Product Coalition Podcast

Jay Stansell

The Product Coalition’s mission is to make mastery of product management globally accessible. www.productcoalition.com

  1. Oct 23

    EP111 The Churn Hidden Inside Payment Adoption with Kevin Armstrong and Jay Stansell

    A payment method can lift conversion and still leave the product worse off. Kevin Armstrong (Capital One, Walgreens, Amazon, SpaceX) saw that tension while leading Prime payment strategy across 13 markets. In Spain, the card-led assumptions that worked in the US missed customers already using Bizum. In Brazil, early PIX adoption looked encouraging, but retention told a different story because the QR-code flow could not support recurring charges. This conversation gets into the product decisions behind those results. We cover involuntary churn from expired, lost or stolen cards, why local consent rules change subscription journeys, and how rewards depend on an existing reason to return. Kevin also explains why payment behaviour is a useful signal of trust, not merely a checkout metric. What you'll hear * Why a US-built card checkout missed Spanish customers who already relied on Bizum. * How expired, lost and stolen cards can make involuntary churn look like cancellation. * Why local consent rules changed the Prime sign-up journey Kevin’s team could offer. * How PIX increased payment adoption while the missing recurring-charge flow weakened retention. * Why rewards amplify an existing habit but struggle to create one from nothing. “Payments is a representation of our trust. It tells who we are.” - Kevin Armstrong, 34:23 Chapters * 00:00 Card payments and home-market assumptions * 02:38 Moving from engineering into product * 05:56 The complexity of launching across companies * 08:22 Bizum and the Spanish customer gap * 10:13 Household penetration, churn and virtual cards * 12:36 Involuntary churn and wallet cycling * 15:22 Consent and checkout in Spain * 18:33 Rewards, retention and behaviour change * 21:07 Making the customer case for rewards * 23:56 What makes a rewards system work * 26:03 Stickiness before rewards * 28:56 PIX and misleading adoption signals * 31:28 How early PIX adoption masked churn * 33:44 Payments as a measure of trust * 35:41 Learning the funnel through a small build * 37:53 Cryptocurrency, privacy and consumer protection Kevin Armstrong started as an iOS engineer at Capital One before working at Walgreens, Amazon and SpaceX. At Amazon, he led Prime payment strategy across 13 markets and launched Bizum for Prime in Spain. He now runs a product services business and coaches product managers through payments interviews. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.productcoalition.com/subscribe

  2. Oct 16

    EP110 Agentic AI for Product Management: Building in an Autonomous Enterprise with Eshaan Jain (Mphasis.com) and Jay Stansell

    Eshaan Jain (Amazon, PwC) gave me the example that made agentic AI stop sounding clever and start sounding expensive. An agent negotiating a discount on your behalf pushes past the point of sense and sells a product for $5 that cost $10 to buy. Nobody had told it there was a floor. Eshaan spent nearly five years at Amazon on a $40 billion annual contract portfolio, and now advises T-Mobile, so he has watched automation fail with real money attached. What you'll hear * The risk register Eshaan keeps, and which decisions he lets an agent make with no human at all. * Why a discount pushed from 10 to 18 percent stops the agent, pulls in a person, and rolls back if nobody answers. * How Amazon taught a machine learning model to read vendor contracts, and the 95 percent accuracy it reached. * The chain of specialised agents he would build across quote to cash, from catalog lookup to contract review. * Why the AI programmes still running in 2028 will be the ones measuring carbon, not the ones with the biggest models. "So if you procure the product for, let's say, $10 and the agent is now selling the product for $5, that is a big no no. So that is a critical risk for me." — Eshaan Jain, [00:26:42] "The AI projects and the programs that are going to last 2027 and will eventually move into 2028 will not be the ones that will have the most powerful models. They will be the ones who have clear visibility on both the cost and the carbon emissions for each of their inferences." — Eshaan Jain, [00:32:19] Chapters * 00:00 Why agentic AI lands in the back office first, not the chat box * 03:00 What drives him: the book Agentic Enterprise and an IEEE paper on carbon-aware inference * 05:44 What agentic AI actually changes about a product manager's job * 07:30 The one thing AI has not taken over: prioritisation still needs human judgment * 08:51 Quote to cash explained, and where a chain of agents would sit inside it * 10:02 Inside a $40 billion portfolio: teaching a model to read Amazon's vendor contracts * 13:44 What large language models do with contracts that older models could not * 15:58 The specialised agents he would build for pricing, carts and contract review * 19:02 Two scaling lessons from Amazon: never underestimate the data, then define accuracy * 21:11 What he had to unlearn moving from in-house at Amazon to the T-Mobile account * 23:25 In the boardroom: why product managers now have to think like risk officers * 24:58 The risk register: severity tiers, and which calls an agent may make alone * 25:53 Past 10 percent: human approval, the rollback window, and the $10 product sold for $5 * 27:36 What evaluation and multi-level approval look like before an agent reaches production * 29:09 The token optimisers' manifesto: the inference cost nobody budgets for * 30:29 Power, water and pollution: why communities are pushing back on new data centres * 31:27 Dynamic routing: stop sending every email to a frontier model * 33:26 One change to make next week: inventory every workflow, then pilot one Eshaan Jain is a senior product manager at Mphasis Silverline on the T-Mobile account, after nearly five years as a senior technical product manager at Amazon and three years as a Salesforce consultant in PwC's digital risk practice. He is also publicity officer for the British Computer Society's open source specialist group. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.productcoalition.com/subscribe

