It Has To Be Said Justin Leaf & Joe Cihon

Previously known as Rants with Justin & Joe, It Has to be Said with Justin & Joe is a monthly podcast during which Justin, Joe, and their guests discuss topics that are pertinent to behavior analysis and intervention for autistics/individuals diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder. Each episode involves an open and frank discussion about the topic.  
 
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During this episode we chat with Hank Schlinger and Elbert (Eb) Blakely. Hank is a Professor in the Department of Psychology at California State University, Los Angeles and the author of Introduction to Scientific Psychology, A Behavior Analytic View of Child Development, and How to Build Good Behavior and Self-Esteem in Children. Eb is an Assistant Professor at Florida Institute of Technology, where he teaches courses in applied behavior analysis, radical behaviorism, and behavior pharmacology. He also provides consultation to organizations and providers who deliver ABA services to children and adults. We chat with Hank and Eb about a Mediational Account of Equivalence and Verbal Relations. 
 
CEU OBJECTIVES: 
Listeners will be able to describe a mediational account of equivalence and verbal relations. 
Listeners will be able to describe at least one example of how a mediational account of equivalence and verbal relations relates to practice. 
Listeners will be able to how a mediational account of equivalence and verbal relations differs from other accounts of so-called emergent or derived relations. 
 
RESOURCES: 
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Sidman, M. (1971). Reading and auditory-visual equivalences. Journal of speech and hearing research, 14(1), 5 - 13. https://doi.org/https://doi.org/10.1044/jshr.1401.05  
Horne, P. J., & Lowe, C. F. (1996). On the origins of naming and other symbolic behavior. Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior, 65(1), 185 - 241. https://doi.org/10.1901/jeab.1996.65-185 
Hayes, S. C., Barnes-Holmes, D., & Roche, B. (2001). Relational frame theory: A post-Skinnerian account of human language and cognition. New York: Plenum.  
Blakely, E., & Schlinger, H. (1987). Rules: Function-altering contingency-specifying stimuli. The Behavior Analyst, 10(2), 183-187. https://doi.org/10.1007/BF03392428  
Schlinger, H. D., Jr., & Blakely, E. (1994). A descriptive taxonomy of environmental operations and its implications for behavior analysis. The Behavior Analyst, 17(1), 43-57. https://doi.org/10.1007/BF03392652  
Schlinger, H. D. (2008). Listening is behaving verbally. The Behavior Analyst, 31(2), 145-161. https://doi.org/10.1007/bf03392168  
McIntire, K. D., Cleary, J., & Thompson, T. (1987). Conditional relations by monkeys: Reflexivity, symmetry, and transitivity. Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior, 47(3), 279 - 285. https://doi.org/10.1901/jeab.1987.47-279  
 

Progressive ABA Curriculum Considerations

During this episode we chat with Jessica Piazza and John McEachin. Jessica is the Project Manager for Certification for the Progressive Behavior Analyst Autism Council® (PBAAC®) and John is the President of the PBAAC. The PBAAC was established to provide credentials in the field of ABA as it applies to progressive intervention for individuals diagnosed with ASD. We ask Jessica and John about all things PBAAC including how it differs from other certifications in the field, what the future looks like for the PBAAC, and how others can learn more about the PBAAC and progressive ABA. 
 
 
CEU OBJECTIVES: 
Listeners will be able to identify the possible benefits and limitations of certification. 
Listeners will be able to identify at least 2 distinguishing features of a progressive approach to ABA. 
Listeners will be able to identify at least 2 ways in which the PBAAC certifications are different than currently available certifications. 
 
