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Hosted by Joan Garry, the “Dear Abby” of the nonprofit world, Nonprofits Are Messy is a discussion of the most pressing issues faced by nonprofit leadership. Joan and her guests tackle topics like the overhead myth, the best way to run special events, how to make a big fundraising ask, board-staff relations, and so much more. At times hilarious, uplifting, and frustrating, the stories told in this podcast should feel very familiar to anybody working in a nonprofit today.



Topics include fundraising, leadership development, building a great board, Executive Director / Board relations, communications and messaging, staff management, nonprofit career advice, crisis management, digital marketing, social media, and so much more.



Listen to real stories of nonprofit leaders like you and how they handled the mess. Because the truth is, nonprofits ARE messy. There’s not enough money, too many cooks, and an abundance of passion. Leading nonprofits isn’t easy. This podcast will help.

Nonprofits Are Messy: Lessons in Leadership | Fundraising | Board Development | Communications Joan Garry

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    • 4.7, 198 Ratings

Hosted by Joan Garry, the “Dear Abby” of the nonprofit world, Nonprofits Are Messy is a discussion of the most pressing issues faced by nonprofit leadership. Joan and her guests tackle topics like the overhead myth, the best way to run special events, how to make a big fundraising ask, board-staff relations, and so much more. At times hilarious, uplifting, and frustrating, the stories told in this podcast should feel very familiar to anybody working in a nonprofit today.



Topics include fundraising, leadership development, building a great board, Executive Director / Board relations, communications and messaging, staff management, nonprofit career advice, crisis management, digital marketing, social media, and so much more.



Listen to real stories of nonprofit leaders like you and how they handled the mess. Because the truth is, nonprofits ARE messy. There’s not enough money, too many cooks, and an abundance of passion. Leading nonprofits isn’t easy. This podcast will help.

    Ep 114: What If Fundraising De-Emphasized the Donor? (with Vu Le and Michelle Muri)

    Ep 114: What If Fundraising De-Emphasized the Donor? (with Vu Le and Michelle Muri)

    There are those who believe that the donor-centric fundraising model may be perpetuating the very inequity we seek to address in the nonprofit sector.



    One such person is Vu Le, writer, speaker, and former Executive Director of Rainier Valley Corps, a nonprofit in Seattle that promotes social justice. He believes there’s a better way - community-centric fundraising.



    Vu is joined on today’s podcast by Michelle Muri, strategic advisor and consulting coach who co-chairs The Council for Community-Centric Fundraising, a movement founded on the belief that fundraising should be first and foremost grounded in race, equity and social justice.



    This podcast will challenge you to examine and think deeply about your relationship with donors and will define and elaborate on the principles of community-centric fundraising.



    About Vu Le



    Vu Le (“voo lay”) is a writer, speaker, vegan, Pisces, and was the Executive Director of Rainier Valley Corps, a nonprofit in Seattle that promotes social justice by developing leaders of color, strengthening organizations led by communities of color, and fostering collaboration between diverse communities. Known for his no-BS approach, irreverent sense of humor, and love of unicorns, Vu has been featured in dozens, if not hundreds, of his own blog posts at NonprofitAF.com, formerly nonprofitwithballs.com. Vu does keynotes, panels, and other speaking gigs and can talk about a variety of subjects: funding dynamics, cultural competency, self-care, unicorns, and what Game of Thrones can teach us about the nonprofit field. Has a spouse and 2 kids. Stepped down from Rainier Valley Corps to focus on writing. Stepped down as ED in December because of burnout and desire to spend more time with family and other endeavors. Maintains an active blog at Nonprofit AF.



    About Michelle Shireen Muri



    Michelle Shireen Muri is a strategic advisor, collaborator, fundraiser and coach at Freedom Conspiracy, Co-Chair of The Council for Community-Centric Fundraising and host of The Ethical Rainmaker, a new podcast, coming soon!



    Ignited by a beautiful volunteer experience, Michelle has crafted her career through 15 years of resource generation through social justice movements. Her successes and tenure at Northwest Immigrant Rights Project, now the largest immigrant rights org in the nation, gave her a critical lens towards fundraising and a deep love of community solidarity.



