Service Design Show

Service Design Show
Service Design Show

Go beyond the basics of service design and learn what it truly takes to deliver services that make a positive impact on people, business and planet.

  1. The 5 Business Skills Every Design Professional Needs to Master / Ryan Scott / Ep. #222

    5 DAYS AGO

    The 5 Business Skills Every Design Professional Needs to Master / Ryan Scott / Ep. #222

    When advice goes wrong... My daughter is an avid soccer player. On a recent cold and dark Saturday morning, I was standing on the sideline cheering her on at a match - the priceless perks of being a dad. At some point, the opposing team coach was shouting to their players, "You need to defend better!" And all I could think to myself at that moment was, "That's terrible advice." Not because they were defending well - rather the opposite. But, I mean, "defend better" - would you know what you're supposed to do? Should I press higher, get closer to the attacker, make more forward runs? This type of advice often just leads to more confusion and coordination problems. Now, in design, we also get this type of well-intended but counter-productive advice all too often. Want a classic example? How about "designers need to understand business"? No sh*t Sherlock. We hear this ALL the time. Very rarely does someone go beyond the surface and get specific about what "understanding business" actually means. Fortunately for us, we have someone on the Show today who does - Ryan Scott. Ryan has an impressive track record in design, but he also holds an MBA degree. This combination is quite unique and gives him the ability to look at challenges from different perspectives with empathy for both sides. So in this episode, we unpack what it actually takes to bridge the gap between business and design. You'll be surprised to hear how many skills you already have to make this crossover successfully. It's not easy, but it's not as hard or distant as you might think, either. MBA degree not required. So, if you've ever felt frustrated by the lack of respect and appreciation for design from "the business side," this conversation might just hold the clue on how you can turn that around. I've always said that designers can be some of the best salespeople. It's really time that we start using this power to our advantage. Because we are all selling already, every single day. Enjoy and keep making a positive impact! ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to episode 222 03:00 Broad Designer Role 05:00 Business vs. Users 07:30 Why an MBA? 11:00 Business for Designers 14:00 People Skills & Clout 15:30 Design Gaslighting 21:00 Joining the Conversation 22:30 The Gap 32:00 Management-Led Design 34:00 Shaping Your Perspective 36:00 Sales & Brand 38:00 Biggest Roadblock 41:30 Reframing Our Identity 46:15 Adapting to the System 48:45 Imposter Syndrome 51:45 Proving Your Impact 54:00 Competitive Analysis 56:30 Design Career Path 1:01:00 Question to Ponder 1:02:15 Resources --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanscottcreative/ How to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie (book) - https://a.co/d/0VTXtJ3 48 laws of power by Robert Greene (book) - https://a.co/d/ftLLRom https://www.acceleratedesign.com/ Maven Learning - https://maven.com/ryan-scott --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle

    1h 5m
  2. The Real Impact of AI on Service Design / Pablo Fernández Vallejo / Ep. #221

    FEB 13

    The Real Impact of AI on Service Design / Pablo Fernández Vallejo / Ep. #221

    AI won't take over your job... An 8-year-old girl with AI will! Don't believe me? Check ou this video which was making the rounds on LinkedIn a while ago. In the video a young girl coding a Harry Potter quiz game with the help of AI. In a matter of minutes. It's a funny and striking example of where things are heading – or should I say, where they already are. It'd be naive to think service design won't be affected. But the current conversations about AI's impact often lack depth, nuance, and practical examples. We don't seem to get much further than: "AI is good" or "AI is bad." What are we even talking about when we say "AI"? We need to unpack it. Go beyond the surface. Fortunately, our guest for this episode has done some of the heavy lifting for us. As an educator at one of the leading design institutes, Pablo Fernández Vallejo has to live in the future. He's always thinking about the skills future professionals will need in 4 years' time when they graduate. And of course, being able to make full use of AI is high on the list right now. So in this episode, we sit down and talk about big questions like: Do we need to become AI experts ourselves, or should we focus on further developing our critical thinking skills? What are the risks and opportunities of bringing AI into the design process? What are the tasks that we can safely outsource to AI and which ones should we be more careful with. So, whether you're an AI skeptic or optimist, I feel this conversation will challenge your thinking and help you make more informed decisions moving ahead. A thought-provoking question in this episode is what will happen to our professional identities when AI starts to blur the boundaries between disciplines. It's not a question of if it will happen, but how quickly. Curious to hear your thoughts, so make sure to leave a comment on below. Enjoy and keep making a positive impact. ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 221 04:00 Grandparents' influence on AI perspective 06:00 Over-represented large language models 08:30 AI with a bias 11:00 Designing at the age of AI 14:00 Current state of designing with AI 17:30 Automation vs. Augmentation 19:30 AI’s Impact on Students 26:30 AI Possibilities vs. Limits 29:00 AI & Expertise Balance 30:00 Calculator analogy 32:30 AI & Service Commoditization 35:00 How AI impacts non-digital services 38:00 AI power dynamics 38:30 Service design for ai 42:30 AI as an active participant 44:30 Gaps in the society 47:15 Questions we should be asking 53:00 Sustainability & AI 55:00 Learning about past mistakes 57:00 Tech development and society conversation 59:30 The future we can build 1:00:40 Resources 1:02:00 Questions to ponder --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/pablofernandezvallejo Co-Intelligence: Living and Working with AI by Ethan Mollick (Book) Pablo's talk on Impact of AI in Service Design Pablo's post-SDGC article on the state of the conversation https://www.fernandezvallejo.com/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle

    1h 5m
  3. The Art of Responsible Service Design / KA McKercher / Ep. #220

    JAN 30

    The Art of Responsible Service Design / KA McKercher / Ep. #220

    I crossed a line... Recently, while working on redesigning our online community platform, my excitement got the better of me. I dove headfirst into prototyping a few things in the backend system. "How hard could it be, right?" (Keep this line in mind throughout the rest of the email.) Sure, I know a thing or two about programming, and if everything else fails, there's always AI to help out, right? Well, the honest conclusion a few days later, when we brought in a true expert developer, was that I had no clue what I was doing. Before the developer could implement the updates properly, we had to undo all the changes I had made. So we lost time, not once, but twice. The silly thing is, this seems to be a habit I can't shake. And I see it a lot around me as well: saying yes to challenges that are better left to experts. Of course, there are many situations where being confident and experimental gets things done. Instead of waiting and debating, we build a prototype and iterate from there. Frankly, this approach is encouraged and celebrated in our design process. But... there's a major pitfall. In the story above, the cost of my "how hard can it be?" approach was lost time. That's unfortunate but not something that will cause any major, long-term damage. Now, imagine working in a context where the stakes are much higher. Where you're intervening in people's lives. Where your solutions impact the well-being of communities. Where your approach has the potential to reduce—or increase—systemic inequalities. KA McKercher, our guest in this episode, argues that in those scenarios, we can't just rush in and take on every project that comes our way. Because when we do, and we go in with a beginner's mindset, chances are high that we might end up causing actual harm to the people who need help the most. In those situations, losing time on a project is the least of your worries. There are clearly much bigger stakes at play. So the tough question becomes: How do we know which challenges are a good fit for our skillset and which ones should we say no to? Especially when we want to do good and contribute to a positive outcome in those high-stakes challenges. Having the self-awareness to know you limits and limitations is a sign of maturity and professionalism. If you care about growing your self-awareness, this is a conversation you don't want to miss. --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 220 04:00 Good intentions are not enough 06:30 Why this matters 09:00 Lived experience aligning to design 12:30 What's good enough? 14:30 What is co-facilitation 16:30 Emotional curiosity 20:30 Being conscious of the water 27:00 What to do 30:30 Is it a yes or no? 35:00 Intentions 38:30 What's within the scope 41:00 Material based practices 45:30 Impostor syndrome 48:30 Reviews on the article 50:00 Hoping the conversation evolves 52:00 When it's out of your scope 54:30 When to step away 58:00 Question to ponder --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/ka-mckercher Ethical Curiosity with Trans and Non-Binary Clients by Lucie Fielding (book) www.BeyondStickyNotes.com --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle

    1h 3m
  4. How to Use Your Dreams to Design Services / Courtney Morgan / Ep. #219

    JAN 16

    How to Use Your Dreams to Design Services / Courtney Morgan / Ep. #219

    You've never heard this on the Show before... I'm referring to a design tool that most people disregard, even laugh about when they first hear about it. They say it's childish, something you can't take seriously in a professional context. But as you'll hear in today's conversation, this tool holds immense power. Not only that, it helps you better align with your true self and what you truly want to contribute to the world. And the best thing? You already have this tool in your possession. We all do. So, what is this magical tool? It's your dreams. Now, I know what you're thinking. Dreams, really?! But hear me out, it's actually not that crazy. Why do we always talk about design thinking and design doing, and not about design dreaming? If anything, I'd argue that the times we live in demand we dream more to envision a better future. Our amazing guest, Courtney Morgan, helps us tap into the power of our dreams. She shares practical examples of the power of collective dreaming. We address the misconceptions around dreaming and discuss how to get people to tap into and share their dreams in a design process. You'll notice that the conversation doesn't begin with dreams, but we naturally gravitate in that direction and fall down the rabbit hole. So, if you want to go beyond the usual design tools and methods and tap into something truly transformative... make sure you don't miss this episode. A simple practice to become more aware of your dreams is to start writing them down. This is what I've incorporated into my morning routine. Very curious to see what effects this will have in a few months. Enjoy and keep making a positive impact. ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to episode 219 03:30 Defining "one percent" 05:00 Focus of the 1% 13:00 Non-profit & community 13:50 Importance of lived experiences in work 17:00 Building trust first 18:30 What happens with lack of trust 21:30 Designer vs Community member role 24:00 A "World Creator" role 26:30 5 years ago vs today 30:30 What is efficiency? 33:00 What does good look like 34:30 Patience and her son 36:30 The role of dreaming 39:00 Courtney's dream 41:00 How we can become better dreamers 43:30 Prejudice against collective dreaming 47:30 Unsurppressing dreams 54:00 Advice she wished someone told her 59:30 Question to ponder --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/courtney-morgan-associate-aia-noma ⁠https://www.thescrd.com/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle

