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We’re bringing back one of our most popular episodes ever on the pod - featuring “The Body Keeps the Score” author Dr. Bessel van der Kolk. And for a fun NEW take on the episode, Jen Hatmaker has asked one of her best friends, Amy Hardin, to join her to discuss their thoughts on this episode! Listen as Jen and Amy discuss their meet cute and then wade into the episode which delves into the relationship between trauma and the body, relating their personal experiences around this. 
Dr. Van Der Kolk is a psychiatrist, author, researcher and author of the book The Body Keeps The Score. He has spent most of his career researching the causes of post traumatic stress, and is continuing to come away with groundbreaking discoveries about the power of our bodies to protect and shield us. Dr. Van Der Kolk brings us to the intersection of embodiment, mental well-being, and neuroscience and examines how we can understand our bodies’ response to trauma so we can embrace our healing.
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“People think about trauma as that thing that happened a long time ago. But that's not the issue, because that thing is over. It happened last year or 10 years ago, it's not happening today. But the traces that it leaves inside of you, are happening now.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk 
“When you're traumatized, you try to not have all the sensations and feelings, and you turn on music loudly, or you drink or you take drugs, to make those feelings go away. And then to experience your feelings becomes very difficult.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk 
“The most elementary thing is breathing. Our breath is the one thing in our body that happens whether we want it or not. And we can learn to breathe differently. So there's a physiological function that gives us access to some core pieces of ourselves, where you slow down your breath, you focus on breath, you activate your parasympathetic nervous system, and you do become calmer. That's where you start.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk  
“You cannot take care of yourself unless you accept yourself for who you are.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk 
“When you're traumatized, one thing becomes another thing. So to open that up, and open up the mind to new possibilities is incredibly important.” - Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
The Body Keeps The Score by Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3zyCVPk
Guest’s Links:
Dr. Van Der Kolk’s Website - https://www.besselvanderkolk.com
Dr. Van Der Kolk’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/thebodykeepsthescore
Dr. Van Der Kolk’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thebodykeepsthescore/
Dr. Van Der Kolk’s YouTube - https://bit.ly/3RZpoa8
Connect with Jen!
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Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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Kirsten Powers is a tenured news analyst who lived inside our modern age’s belly of the beast — 24-Hour Network News. Kirsten Powers lived and breathed as a senior news analyst at Fox News and then CNN for years. Eventually, she hit a breaking point and realized living full throttle, enraged about the state of the world, wasn't doing her or anyone she loved any favors. She pulled back and began examining what it would be like if she stayed engaged in political news but also still centered and compassionate. Through her examination, she wrote an entire book about how to embrace grace and disengage from inflammatory discourse called “Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts.”

If you need some advice on how to balance that tightrope walk of being informed and actionable but not totally defeated by the litany of bad news, please join Jen and Kirsten as they determine what grace looks like when the world feels culturally and politically on fire. 

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“I feel like what our culture is missing is grace. We don't have grace for each other, and I don't have grace for people, and I don't think other people have grace for people, for the most part. And I think it's because we don't really understand grace.” - Kirsten Powers
“When you call things out, you need to call it behavior. You need to say, "You're doing X, Y, and Z, and this is a problem," versus, "You are X, Y, and Z, and you are a problem.” - Kirsten Powers
“Boundaries were really hard for me. And one of the things that I discovered was, I think I thought of boundaries as almost aggressive. You're keeping people out, and that's not actually what they are. You're actually letting people know how to be in a relationship with you. So it's actually an act of grace, right?” - Kirsten Powers
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Richard Rohr on FTL Podcast: https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast/series-16/live-yourself-into-a-new-way-of-thinking-richard-rohr/


Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/saving-grace-kirsten-powers/1138990768?ean=9780593238233

Fierce, Free and Full of Fire: The Guide to Being Glorious You https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/fierce-free-and-full-of-fire-jen-hatmaker/1132184307?ean=9780718088163&aug=1


Kirsten’s Substack Newsletter: https://kirstenpowers.substack.com/


For the Love of the Enneagram (Jen’s podcast series on the Enneagram): https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast/series/series-27/


Guest’s Links:


