Beyond the Walls - Race and Diversity in Climbing

My guests this week are Ayo Sopeju and Tondé Katiyo.

They help me get into the issue that is top of mind for so many people around the world - race and diversity.

Does the climbing community have problems surrounding race that need to be fixed? Can we separate climbing from society as a whole? Do we need to create change?

Please join me in a conversation that is not always easy to have, but must be carried on in order to continue to bring awareness and ultimately, positive growth.