    She believes there is deep power and personal healing in the work of generating resources from a values-aligned space.



    Credentials: Board Member, Sexual Violence Law Center, Fellow, Sergeant Shriver National Center on Poverty Law, Washington Equal Justice Community Leadership Academy, Fellow, NYU Wagner School of Public Service Women of Color Lead The Way Fellowship

    • 52 min
    Ep 113: Taking Nonprofits From Good to Great - Part 1 (with Jim Collins)

    Ep 113: Taking Nonprofits From Good to Great - Part 1 (with Jim Collins)

    My guest today, best selling author Jim Collins, literally wrote the book on how to navigate a path from good to great and I could not be more excited to have him on the podcast!



    In fact, I believe that Jim's monograph, Good to Great and the Social Sectors, should be put in the hands of every new executive director and board chair.



    I talk about this short book all the time in the Nonprofit Leadership Lab, my online education and community portal for leaders of smaller nonprofits, and it’s required reading for my class at The Annenberg School at UPenn in Nonprofit Communications Strategy. I make sure all of my clients read it too.



    Jim joins me today to explain the principles of greatness and what’s unique about them in social sector organizations. His stance on creating a culture of discipline is truly transformational. Crisis can bring an organization together and create focus on what matters - or it can bring doom and gloom. Which camp does your organization fall into?



    What choices would a nonprofit need to make, and what kind of leadership would it demand, to emerge from this crisis stronger?



    You won’t want to miss this podcast to ignite your mission flame.



    About Jim Collins

    Jim Collins is a student and teacher of what makes great companies tick, and a Socratic advisor to leaders in the business and social sectors. He has authored or coauthored six books that have together sold 10+ million copies worldwide, including Good to Great, Good to Great and the Social Sectors, Built to Last, How the Mighty Fall, Great by Choice, and his most recent work Turning the Flywheel published in February 2019.

    Driven by a relentless curiosity, Jim began his research and teaching career on the faculty at the Stanford Graduate School of Business, where he received the Distinguished Teaching Award in 1992. In 1995, he founded a management laboratory in Boulder, Colorado. In 2017, Forbes selected Jim as one of the 100 Greatest Living Business Minds. Jim, an avid rock climber for more than forty years, has completed single-day ascents of El Capitan and Half Dome in Yosemite Valley.

    • 32 min
    Ep 112: What Foundations Are Thinking Right Now (with Caryl M. Stern)

    Ep 112: What Foundations Are Thinking Right Now (with Caryl M. Stern)

    You know that old saying, “May you live in interesting times”?



    Yeah, about that….



    The times have been terrifying and surreal. In particular for those of us that fall into the category of “older Americans with underlying conditions.” Yeah, people like me.



    But hope is medicine. And I find hope in the work of the nonprofit leaders I am privileged to serve. The juxtaposition of your immense struggles (read: funding, resources) and the exponential need for your work is like nothing I have ever seen.



    I could tell stories for days of small and mighty nonprofits that are delivering against all odds - with resilience, creativity, collaboration and sheer grit.



    That said, I get it. So many of you are struggling. Facing crises that are existential. Will we make it?



    I wanted to know what funders, especially foundations, are thinking at this time. I’m imagining program officers inundated with requests for emergency grants.



    And so I spoke with the Executive Director of the Walton Family Foundation, Caryl Stern. In 2018 this foundation awarded nearly $600 million(!) in grants with a focus on the environment, K-12 education and the place the Waltons call home, Northwest Arkansas. The foundation invests around the world, on farms and back yards, and in the kids who are the future.



    For all of you nonprofit superheroes with tattered capes, this conversation is for you.



    About Caryl M. Stern

    Caryl M. Stern is the executive director of the Walton Family Foundation. Previously, she was president and CEO of UNICEF USA. A dynamic change-maker, Caryl has dedicated her career to helping others through education, compassion, advocacy and rolling up her sleeves. For 12 years, she served as president and CEO of UNICEF USA, an organization that supports UNICEF’s lifesaving work to put children first.



