2 Complicated 4 History Primary Source Media
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2 Complicated 4 History is a show that examines the “deleted scenes” of history. In each episode, co-hosts Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by a different guest bringing a fresh perspective to the history you thought you knew.
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The Fall of Civilizations - Dr. Paul M. Cooper
Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Paul Cooper, a podcaster and author who examines the rise and fall of civilizations throughout history. What led to the ultimate collapse of previously successful civilizations, and are we making any of those same mistakes today?
TRANSCRIPT: coming soon
OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
4:01 - The Inception of The Fall of Civilizations Podcast
6:56 - How Do You Define A Civilization?
7:54 - Paul’s Style of Presenting History
13:25 - How Paul Found Himself in Saddam Hussein’s Palace
16:05 - Babylon Reimagined Through History
18:12 - Finding Materials for the Next Episode
21:13 - Choosing What to Include
27:26 - Production Challenges and his Process
28:37 - The Book vs The Podcast
30:34 - How Can We Make History More Engaging
35:54 - How Paul Got Into History
40:20 - Paul’s Favorite Archive Story
45:31 - Why Something Didn’t Make It into the Book
47:29 - The Value of Studying History
57:08 - History is Not Linear
1:02:11 - Favorite Apocalypse
EPISODE LINKS:
Paul M.M. Cooper - https://www.paulmmcooper.com
Fall of Civilizations: Stories of Greatness and Decline - https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/fall-of-civilizations-stories-of-greatness-and-decline-paul-cooper/7592286?ean=9780715655009
YouTube Channel - https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR7yrLMHm11Xv2FOeHtuhern2tYm_Yd0H&feature=shared
Byzantine Empire - https://www.britannica.com/place/Byzantine-Empire
Babylonia - https://www.britannica.com/place/Babylonia
British Library - https://www.bl.uk
Mesopotamia – https://www.britannica.com/place/Mesopotamia-historical-region-Asia
Assyria - https://www.britannica.com/place/Assyria
Inca - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Inca
Twitter - @PaulMMCooper
Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/FallofCivilizations/
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Eliza Lucas Pinckney, 18th Century Entrepreneur - Dr. Lorri Glover
Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Lorri Glover, an expert on a little-known woman entrepreneur of the eighteenth century. She had “schemes,” negotiated with men, made a fortune, and still fulfilled the era’s ideal of a mother and a woman. Why don’t we know more about her?
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TRANSCRIPT: coming soon
OUTLINE:
0:00 - Intro
1:22 - Who was Eliza Lucas Pinckney
3:25 - Eliza's Upbringing and Sense of Self
5:56 - Absentee Landholders
6:57 - How Lorri Found Eliza and the Primary Sources She Used
11:42 - The Importance of Digital Humanities
14:17 - Eliza Developing Schemes
19:17 - The Dangers of Sugar Production And Eliza's View on Slavery
24:52 - Taking Over the Plantations
28:47 - Was Eliza a Typical Woman
32:52 - Indigo and Eliza’s Entrepreneurial Spirit
40:09 - Eliza's Marriage and Loss
45:18 - Eliza's Connection to London and Becoming a Patriot
48:22 - A Model of the Plantar Patriarch
52:01 - Favorite Eliza Story
54:36 - Eliza as a Religious Woman
57:55 - Who is Daniel Park
1:05:22 - Exploring Eliza’s Legacy: Historical Sites in South Carolina
EPISODE LINKS:
Lorri Glover, PhD - https://www.slu.edu/arts-and-sciences/history/faculty/glover-lorri.php
Eliza Lucas Pinckney: An Independent Woman in the Age of Revolution - https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300236118/eliza-lucas-pinckney/
Eliza Lucas Pinckney, Letters & Memoranda, 1740-1762 - https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/becomingamer/peoples/text5/elizapinckney.pdf
Antigua - https://www.britannica.com/summary/Antigua-and-Barbuda
George Washington's Barbados Diary, 1751-52 - https://www.upress.virginia.edu/title/5139/
All Our Relations: Blood Ties and Emotional Bonds Among the Early South Carolina Gentry - https://academic.oup.com/jah/article-abstract/89/1/207/689079
The Letterbook of Eliza Lucas Pinckney, 1739-1762 - https://uscpress.com/The-Letterbook-of-Eliza-Lucas-Pinckney-1739-1762