RESOURCES: 
https://progressivebehavioranalyst.org 
Leaf, J. B., Leaf, R., McEachin, J., Taubman, M., Ala'i-Rosales, S., Ross, R. K., Smith, T., & Weiss, M. J. (2016). Applied behavior analysis is a science and, therefore, progressive. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders, 46(2), 720 - 731. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10803-015-2591-6  
Leaf, J. B., Cihon, J. H., Leaf, R., McEachin, J., & Taubman, M. (2016). A progressive approach to discrete trial teaching: Some current guidelines. International Electronic Journal of Elementary Education, 9(2), 361 - 372. http://iejee.com/index/makale/344/a-progressive-approach-to-discrete-trial-teaching-some-current-guidelines  
Milne, C. M., Leaf, J. B., Weiss, M. J., Ferguson, J. L., Cihon, J. H., Lee, M. S., Leaf, R., & McEachin, J. (2022). A preliminary evaluation of conventional and progressive approaches of discrete trial teaching for teaching tact relations with children diagnosed with autism. Education and Treatment of Children, 45(4), 357-381. https://doi.org/10.1007/s43494-022-00084-4  
Ferguson, J. L., Cihon, J. H., Majeski, M. J., Milne, C. M., Leaf, J. B., McEachin, J., & Leaf, R. (2022). Toward efficiency and effectiveness: Comparing equivalence-based instruction to progressive discrete trial teaching. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 15(4), 1296-1313. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-022-00687-8  
 
 
 

During this episode we had the privilege to talk with Malika Pritchett. Malika is an Assistant Professor of Practice in the Department of Applied Behavioral Science at the University of Kansas. We discuss all thigs social validity and invalidity. More specifically we discuss what social invalidity is and is not, and, surprise, it is not just the inverse of social validity.  
 
CEU OBJECTIVES: 
Listeners will be able to define social validity and identify the process of assessing social validity. 
Listeners will be able to define social invalidity. 
Listeners will be able to identify different types of consumers that can be used to assess social validity.  

RESOURCES : 
Aragon-Guevara, D., Castle, G., Sheridan, E., & Vivanti, G. (2023). The reach and accuracy of information on autism on tiktok. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders. Advance Online Publication. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10803-023-06084-6  
Baer, D. M., Wolf, M. M., & Risley, T. (1987). Some still-current dimensions of applied behavior analysis. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 20(4), 313-327. https://doi.org/10.1901/jaba.1987.20-313  
Baer, D. M., Wolf, M. M., & Risley, T. R. (1968). Some current dimensions of applied behavior analysis. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 1(1), 91-97. https://doi.org/10.1901/jaba.1968.1-91  
Ferguson, J. L., Cihon, J. H., Leaf, J. B., Van Meter, S. M., McEachin, J., & Leaf, R. (2019). Assessment of social validity trends in the journal of applied behavior analysis. European Journal of Behavior Analysis, 20(1), 146-157. https://doi.org/10.1080/15021149.2018.1534771  
Schwartz, I. S., & Baer, D. M. (1991). Social validity assessments: Is current practice state of the art? Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 24(2), 189-204. https://doi.org/10.1901/jaba.1991.24-189  
Wolf, M. M. (1978). Social validity: The case for subjective measurement or how applied behavior analysis is finding its heart. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 11(2), 203-214. https://doi.org/10.1901/jaba.1978.11-203  
 

During this episode we had the privilege to talk with Jessica Cauchi. Jess is the director at Atlas Behavior Consultation and has over 25 years of experience using applied behaviour analysis to teach children, teens, and adults with autism and other developmental disabilities. Jess’ passion in clinical work is driven by a need to provide highly individualized clinical services, in a respectful instructional format. She is most focused on the development of real-life skills, choose targets for teaching that will matter for her clients and help improve their short and long term quality of life. We chat with Jess about her new book A Clinician’s Guide to Sexuality and Autism and other topics related to sexuality, ABA, and autism. 
 
CEU OBJECTIVES: 
Listeners will be able to identify some barriers to teaching skills related to sex and sexuality. 
Listeners will be able to identify some important skills related to sex and sexuality. 
Listeners will be able to identify some evidence-based methods for teaching skills related to sex and sexuality and challenges related to using these methods for some of those skills. 
 

This month's episode will welcome Dr. Bobby Newman and Jessica Cauchi to discuss the topic of Let's Talk About Sex. Affectionately known as the Dark Overlord of ABA, Bobby is the first author on 13 books regarding applied behavior analysis, the philosophy of behaviorism, autism spectrum disorders, and utopian literature. He has published over two dozen articles in professional journals, as well as numerous popular magazine articles, and has hosted two series of radio call-in shows. 

Jessica is the Director of Atlas Behaviour Consultation and a Board Certified Behaviour Analyst. She received her Master of Science degree in Applied Behaviour Analysis from St. Cloud State University in Minneapolis. She has over 18 years of experience using Applied Behaviour Analysis to teach children, teens, and adults with autism and other developmental disabilities. 

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