & Fringe Perspectives24:16 - What About Flat Earth Type Conspiracies?28:37 - Cyber Attacks On Internet Archive33:54 - Modernizing Government41:01 - The Evil of Corporate Lobbying49:40 - Managing Info Hazards 53:19 - Society Library Virtues And Values57:06 - When Jamie Neatly Went Blind1:01:27 - Improving The Information Ecosystem1:12:44 - Prediction Markets and Sense-making1:15:25 - Structuring Data For Improved Learning1:22:17 - Society Library Meme Token Nonsense1:32:21 - Rapid Fire Predictions1:38:51 - Jamie's Favorite Win-WinLinks: ♾️ The Society Library : https://www.societylibrary.org ♾️ Internet Archive : https://archive.org ♾️ Jamie’s X : https://x.com/justjamiejoyce?lang=en Credits♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win PodcastPoker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.Podcast links♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #Democracy #Sensemaking

    1h 43m

  2. MAY 21

    #42 - Anthony Aguirre and Malo Bourgon - Why Superintelligent AI Should Not Be Built

    Humanity is in a race to build superintelligent AI gods. What happens if we create beings smarter than us—and can no longer steer them? In this special Win-Win IRL episode, Liv Boeree sits down with Anthony Aguirre (CEO of Future of Life Institute) and Malo Bourgon (CEO of MIRI) for a no-holds-barred conversation on finding alignment, avoiding power concentration and surveillance states, and the geopolitical implications of the race to AGI. Questions include: Why can’t the market be trusted to self-regulate AI? Why does power concentration in AI pose such a massive threat to democracy? And what happens when even well-meaning developers lose control of the systems they’ve built?  We also explore win-win solutions—from compute governance and open-source safety measures, to collaborative international treaties and new models for responsible innovation. Also keep an eye out So buckle up for a provocative episode that challenges assumptions and asks what it will really take to keep the future human. Chapters: 0:00 - Intro 4:08 - Different Categories of Risks 10:51 - Why Can't the Market Manage AI Risks Sufficiently? 15:33 - The Dangers of Power Concentration 22:52 - What Solution Space Exists? 32:55 - Should Compute be Regulated? 38:38 - Taylor Capito - Are we at an Evolutionary Nexus 42:07 - JD Ross - Decentralization vs Centralization 46:46 - Isabelle Boemeke - Nuclear Power & AI 51:06 - Peter Wang - Wrong Stories Attract the Wrong People 57:39 - Aurora Quinn-Elmore & Eliezer Yudkowsky - Coherent Extrapolated Volition 1:05:59 - Can Win-Win be embedded into AI?  Links:  ♾️ Keep the Future Human Paper: https://keepthefuturehuman.ai  ♾️  Future of Life Institute: https://futureoflife.org  ♾️  MIRI: https://intelligence.org  ♾️  Superintelligence Book by Nick Bostrom - https://www.amazon.com/Superintelligence-Dangers-Strategies-Nick-Bostrom/dp/0198739834 Credits: ♾️  Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️  Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube:   https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f  ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350  ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2   #AGI #podcast #aialignment

    1h 8m

  3. MAY 2

    #41 - Harper Carroll - AI & The Spirituality of Silicon Valley

    What if AI isn’t replacing us—but redefining what it means to be skilled? Liv talks with engineer and educator Harper Carroll about how AI is transforming education, leveling the playing field for creators, and reshaping how we build, learn, and make decisions. A grounded look at the tools, challenges, and surprising upsides of the AI era, as well as a personal exploration of the spirituality (or lack of it) in Silicon Valley. Chapters 01:04 - Intro & Harper’s Story 04:58 - Growing a Following 07:18 - AI vs Machine Learning 11:18 - Harper’s Mission 18:43 - Her Favorite Applications of AI 27:27 - Choosing Between AI Tools 29:46 - Integrating AI in Schools 33:11 - Regulation to Prevent Over-Financial Optimization 36:59 - Leveling the Playing Field with AI 46:40 - Should People Still Learn to Code? 51:05 - AI Therapists? 57:54 - AI & Spirituality 1:02:28 - Cultivating Intuition and Wisdom 1:09:23 - Silicon Valley, Tech Bros and Femininity 1:16:00 - AI Generated Scams 1:21:13 - The Cat-and-Mouse Game of Scammers 1:28:23 - The Hive Mind 1:35:05- Agency and Gratitude ♾️ Harper IG : https://www.instagram.com/harpercarrollai/?hl=en ♾️ Harper Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/@HarperCarrollAI ♾️ Harper X : https://x.com/harperscarroll?lang=en Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. Podcast links ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@LivBoeree ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUa... ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts... #winwinpodcast #AI #technology