    Caryl has traveled to more than 30 countries in support of UNICEF’s work and has spearheaded

    UNICEF USA’s emergency relief efforts for children affected by disasters, including the 2010

    Haiti earthquake, the 2011 East Africa drought, the Ebola and Zika epidemics and the ongoing

    global refugee and migrant crisis.



    A sought-after public speaker on the topics of Kids Helping Kids, children and philanthropy, anti-bullying and international development, Caryl was invited to present at the White House’s

    inaugural summit on The United State of Women and was named one of “25 Women Changing the World in 2017” by People Magazine, “20 Most Influential Moms of 2017” by Family Circle, “25 Moms We Love” by Working Mother Magazine and “Ten Women to Watch” by Jewish Women International.



    She serves on the boards of directors of The Container Store and the We Are Family

    Foundation. In addition, Caryl is a member of the Advisory Board of Chime for Change and a

    trustee of The World’s Big Sleep Out. Prior to joining UNICEF USA, Caryl was an executive at

    the Anti-Defamation League, the founding director of it's A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE®

    Institute, and the Dean of Students at Polytechnic University.



    Caryl is an activist, author, executive, public speaker, mother of three and grandmother of two.

    • 38 min
    Ep 111: Once Upon a Time There Was a Fundraiser Who… (with Dan Portnoy)

    Ep 111: Once Upon a Time There Was a Fundraiser Who… (with Dan Portnoy)

    Just for a moment, imagine what it would mean for your organization if you could double your online fundraising next year. I’m thinking it would increase your impact for sure. Sounds pretty great.



    So how do you do that?



    My guest, Dan Portnoy, says you start with a good story. Dan is the author of The Non-Profit Narrative: How Telling Stories Can Change the World and is the founder of Portnoy Media Group.



    In the episode, Dan teaches us how to effectively use the framework of the hero’s journey to achieve phenomenal fundraising results.



    If you want to improve your fundraising over the next year, you’ll want to pay attention.



    About Dan Portnoy

    Dan is the founder of Portnoy Media Group and the author of The Non-Profit Narrative: How Telling Stories Can Change the World. For over two decades, Dan has worked with the toughest outposts of Fortune 500 companies to get them back on track with big results. He is a sought after to help flesh out ideas, coach teams, and lead senior staff through the digital age. He is a story expert and builds narratives that remove the barriers between traditional cultivation and acquisition.

    • 51 min
    How to Have a Difficult Conversations - Part 2

    How to Have a Difficult Conversations - Part 2

    There sure are a lot of difficult conversations happening right now. All over the place. We learned all about how to approach them in part 1 of this 2-part episode.



    Today, we’ll dig deeper into an absolutely critical component of a productive difficult conversation. Receiving feedback.



    Receiving feedback can be especially difficult, particularly when you think it’s not deserved. Not needed. Not wanted.



    But if you won’t listen, nothing will change. And conversely, if you’re the one giving the feedback, your listener won’t be open to what you’re saying if they’re feeling judged. If you don’t approach it the right way.



    Remember, the goal in these conversations isn’t to “be right”. It’s to affect change in some way. To improve something that’s been going on.



    My guest, consultant and author Sheila Heen, discusses three triggers that can help us process feedback productively, even when it feels “off base, unfair, poorly delivered, and frankly, you’re not in the mood”.



    About Sheila Heen



    Sheila is a Founder of Triad Consulting Group and has been on the Harvard Law School faculty since 1995. Sheila’s corporate clients include Pixar, Hugo Boss, the NBA, the Federal Reserve Bank, Ford, Novartis, AT&T and numerous family businesses. She often works with executive teams, helping them to work through conflict, repair working relationships, and make sound decisions together.



    In the public sector she has also provided training for the New England Organ Bank, the Singapore Supreme Court, the Obama White House, and theologians struggling with disagreement over the nature of truth and God. Sheila has spent more than twenty years with the Harvard Negotiation Project, developing negotiation theory and practice. She specializes in particularly difficult negotiations – where emotions run high and relationships become strained.



    Sheila is co-author of two New York Times bestsellers: Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most (Penguin 2nd ed 2010), and the recently released Thanks for the Feedback: The Science and Art of Receiving Feedback Well (Even When It’s Off Base, Unfair, Poorly Delivered, and Frankly, You’re Not in the Mood) (Penguin 2014).