    EP110 Agentic AI for Product Management: Building in an Autonomous Enterprise with Eshaan Jain (Mphasis.com) and Jay Stansell
  3. Aug 7

    EP108 Why Product Teams Slow Down as Companies Scale, And What to Do About It with Jürgen Dauk and Jay Stansell

    Summary In this episode, Jay Stansell interviews Jürgen Dauk (Oracle, OpenText, Avaya) about the common pitfalls that slow down product teams as organizations grow, and practical strategies to accelerate decision-making without losing clarity. They explore cultural differences, organizational structures, and mindset shifts necessary for faster, more effective product development. Key topics * Decision bottlenecks in product organizations * Organizational culture and its impact on speed * Practical strategies for redesigning decision-making * Cultural differences between Europe and the US * The role of trust and empowerment in decision speed Chapters * 00:00 Introduction to the episode and guest * 02:14 Main themes: decision bottlenecks, friction, and speed * 07:42 Jürgen’s personal journey and passion for organizational speed * 08:44 Understanding organizational change and cultural mindset * 12:49 The importance of trust and decision autonomy * 13:55 Root causes of organizational slowdown: command and control * 15:12 The impact of market change and outdated systems * 16:23 Shifting mindset: from hierarchy to cross-functional teams * 18:23 Overcoming theater and superficial alignment * 20:00 Strategies for socializing decision-making changes * 22:17 Cultural differences in decision-making and communication * 26:53 Assessing the stakes and reversibility of decisions * 28:59 Guidelines and rules for distributed decision-making * 31:25 Implementing decision guardrails in large organizations * 34:22 Building psychological safety and trust at the grassroots level * 36:12 Small steps for grassroots change and peer alignment * 37:27 Measuring decision speed and effectiveness * 39:11 Employee experience and empowerment metrics * 41:06 Socializing change through informal conversations * 42:42 Opportunities in the current technological landscape * 44:30 Advice for newcomers and early career professionals * 46:51 The future of work and embracing change This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.productcoalition.com/subscribe

    EP108 Why Product Teams Slow Down as Companies Scale, And What to Do About It with Jürgen Dauk and Jay Stansell
  4. Jul 24

    EP107 From Founder to VP: What Changes About Product Judgment at Scale with Matt Wensing (Customer.io) and Jay Stansell