    1h 39m

  4. APR 18

    #40 - Lewis Bollard - How to End Factory Farming

    Factory farming is one of the most universally loathed industries on Earth —so why is it still growing? Today I chat with Lewis Bollard, a leading researcher in farm animal welfare and global food policy, to understand the true scale and impact of industrial animal agriculture, and what we can do to improve it. We hear how corporate lobbying and political corruption have allowed the normalization of practices so harmful to both human and animal health they will take your breath away… including irresponsibility towards deadly pathogens like H5N1, intentional animal torture, massive antibiotic overuse and environmental contamination of large areas downstream of these giant intensive farms. On the more positive side, we explore the growing bipartisan support for animal welfare among voters, and how simple ballot measures could radically shift the future of our food back onto a healthier, more win-win path. So strap in for an intense episode—but one that’s packed with practical solutions and reasons for hope. 0:00 - Intro & Lewis's life story 4:20 - What Qualifies as a Factory Farm? 14:20 - The Human Cost Of Factory Farming 20:33 - U.S. Labeling Standards 25:11 - Pandemic Risks from Factory Farming 31:45 - Environmental Impacts 36:28 - Mental Health Of Farm Workers 43:13 - Undercover Reporting 48:14 - Political Corruption and Incentives 53:14 - EATS Act & the Farm Bill 1:00:32 - Ag-gag Laws 1:04:32 - Improvements & Solutions 1:17:29 - Government Subsidies 1:24:02 - Technological Solutions 1:31:08 - Cultivated Meat 1:39:52 - What YOU can do! 1:45:38 - Finding a Win-Win Future of Farming Links : ♾️ US Statistics on Factory Farming: https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/almost-all-livestock-in-the-united-states-is-factory-farmed ♾️ Global Statistics on Factory Farming https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-animals-are-factory-farmed ♾️Voters Demand Farm Animal Protections : https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2022/8/2/voters-demand-farm-animal-protections-from-both-politicians-and-companies ♾️ Take Action to Oppose the EATS act / anti Prop 12 addition to the Farm Bill: https://animalequality.org/stop-eats-act/ ♾️ Follow Lewis on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Lewis_Bollard ♾️ Follow Lewis on Substack: https://substack.com/@farmanimalwelfare Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. Podcast links ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #animalwelfare #factoryfarming

    1h 48m

  5. APR 3

    #39 - Daniel Kokotajlo - Wargames, Superintelligence & Quitting OpenAI

    AI is developing at breakneck speed—but are we properly prepared for what’s coming? To explore this question Igor and I grabbed leading AI researcher and forecaster Daniel Kokotajlo for a conversation about why he left OpenAI, what's right and wrong with their company culture, and how tabletop wargames are one of the best tools we have to prepare for AGI and superintelligence in the current hyper-competitive environment. Learn how these simulations—often used by militaries—can help us better forecast the geopolitical and technical dynamics of AI development, and why so many of them end with one person taking over the world. The gang also explore the challenges of AI alignment, incentive structures and reasons for hope. And of course, lots of predictions. Win-Win! Chapters 0:00 - Intro 01:06 - AI Wargame & Superintelligence 05:15 - Resigning from OpenAI 09:15 - That Non-Disparagement Clause & His Equity 12:50 - Could OpenAI's behavior be Justified? 20:50 - Governance in a world with AGI 23:49 - Grading Daniel's AI predictions 31:37 - Hyperstition yay or nay? 38:09 - AI war games 46:50 - AI deception and misalignment 53:27 - More AI war games 1:03:16 - Common sense AI policies 1:23:01 - Science Fiction 1:27:12 - Rapid fire predictions Links : ♾️ Daniel's new Predictions : https://ai-2027.com ♾️ His Historic predictions : https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/6Xgy6CAf2jqHhynHL/what-2026-looks-like ♾️ AI - Futures: https://ai-futures.org ♾️ Time Article on Daniel : https://time.com/7086285/ai-transparency-measures/ ♾️ Professional Wargaming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wargaming ♾️ UN Pandemic Exercise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoLw-Q8X174&list=PL9-oVXQX88esnrdhaiuRdXGG7XOVYB9Xm&index=2 ♾️ Leopold Aschenbrenner’s “Situational Awareness”: https://situational-awareness.ai/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/situationalawareness.pdf ♾️ Daniel’s X: https://x.com/DKokotajlo Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree & Igor Kurganov ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. Podcast links ♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #ai #openai