    She has written for the Harvard Business Review, for the New York Times as a guest expert and as a Modern Love writer. Sheila has appeared on shows as diverse as Oprah and the G. Gordon Liddy show, NPR, Fox News, and CNBC’s Power Lunch. She has spoken at the Global Leadership Summit, Nordic Business Forum, Apple, Google, and Microsoft. Her articles have appeared in the New York Times, Harvard Business Review, Fortune, Harvard Negotiation Journal, and Real Simple.



    Sheila is a graduate of Occidental College in Los Angeles, and Harvard Law School. She is schooled in negotiation daily by her three children.



    In this Podcast:

    - I am so skillful in giving feedback, why can’t you hear me?

    - Is feedback always judgmental?

    - What are the three triggers and why does it matter to recognize them?

    - Three different types of feedback with distinct purposes

    - What if the person evaluating me doesn’t know me well enough?

    - What if as an E.D. I am not crushing my job because I have a weak board chair?

    • 34 min
    How to Have a Difficult Conversation - Part 1

    How to Have a Difficult Conversation - Part 1

    Think about a dreaded moment in which you had to tell someone something they didn’t want to hear or just didn’t want to know… Or that you knew would lead to a confrontation.



    This episode is about difficult conversations and how to approach them.



    Most of us try to avoid these kinds of conversations. They are just so uncomfortable. But if you handle them the right way, you can actually come out better on the other side.



    Sheila Heen, co-author of the best-selling book Difficult Conversations, has been a Lecturer on Law at Harvard Law School since 1995. She joins the podcast today to discuss how there are actually more than two sides to every story.



    How do you build the muscle to make sure difficult conversations go well? What might you not be aware of that could change everything?



    This is part 1 of a 2-part podcast.



    About Sheila Heen



    Sheila is a Founder of Triad Consulting Group and has been on the Harvard Law School faculty since 1995. Sheila’s corporate clients include Pixar, Hugo Boss, the NBA, the Federal Reserve Bank, Ford, Novartis, AT&T and numerous family businesses. She often works with executive teams, helping them to work through conflict, repair working relationships, and make sound decisions together.



    In the public sector she has also provided training for the New England Organ Bank, the Singapore Supreme Court, the Obama White House, and theologians struggling with disagreement over the nature of truth and God. Sheila has spent more than twenty years with the Harvard Negotiation Project, developing negotiation theory and practice. She specializes in particularly difficult negotiations – where emotions run high and relationships become strained.



    Sheila is co-author of two New York Times bestsellers: Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most (Penguin 2nd ed 2010), and the recently released Thanks for the Feedback: The Science and Art of Receiving Feedback Well (Even When It’s Off Base, Unfair, Poorly Delivered, and Frankly, You’re Not in the Mood) (Penguin 2014).



    She has written for the Harvard Business Review, for the New York Times as a guest expert and as a Modern Love writer. Sheila has appeared on shows as diverse as Oprah and the G. Gordon Liddy show, NPR, Fox News, and CNBC’s Power Lunch. She has spoken at the Global Leadership Summit, Nordic Business Forum, Apple, Google, and Microsoft. Her articles have appeared in the New York Times, Harvard Business Review, Fortune, Harvard Negotiation Journal, and Real Simple.



    Sheila is a graduate of Occidental College in Los Angeles, and Harvard Law School. She is schooled in negotiation daily by her three children.



    In this Podcast:

    - Wrestling with the inner voices

    - The three conversations or stories

    - The meaning of what is not said

    - Are you being too defensive?

    - Using feedback to grow

    • 39 min

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198 Ratings

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This podcast is so insightful on topics that aren’t necessarily ‘googeable’ and have helped get me from stuck to motivated in my work for a non-profit (which I would love to rename the ‘impact sector’)

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Drink the Joan Garry Koolaid

If you’re involved in any nonprofit—in any capacity—this podcast is an amazing resource. It kind of just makes you a better person just by listening!

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Required listening

No one should attempt to work at or lead a nonprofit (or maybe any company) without Joan! Always timely and relevant.

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