    Summary In this episode, Matt Wensing, VP of Products and Design at Customer.io, shares insights from his two-decade journey from founder to product leader. We explore decision-making, maintaining product standards, integrating AI, and scaling organizational taste. Key topics * Transition from founder to organizational leader * Decision-making and product velocity * Maintaining product standards and taste * Integrating AI into product teams * Scaling organizational culture and mentorship Chapters * 00:00 Introduction to Matt Wensing and his journey * 00:10 Matt’s background and transition from founder to VP * 01:23 Unlearning founder instincts and decision-making * 04:23 Lessons on burnout and resilience * 06:44 Product velocity governed by decision-making * 10:35 Joining Customer.io at scale * 14:11 Suppressing founder habits in a remote organization * 17:53 Prioritization and understanding organizational funnels * 24:40 Calibrating product standards and taste * 29:41 Managing decision-making across a large organization * 33:58 The importance of intangible leadership and mentorship * 35:42 Implementing AI to scale product teams * 39:33 Using AI responsibly in product management * 42:30 The importance of quality checks and modeling * 46:15 Final thoughts on distribution and startup success This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.productcoalition.com/subscribe

    EP107 From Founder to VP: What Changes About Product Judgment at Scale with Matt Wensing (Customer.io) and Jay Stansell
  5. Jul 3

    EP105 What happens when your users become the builders? with Saurabh Sharma (You.com) and Jay Stansell

    Summary In this episode, Jay Stansell interviews Saurabh Sharma, a product leader with extensive experience at Google and u.com, exploring how enterprise AI products are transforming product management, user engagement, and agent management. Discover insights on building primitives, managing evolving roadmaps, and the future of AI-driven workflows. Key topics * Impact of user-built workflows on product teams * Building and managing primitives in AI platforms * Measuring success with primitives vs features * Evolving product roadmaps based on user signals * Agent management and enterprise AI adoption Chapters * 00:00 Introduction to Product Coalition Podcast * 00:10 Meet Sarab Sharma: A Journey Through Product Management * 02:39 Understanding U.com: AI Web Search Infrastructure * 05:02 Shifting from Consumer to Infrastructure Product Management * 08:20 Defining Primitives in Product Management * 11:23 Recognizing When Features Outgrow Their Relevance * 12:47 The Importance of Using Your Own Product * 15:45 Agent Management in the Age of AI * 19:14 Research Discipline in Product Management * 21:03 Evolving Product Management Skills in the AI Era * 23:25 User Experience in API Products * 25:33 Challenges in Moving from Prototype to Production * 27:31 A Memorable Product Management War Story This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.productcoalition.com/subscribe

  6. Jun 19

    EP104 Why Your A/B Test Winners Disappear After Launch with Andrea Bronzini and Jay Stansell

    Summary Andrea Bronzini, a seasoned expert in experimentation and conversion optimization, shares insights on the limitations of traditional A/B testing frameworks, the impact of noise on experiment results, and introduces innovative tools to improve decision-making in product growth.Tools MentionedNoise ExplorerExplore the effect of stochastic noise on your experiments and fine-tune your decision policy. https://confidentstory.com/noise/ Noise CheckEvaluate the results of split tests or compare KPIs to rule out noise wobbling. https://confidentstory.com/noisecheck/ GTMsplitRun split tests in Google Tag Manager (100% free). https://confidentstory.com/gtmsplit/ Key topics * Limitations of traditional A/B testing frameworks * Impact of stochastic noise on experiment outcomes * The importance of uncertainty in decision-making * Tools for simulating experiment outcomes and understanding noise * Reevaluating the use of statistical significance in experiments * Decision policies and experiment duration considerations * The role of noise in KPIs and long-term metrics Chapters * 00:00 Introduction to Andrea Bronzini and the episode’s focus * 01:13 The industry’s stagnation in experimentation practices * 03:15 Fundamentals of healthy experimentation and decision policies * 08:44 Understanding stochastic noise and its visual representation * 12:53 The importance of uncertainty over point estimates * 19:34 Simulating experiment outcomes to inform decision-making * 23:43 The impact of noise on KPIs and long-term metrics * 27:21 Reevaluating decision thresholds and significance levels * 32:33 Practical steps for product teams to improve decision quality * 36:27 Tools for noise detection and better experiment analysis * 38:12 Closing remarks and where to learn more about Andrea’s tools This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.productcoalition.com/subscribe

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