Conversations With a Wounded Healer Sarah Buino, Head/Heart Business Therapy

Virtual meet-cutes are my jam. Vilmarie Fraguada Narloch, PsyD, and I bonded on IG over our shared love for collaborative music-making and the radical regeneration of the group practice blueprint. She’s the amazing co-founder of Sana Healing Collective in Chicago, a non-profit committed to individualized, client-led approaches to psychedelic-assisted therapy for everyone, especially those most affected by the war on drugs. 
If you’re curious about the collective decision-making process, earnings potential, and 501(c)(3) of it all (and, even if you’re not), this convo will shift your perspective on what’s possible beyond the bounds of our current group practice model.
GUEST BIO Vilmarie Fraguada Narloch, PsyD. (she/her/ella) is a licensed psychologist focusing on integrated treatment of co-occurring mental health and substance use disorders. She is an activist working to end the War on Drugs and advocates for science and reality-based drug education and harm reduction approaches for all. She approaches her work from a harm-reductionist and humanistic lens, focusing on the individual needs of the person, group, or community. She received a certificate in psychedelic therapies and research from the California Institute of Integral Studies in 2018.
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It’s not every day that I get to chat with a pioneer in the trauma field, so gimme a moment to geek out over Janina Fisher, Ph.D. the esteemed psychotherapist, consultant, trainer, and author. She’s an international expert on the treatment of trauma, best known for her work on integrating mindfulness-based and somatic interventions into trauma treatment and an absolute legend.
Janina dispenses some wisdom during our conversation regarding the ever-evolving study of trauma,TikTok diagnoses, and therapists doing their own work (!). She also spills tea all over capitalism’s outsized devotion to evidence-based therapies. I’m here for all of it!
GUEST BIO Janina Fisher, Ph.D., is a licensed clinical psychologist and international expert on the treatment of trauma. She's the author of Healing the Fragmented Selves of Trauma Survivors, overcoming Self Alienation, transforming the Living Legacy of Trauma, a workbook for survivors and therapists, and the Living Legacy instructional flip chart. She's best known for her work on integrating mindfulness based and somatic inter interventions into trauma treatment.
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Anne’s Website:
www.spareroomwellness.com
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Happy clinicians are vital to a thriving practice, especially since not every therapist is interested in being a sole proprietor. So, how do owners navigate the tricky mechanics of operating a business while providing meaningful group guidance without losing their sh*t? Good question. Enter Cassandra Greenwald, LCSW, CADC, of Rowan Tree Counseling, with heartfelt answers for employees and owners.
We poke at some tender spots: an owner’s right to privacy vs an employee’s desire for transparency, individual ambitions vs collective objectives, and the financial realities of operating within a capitalist economy.
GUEST BIO Cassandra Greenwald, LCSW, CADC (she/they) is a therapist, writer maker, relationship builder, and connector first raised on the East Coast, then watered and grown in the picturesque.Pacific Northwest, and currently settled in the great city of Chicago. Cassandra works hard every day to be the queer feminist, anti-capitalist, social justice warrior of conservative nightmares.
Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting.
Here’s How:
1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 
2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions.
3. Take a screenshot of your review.
4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024.
5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024.
Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist
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Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places…
Sarah’s Website:
www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast
Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/
Instagram:
@headheartbiztherapy
Anne’s Website:
www.spareroomwellness.com
Instagram:
@spareroomwellness
 

Red pill-ers! Trad gender roles! Manly men, rawr! With an introduction like that, you’d be forgiven for thinking that Anne and I had joined the manosphere. No worries there. Instead, Anne has found a male ally who is making modest but meaningful inroads with cishet dudes, specifically the ones prone to tumbling down rabbit holes of toxic masculinity and misogyny. And his tool of choice is peer-reviewed, evidence-based research.
Meet Neil Shyminsky. By day, he’s an English professor at a community college in Canada. But by night. Professor Neil, as he’s known on most socials, is a content creator focusing on social theory and masculinity. 
GUEST BIO Neil Shyminsky (he/him) is an English professor at a community college by day, currently teaching courses on Contemporary Literature and Human Sexuality. By night, he’s a content creator who talks mostly about social theory and masculinity, specializing in refuting the misogynist arguments coming out of the Manosphere.
Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting.
Here’s How:
1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 
2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions.
3. Take a screenshot of your review.
4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024.
5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024.
Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist
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Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places…
Sarah’s Website:
www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast
Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/
Instagram:
@headheartbiztherapy
Anne’s Website:
www.spareroomwellness.com
Instagram:
@spareroomwellness
 