    1h 33m

  6. MAR 19

    #38 - Manu Meel - Healing Political Polarization

    Protests, lock-ins, encampments…the culture on university campuses is certainly fraught these days! As political discourse worsens among young people, I couldn’t think of anyone better to explore this issue with than Manu Meel.  Manu is the founder and CEO of Bridge USA; a movement to help students and other young people engage in constructive dialogue and disagreement to improve the quality of politics and democracy, and in this conversation we hear his powerful journey from pre-med student to leading one of the most influential youth organizations in America. Chapters : 00:00 - Intro 01:35 - What Is Bridge USA0 7:19 - Understanding The Social Divide 19:03 - What A Classic Bridge Session Looks Like 25:35 - Who Attends Bridge Sessions 33:24 - Incentivizing Understanding 40:21 - Managing Bad Faith Actors 47:24 - Movement Building 52:23 - Where Zero Sum Can Be Positive 58:16 - Changes On Campuses Since Trump Election 01:02:35 - Ten Percent Problem 01:06:33 - What Would A Social Media Redesign Look Like 01:18:03 - Bridging The Political Divide In Government 01:23:42 - Manu’s Mindset Links:  BridgeUSA: https://bridgeusa.org  2017 Berkeley protests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests  Why Bother Bridging Differences in College, Anyway?: https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/why_bother_bridging_differences_in_college_anyway  What students really think about cancel culture: https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/02/college-campus-free-speech-cancel-culture/621484/  Manu X: https://x.com/manumeel_?lang=en  Forbes Profile: https://www.forbes.com/profile/manu-meel/ The Coddling of the American Mind: https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Generation/dp/0141986301?tag=googhydr-20&source=dsa&hvcampaign=books&gclid=Cj0KCQjws-S-BhD2ARIsALssG0bzR-EjXTbiUf1i4UBiffPJvMi5IfpxEK6n6J6m049zsbW5nVKOYeMaAjVvEALw_wcB  Credits: ♾️  Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️  Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page ♾️  Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. Podcast links: ♾️ Youtube:   • Win-Win with Liv Boeree   ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350  ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2

    1h 30m

  7. MAR 13

    #37 - Tim Urban - Beating Procrastination, Parenthood, and Politics

    In this episode of the Win Win Podcast, Liv and Igor sit down with Wait But Why creator Tim Urban to explore everything from his unexpected pet tortoise, Winston, to the mind-bending implications of superintelligent AI.We hear about his latest foray into book writing, and how he’s structured his workflow to overcome his damn procrastination monkey. The crew also discuss such classics as free will, parenthood and the current state of (un) freedom of speech in the UK. Fun stuff. Chapters:0:00 - Intro 1:27 - Book Writing 11:33 - Thoughts On Free Will 15:54 - Liv & Tim's Wager 34:26 - Systems for Work, Life and Progress 37:52 - Parenthood 43:02 - Picking the Right Life Partner 48:47 - That Bloody Heat Map 1:00:38 - Political Changes and Currents 1:15:07 - UK Political Degradation 1:22:40 - Surveillance and Government Overreach 1:33:17 - Rapid Fire Predictions Links: ♾️ Wait But Why Blog: https://waitbutwhy.com ♾️ What's our problem? Book: https://waitbutwhy.com/whatsourproblem ♾️ Heat Map study : https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12227-0 ♾️ Apple pulls data protection feature in UK : https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-removing-end-to-end-cloud-encryption-feature-uk-bloomberg-news-reports-2025-02-21/ Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.

    1h 37m

  8. FEB 21

    #00 - Daniel Schmachtenberger - AI, Capitalism, Misalignment & Moloch

    A deep dive into the game theory and exponential growth underlying our modern economic system, and how recent advancements in AI are poised to turn up the pressure on that system -- and our wider environment -- in ways we have never seen before. Not a conversation for the faint hearted, but crucial nonetheless. Daniel Schmachtenberger is a founding member of The Consilience Project, a research organization aimed at improving public sense-making around global catastrophic risks and technology. This conversation is the first episode of the Win-Win Podcast, which explores healthier ways to harness the power of competition. Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 02:17 - Moloch Framework 12:16 - Meta Crisis 26:48 - Bad People or Bad System? 31:09 - Capitalism & Moloch 40:08 - Misalignment 51:31 - Incentive Pressures Driving Misalignment 57:58 - Moloch Driving AI Development 01:00:50 - AI Risks Pre AGI 01:07:31 - AI Accelerates Existing Systemic Issues 01:15:35 - Social Media01:19:07 - Alternative Goals 01:23:56 - Cooperation on AI 01:28:16 - Call to Action Daniel's Links ♾️ The Consilience Project: https://consilienceproject.org ♾️ Green Pill | The Metacrisis:    • The Metacrisis with Daniel Schmachten...   ♾️ Bend Not Break series |    • Daniel Schmachtenberger “Bend Not Bre...   ♾️ Meditations on Moloch by SlateStarCodex: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ ♾️ The Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.

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Don't hate the players, change the game! The Win-Win Podcast is an exploration of the games that drive our world. Created by poker champion Liv Boeree, it explores solutions to humanity's biggest issues through the lens of game theory. If you want to hear from some of the greatest thinkers on earth, and help defeat Moloch by turning lose-lose dilemmas into clear win-wins, this is the show for you.

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  • Creator
    Liv Boeree
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2025
  • Episodes
    45
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    Clean
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    © Liv Boeree
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