    1h 7m
  5. Key Lessons from a Service Design Community / #Circle Special

    JAN 9

    Key Lessons from a Service Design Community / #Circle Special

    This one is a bit different... Not the usual interview that you're used to. In this episode, you'll actually hear me answering the questions. Why? Well, it's become a bit of a tradition to start the year by reflecting on the lessons learned while building the Circle community. The Circle started 3.5 years ago as an idea to see what would happen if we created a safe space for in-house service design professionals to connect and share regularly. Today, it's grown to a healthy size with members from companies across the globe and in almost any industry you can imagine — from big tech to church organizations (I kid you not!). Service design professionals are everywhere these days. I'm very grateful for where the community is today, but it certainly hasn't been a straight line up. Designing a service (which is essentially what our community is) for service designers is quite hard, who would have thought? ;) So, for this episode, I sat down with Ru Butler who's one of our Circle Council members to discuss the biggest wins, challenges, and ambitions for the coming year. Even if you're not working in-house, I think you'll still enjoy this behind-the-scenes look at how we're thinking about and trying to design our community. I'd love to hear what you think of this episode format. Would you like to hear it more often? How could we make it better? Any other feedback is welcome, too. Send me a message or reach out on LinkedIn. Happy 2025 and take care, Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 The Circle 2024 Special episode 03:00 Who is Ru 04:30 What stood out last year 09:30 Marc's key motivations 13:00 Ru's Circle Highlights: 1-on-1s 17:30 Benefits of 1-on-1s: accountability 19:00 Leading the Circle community 24:30 Favorite sessios in 2024 31:00 The community's growth 37:00 The importance of community 43:00 2025 Vision and The Loop 46:00 The follow-through 48:30 Seasons for the Circle 2025 54:00 2025 Goals 58:00 For the Self-Doubting Designers --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/rubutler https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcfonteijn Advancing Service Design Talk: Increase your confidence, influence, and impact --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle

    1h 7m
  6. Journey Management in 2025: Trends, Challenges, and Predictions / Jochem van der Veer / Ep. #218

    JAN 2

    Journey Management in 2025: Trends, Challenges, and Predictions / Jochem van der Veer / Ep. #218

    First of all, I want to wish you a very happy 2025. We're starting the new year with a bang. Journey Management has been a hot topic for the last two years, and for good reason. The shift from mapping to management might seem small, but it's a major change in how we and our clients approach things. If you've been following the Show for a while, you know we are keeping up with these developments as they unfold. So, I thought it would be great to invite a good friend and long-time partner of the Show, Jochem van der Veer, back to kick 2025 off with some predictions. As CEO of TheyDo, Jochem is building one of the most innovative companies in this space. So I think it's fair to say that he has a front-row seat to how companies are adopting (or not) Journey Management. In this conversation, we discuss how journey management has evolved, the challenges of scaling it, which organizations are succeeding, and what's next (including AI's influence). Oh, and we announce a new conference... Join us for a great episode that's going to give you a head start on your Journey Management journey this year. What are YOUR predictions for this year? Leave a comment on YouTube (or Spotify). It'll be fun to revisit them next year 🙂 Enjoy the conversation, and once again Happy 2025! Take care, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to episode 218 05:00 Looking back at the previous episode 06:45 Market shifts 09:00 Churn discussion 13:45 What's changed in TheyDo 15:45 Unexpected design challenges 19:30 Journey Management cornerstones 21:00 Automating everything 25:00 Jochem's Journey Management view 29:00 Journey as a tool 33:15 Cross-Functional challenges 36:00 Prioritization rituals 39:30 Customer alignment 45:00 Team adoption patterns 48:30 Specific problem solving 50:00 Industry roadblock 53:30 2026 hopes 54:30 Upcoming Conference 1:02:00 Jochem's 2025 outlook 1:03:00 Chat interface 1:07:00 Question to ponder --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jochemvanderveer/ https://www.theydo.com/beyond-the-map --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle

    1h 9m
  7. Stop designing WITH your users! There is a better way. / Sloan Leo Cowan / Ep. #217

    12/19/2024

    Stop designing WITH your users! There is a better way. / Sloan Leo Cowan / Ep. #217

    There's a problem with the current design process that often goes unnoticed... A problem that can lead to less-than-ideal outcomes or, even worse, harm certain communities. To understand this, we must acknowledge our huge responsibility as design professionals. We're often the only ones advocating for our users' needs, the voice of those who aren't in the room. It's a privilege we shouldn't take lightly. We make decisions, and judgment calls for the people we're designing for. Of course, we do our best with the best intentions, but we always will fall short. Why? Because we aren't the users. We don't live their lives or experience their struggles. Sure, let there be no doubt: having someone advocate for users is a good start, but it's not enough. We can do better; we must do better. Our guest, ​Sloan Leo Cowan​, helps us see what "better" looks like. The key is to move away from "designing for" or even "designing with" users and move towards "designing by" them. It means giving up control and power. Sound impossible? Sloan Leo shares practical examples of how they've achieved this in their work. This episode will show you a way forward if you care about creating more inclusive and equitable work. Stop designing WITH your users! There is a better way. As you'll hear, Sloan Leo's perspective on design challenges the status quo. We really need this to push the boundaries of design and ensure it stays relevant. Keep making a positive impact! Take care, ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 217 04:00 Sloan's social sector journey 08:15 Defining Community? 10:15 Service design "habits" (issues) 12:45 Neutrality in Interpretation 15:15 Facilitator vs. Interpreter Roles 18:45 Facilitating towards beliefs 19:30 Power Dynamics in Facilitation 21:15 Binary thinking in service design 26:45 Issue: Persona Development & Gender 31:45 Origins of Community Design Issues 36:00 How to approach the large scale 38:15 Open source approach 40:30 The challenges for service designers 41:45 Benefits for Communities and Designers 43:45 Advice for Aspiring Designers 47:15 Recommended Resources 51:45 Proudest Achievements 54:15 Keys to Success 56:45 Additional Resources 57:30 Questions for Reflection --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- Pronouns they/he https://www.linkedin.com/in/sloanleo Website - floxstudio.com or sloanleo.com --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle

    1h 1m
  8. The Secrets behind Research that Scales / Kate Towsey / Ep. #216

    12/05/2024

    The Secrets behind Research that Scales / Kate Towsey / Ep. #216

    There is no service design... Without high-quality research. Sure, we all know that. But doing good research is hard. Kate Towsey, often called the inventor of the ResearchOps field, can certainly attest to this. If you're a dedicated listener of the show, you might remember Kate from our conversation about a year ago where she shared that she was writing a book. Well, that book, titled "Research that Scales", has officially been published! And with a 4.9/5 rating on Amazon, it seems to have struck a chord with readers. Of course, we had to get Kate back on the show to discuss it. In this conversation we delve into topics like: Do we need to scale research, and if so why? What does "scale" actually mean in the context of research? When should you start thinking about scaling? What are the key steps to scaling research? What role can AI play in all of this? Will it take over our jobs? Why did it take Kate 3.5 years to publish the book? And as always, that's just the tip of the iceberg. It's hard to imagine a service design professional who wouldn't be interested in the topics we cover in this episode. Good research isn't just a nice-to-have; it's a must. Without giving away too many spoilers, I found it fascinating that it's not actually research that you need to (or can) scale, but something else. Something that we as a community are pretty good at. Can you guess what it is? Enjoy and keep making a positive impact! ~ Marc --- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 216 03:00 Quick overview about scaling research 04:00 Why she wrote the book 09:30 Pandemic's impact on the book 13:00 Research rabbit hole 15:00 Unscalable Research: What to Avoid 18:30 What is enough research? 22:00 The problem she saw 25:00 The main bottlenecks 27:45 Libriarian's role in making the change 31:00 How the process work 33:00 Knowledge as a network vs tree 35:30 Maximizing efficient use of library 39:00 Designing the system 41:00 Knowledge vs. Learning: Value Proposition 43:00 Cost center vs value center 47:00 AI and Research: A Synergistic Future 49:00 Cost of scaling: A Trade-off 51:00 Strategic approach to scaling 53:00 How to know when to scale 54:30 Her readers insights 56:00 Upcoming masterclasses 58:00 Resources 58:30 Food for thought --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katetowsey/ Website: https://katetowsey.com/ Substack: https://katetowsey.substack.com --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle

    1h 2m

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