Kirsten’s Website: https://kirstenpowers.com/


Kirsten’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kirstenpowers10/ 


Kirsten’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/KirstenPowers/


Kirsten’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/KirstenPowers


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Bestselling author, R. Eric Thomas, wrote “Here for It” in 2020 and it continues to reverberate in the hearts and minds of readers because of its timely topics and riveting personal story—making it a perfect “revisit” for our book club community! With humor and vulnerability, Eric shares about his memoir which is equal parts hilarity and heart–and what it took to write about his intersecting identities as a Black, queer, Christian man.
Join Jen and Eric as they traverse transforming the ordinary into the profoundly funny and insightful.
Book Summary:
In his memoir of essays “Here for It,” Eric attempts to define what it means to be an “other” through his experience growing up in two very different worlds — the urban landscape of his parents home in Baltimore and then the wealthy, white suburb where he went to private school. He tries to figure out how to reconcile all of this, not just these two wildly different racial and class spaces, but also his Christian upbringing with his sexuality as a gay man; the exhaustion of code switching; accidentally finding internet fame; covering the 2016 election and all of that aftermath. Ultimately, he is seeking to answer whether the future is worth it when everything seems to be getting worse. He re-envisions what could be by placing himself at the center of his own story and sharing his experiences with us.
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Guest’s Links:
R. Eric Thomas’s Website - https://rericthomas.com/
R. Eric Thomas’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/oureric/
R. Eric Thomas’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/oureric
R. Eric Thomas’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/R.Eric.T/
Books & Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Here for It or How to Save Your Soul in America by R. Eric Thomas - https://bit.ly/3KFKdTV
The Preacher’s Wife - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Preacher%27s_Wife
Congratulations, The Best Is Over by R. Eric Thomas - https://bit.ly/3RdAY1E
Kings of Baltimore by R. Eric Thomas - https://bit.ly/3PxKvQ4
Dickinson (TV Series) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8518136/
Better Things (TV Series) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4370596/
The Moth - https://bit.ly/3Vl3YFb
Andre DeShields - https://www.andredeshields.com/
Clue (The 1985 Movie) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clue_(film)
Amy Dickinson - https://amydickinson.com/
R. Eric Thomas’s Here For It  News Letter - https://letter.rericthomas.com/
Maxine Waters - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxine_Waters 
Ann Patchett - http://www.annpatchett.com/
Festival of Homiletics - https://festivalofhomiletics.com/
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - http://jenhatmaker.com/ 
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ 
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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Our guest this week is bringing core insights into the kitchen so that everyone can: 
a.) enjoy cooking and b.) turn it from a massive chore to a bright spot in your day. Author, blogger and “accidental cook” Bri McKoy is here, talking with Jen about the best practices and advice on how to become the kind of cook you want to be for your own life. Drawn from her essential cookbook, “The Cooks Book: Recipes for Keeps and Essential Techniques to Master Everyday Cooking,” Bri wants to share what she’s learned in her kitchen so that everyone’s kitchen can become a place of confidence and joy. 
 Jen and Bri dish on: 

Why it matters where you put things in your kitchen—and how small changes can make a big impact

The Forever Grocery list, is Bri’s tried and true list of things you should always have on hand in your kitchen so that you limit your time shopping and planning

Bri’s Kitchen Techniques - simple rules that help us make decisions in the kitchen

What you need to know about pairing the right wine with the right foods and how to stock your bar with the essentials

If there’s more cooking in your life this summer with kids at home, guests coming to visit, or budget-conscious cooking when traveling, this relatable episode will give you the tools you need to de-stress your kitchen and make it a place for great food and great fun!
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“I come from a background of I didn't like cooking. I didn't wanna be in the kitchen. Every aspect of it, from the grocery shopping to the cleaning to the prepping was the worst. Then, when I started to learn how to cook, I became so much more joyful and less stressed out.” - Bri McKoy
“I have this arsenal of these five basic things. That means I have become confident and joyful in the kitchen. I teach those tips, tricks, techniques, recipes so that other people can feel like even if they depart from my cookbook, they will have success with every other recipe they try.” - Bri McKoy
“I always say that a sauce can make a meal. Like give it a glow up” - Bri McKoy
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
The Cooks Book: Recipes for Keeps and Essential Techniques to Master Everyday Cooking - https://bit.ly/3DQg6Ws
Cooking MeCourse ft. Jen and Bri - https://jenhatmaker.com/me-course/cooking/ 
Feed These People (Jen’s cookbook) - https://jenhatmaker.com/feed-these-people/ 
The Joy of Cooking (Cookbook) - https://bit.ly/3YpPbdv 
Country Crock Buttery Spread - https://bit.ly/3OrCRER 
Wine & Spirit Education Trust - https://bit.ly/3OMZPb1
Come and Eat: A Celebration of Love and Grace Around the Everyday Table (Bri’s Latest Cookbook) - https://bit.ly/3qqt89T
Guest’s Links:
Bri’s Website - https://oursavorylife.com/ 
Bri’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/brimckoy 
Bri’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/brimckoy 
Bri’s Pinterest - https://www.pinterest.com/brimckoy/ 
Bri’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/brimckoy/ 
Bri’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNkSDrh24WkP4HQbCfnPtwA?
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
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Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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Do you struggle to feel truly at home in your body? We’re here to tell you; that it is possible. Our episode this week is a topic we return to often because we just can’t hear it enough; how we can heal our connections to our bodies. We have author and embodiment expert, Prentis Hemphill on the show, and she and Jen explore the idea of healing through embodied practices. 
Prentis shares poignant insights from their work in the Black community processing racial trauma through reconnecting to embodied cultural practices. Here’s another piece of good news–when you heal your connection to your body, you present a vision of embodied healing that radiates outward - from ourselves to our communities. That in turn can transform oppressive cultures through grounded love. The possibilities are endless when we take agency over our bodies!
Jen and Prentis discuss:

the definitions of somatic practices and embodied healing

the role of embodiment in individual healing, processing trauma, and developing resilience

the connection between individual embodied healing work and the potential for broader cultural/societal healing and transformation

the lack of short-term optimism for societal change, but how unshakable faith rooted in human connection and community will eventually turn the tide