I totally started this podcast on a whim––but not without a keen understanding of the pain points that group practice owners routinely encounter complain about. I’ve since realized that vital voices are missing from the conversation: group practice employees. 
I extended an invitation via the BOPO Chicago Facebook group. Lucky for us, Andie Baumgartner, MA, LCPC, and Nadia Parfenova, MA, LCPC, owner and senior therapist, respectively, of Rowan Tree Counseling, answered that call. This convo is juicy, y’all! 
We explore themes of responsibility, transparency, and intentionality from both sides of the group practice relationship. Our detour into the thorny subject of hierarchies and the urgency that often accompanies their abolishment is one that I didn’t anticipate yet totally appreciate. 
GUEST BIO Andie Baumgartner, MA, LCPC (she/her) is a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor and has been working in the mental health field since 2008. She completed graduate training and received a Masters Degree from The Chicago School of Professional Psychology. Andie began her career working in residential and community mental health settings, gaining experience working with individuals seeking relief from anxiety, depression, and bipolar disorder. She’s also worked extensively with clients recovering from traumatic experiences. She specializes in working with individuals seeking a greater sense of balance, who want to live a more values-aligned life, and those struggling with non-monogamous and other alternative relationships. Andie is anti-racist, Queer-allied, sex-positive, polyamory-affirming, and kink-knowledgable.
Nadia Parfenova, MA, LCPC (she/her) is a Licensed Professional Counselor and completed graduate training in Clinical Psychology at Roosevelt University in 2019. She has experience working with teens and adults experiencing severe anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and eating disorders in partial hospitalization, intensive outpatient, and outpatient settings. Nadia has also worked with individuals with autism spectrum disorder and those healing from traumatic experiences. Her approach to therapy is integrative as she pulls from both more directive approaches (CBT, DBT) and client-centered guidance and support to treat anxiety, depression, behavioral issues, trauma, relationship concerns, and self-esteem issues. Nadia is also well-versed in ERP and has found it particularly successful in supporting individuals struggling with OCD. She is a native Russian speaker and can provide therapy in Russian and English.
Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting.
Here’s How:
1. Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 
2. Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions.
3. Take a screenshot of your review.
4. Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024.
5. We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024.
Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist
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For the sake of mutual safety, this episode is preceded by a content advisory regarding sexual trauma and minor-attracted persons. Please take care of yourself as you need, even if that means skipping this conversation.
Your body belongs to YOU. I open with this power-stance of a statement because I didn’t get that message as a child, adolescent, or young adult. In fact, I’ve only just begun to really grow into that knowledge as I heal from sexual trauma. Here’s another a-ha! from this episode: healing takes time. 
I’m grateful to folks like Dr. Lori Beth Bisbey for repeatedly reminding me of these essentials. She has been a champion of sizzling sex without shame for 35+ years, and her work destigmatizes fetishes, BDSM, and non-monogamy. Lori Beth’s healing journey also provides encouragement for survivors of sexual trauma alongside a healthy dose of reality.
GUEST BIO Dr. Lori Beth Bisbey (she/her) is a psychologist, accredited advanced GSRD (gender, sex, relationship diversity) therapist, sex & intimacy coach, author, speaker and tv personality currently starring in Open House: The Great Sex Experiment, CH4 in the UK.  She has been working with people for the past 35 years helping them to create and sustain their ideal relationships containing sizzling sex without shame. She has a weekly podcast, The A to Z Of Sex® since 2016 and is currently touring the UK speaking about kink, fetish, BDsM, and non-monogamy.
Celebrate our Anne-iversary and Win! We are celebrating Anne Remy’s one-year anniversary as co-host of the show. Join us by leaving a review for Conversations With a Wounded Healer on Apple Podcasts. Tell us how and why you appreciate Anne’s contributions to the show and you will be entered to win a drawing for a 1-on-1 session with Sarah or Anne. Sarah is offering the choice between business coaching or Reiki. Anne is offering the choice between yoga or travel consulting.
Here’s How:
1.) Go to https://ratethispodcast.com/woundedhealer 
2.) Click the link for Apple Podcasts and follow the instructions.
3.) Take a screenshot of your review.
4.) Email the screenshot to sarah@headhearbiztherapy.com between March 6 - April 24, 2024.
5.) We will do a drawing and email the winners the week of April 24, as well as announce on social media May 1, 2024.
Groups for Wounded Healers We’re currently running one cohort of the Burnt Out Practice Owner support group and Authentic Leaders group. Please join the waitlists to be updated about future groups: Burnt Out Practice Owner Support Group Waitlist and Authentic Leaders Group - Fall 2024 Waitlist
SUPPORT THE SHOW
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***
Let’s be friends! You can find us in the following places…
Sarah’s Website:
www.headheartbiztherapy.com/podcast
Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/HeadHeartBizTherapy/
Instagram:
@headheartbiztherapy
Anne’s Website:
www.spareroomwellness.com
Instagram:
@spareroomwellness