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Thought-Provoking Quotes;
"Somatics is the study of how our experiences and traumas live in the body. It's also a story of how our bodies can be resilient." - by Prentis Hemphill
"I think, generally, the times I feel most free are when I'm with my people and feel fully accepted and loved. When we're eating or dancing or we're cracking up and falling off the couch is when my body feels the absolute freest — when I'm in a loving community." - by Prentis Hemphill
"I love embodiment. I think a lot of it fundamentally is trying to point us in the direction of relationship and authenticity, courage, and care. I think that's when we will be most embodied is when we can live those values." - by Prentis Hemphill
"I think, generally, our culture just doesn't take the space and time to grieve the things that we need to grieve. We haven't celebrated the things we need to celebrate. There's a lot of denial and that stifles our growth. It keeps us, as a society, deeply immature. And I think if we could make some space for those things, a lot would change." - by Prentis Hemphill
"There are no more words that can be said. We can keep talking, but there are not really any more words to say. There's something that has to happen. It has to take root in your belly. It has to be expressed through your actions. You have to change." - by Prentis Hemphill
"To do anything [to create change] is going to be contingent on our ability to stay in relationship with each other." - by Prentis Hemphill
Resources Mentioned in This Episode;
The Black Embodiment Initiative at The Embodiment Institute - https://bit.ly/3xhlAda
You Are Your Best Thing edited by Tarana Burke and Brené Brown - https://bit.ly/3z09C88
Holding Change by Adrienne Maree Brown - https://bit.ly/3RlD3Ig
The Politics of Trauma by Staci Haynes - https://bit.ly/4cjpFwk
What it Takes to Heal by Prentis Hemphill - https://bit.ly/4eoC6ZB
Guest’s Links:
Prentis’ Website - https://prentishemphill.com/
Prentis’ Twitter - https://twitter.com/prentishemphill
Prentis’ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/prentishemphill
Prentis’ Finding Our Way Podcast - https://linktr.ee/findingourwaypod
Prentis’ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/prentishemphill

Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
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Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

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Coming in hot for our Queer Futures series, we’re bringing you an interview previously aired on For The Love’s Premium Podcast channel with celebrity Peloton instructor, Cody Rigsby. Cody has gained a devoted following through his engaging and motivational fitness classes on the Peloton platform. He talks about his memoir "XOXO Cody: An Opinionated Homosexual's Guide to Self-Love, Relationships and Tactful Pettiness" in which he opens up about transitioning from professional dance to fitness, his relationship with his mother who struggled with addiction and bipolar disorder, and how he aims to empower others through vulnerability and self-love. With his vibrant personality and inspirational story, Cody has become a celebrity in his own right. 
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“I think the biggest obstacle to someone starting a fitness journey is feeling intimidated. You don't know what you're doing. You don't look like the people that are at the gym. Your body doesn't know what it's doing. So it's super overwhelming. So if you can take that and push it all to the side and just be like, ‘Okay, [where] in this space can I have fun?’” - Cody Rigsby
“No matter how much we love anybody in our life, specifically our parents, dealing with addiction is hard. It's challenging. You don't really know the effects of it when you're a kid until you look back as an adult and be like, ‘Oh wow, that was really messed up.’” - Cody Rigsby
“In life, it gets so busy. We're wrapped up in work, we really forget what life used to be or the struggles that we had and the aspirations that we have. Then you sit in the present and you have a moment of gratitude and say to yourself, ‘Wow, I have a lot of the things that I always wanted and I've let go of so many of the things that were holding me back.” - Cody Rigsby
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Cody on Dancing with the Stars - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JjDU_DKpeQ
One Peloton Community - https://www.onepeloton.com/blog/ 
XOXO, Cody: An Opinionated Homosexual’s Guide to Self-Love, Relationships, and Tactful Pettiness - https://bit.ly/3z0FkSN  
Dancing with the Stars ft. Cody Rigsby - https://bit.ly/4cjlCjv 
Jess King: Peloton Instructor - https://www.onepeloton.com/instructors/bike/jessicaking 
Robin Arzón: Peloton Instructor - https://www.onepeloton.com/instructors/bike/jessicaking 
Glamorous (Netflix TV Series) - https://www.netflix.com/title/81076871 
Tiger King (Netflix Documentary) - https://www.netflix.com/title/81115994
Guest’s Links:
Cody’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/codyrigsby/
Cody’s Peloton Page - https://www.onepeloton.com/instructors/bike/codyrigsby 
Cody’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/codyrigsbyfitness/ 
Cody’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/CodyRigsby 
Connect with Jen!
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