The Papers of Eliza Lucas Pinckney and Harriott Pinckney Horry - https://rotunda.upress.virginia.edu/PinckneyHorry/
The Papers of the Revolutionary Era Pinckney Statesmen - https://rotunda.upress.virginia.edu/founders/PNKY.html
“Conservation Complete for the Eliza Lucas Pinckney Gown” – https://www.charlestonmuseum.org/news-events/conservation-complete-for-the-eliza-lucas-pinckney-gown/
The Charleston Museum - https://www.charlestonmuseum.org
Stono Rebellion - https://www.britannica.com/topic/insurrection-politics
The Great Awakening - https://www.britannica.com/event/Great-Awakening
Indigo in South Carolina - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/indigo-making-comeback-south-carolina-180980987/
Charles Pinckney - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Charles-Pinckney
Daniel Parke - https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/parke-daniel-1669-1710/
John Custis IV gravestone - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/30234605/john-custis
Hampton Plantation - https://south-carolina-plantations.com/charleston/hampton.html
Rainbow Row, Charleston, S.C. - https://charleston.com/charleston-insider/lowcountry-lifestyles/the-captivating-history-of-rainbow-row
Thomas Pinckney Home - https://charleston.com/charleston-insider/diary-of-a-charleston-tour-guide/114-broad-street-colonel-thomas-pinckney-house
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The First Asians in the Americas - Dr. Diego Javier Luis
Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Diego Javier Luis to discuss the first Asians in the Americas as part of Pacific World history. Free and unfree migration, six months of treacherous travel, and cultural uprooting defines the Asian experience in the Spanish Americas. Who were these emigrants, and what happened when they arrived in their new world?
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TRANSCRIPT: coming soon
OUTLINE:
1:13 - Brief Description of the Book
2:43 - The Terminology and the Word “Chino”
9:29 - A Primary Source Nightmare
15:11 - Contextualizing the Time
18:10 - How Did People End Up on These Ships? Free and Forced Migration
26:28 - Why Isn’t This History More Emphasized?
30:31 - Cultural versus Assigned Identity – Racializing “Asians”
37:45 - The Structures within Spanish Colonial Society
44:36 - Chino Emancipation and Similarities to the Atlantic Slave Trade
48:57 - What You Need to Know about the Spanish Inquisition
53:51 - Catarina de San Juan
EPISODE LINKS:
Diego Javier Luis - https://as.tufts.edu/history/people/faculty/diego-luis
The First Asians in the Americas: A Transpacific History - https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674271784
Inquisition - https://www.britannica.com/topic/inquisition
Manila Galleons - https://www.britannica.com/technology/Manila-galleon
Atlantic World - https://history.illinois.edu/atlantic-world
Ethnolinguistics - https://www.britannica.com/science/ethnolinguistics
History of Pampagna - https://www.tagaloglang.com/history-of-pampanga
Caste And Class Structure In Colonial Spanish America - https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/caste-and-class-structure-colonial-spanish-america
Catarina de San Juan - https://thediplomat.com/2024/01/one-womans-journey-from-south-asia-to-mexico-and-from-slave-to-spiritual-icon/
The Conversation - https://theconversation.com/profiles/diego-javier-luis-1475619
Aeon magazine - https://aeon.co/users/diego-javier-luis
Smithsonian Folklife - https://folklife.si.edu/magazine/asian-history-oregon-no-no-boy-1603
New Podcast – TBD!
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The Osage Nation and Killers of the Flower Moon - Jim Gray
Description:
Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Jim Gray, the great-grandson of Henry Roan who was murdered in the Reign of Terror as depicted in the movie “The Killers of the Flower Moon.” A former Osage chief, Gray offers his unique perspective of Native history, Hollywood portrayals of Indigenous peoples, his personal connection to a painful and understudied time in the history of the United States, and the ultimate triumph of the Osage people.
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TRANSCRIPT: coming soon
OUTLINE:
0:00 - Historical Overview and Jim’s Perspective
7:38 - Allotment, Oil and Guadianships
13:29 - Restricted vs Unrestricted Allotments
17:00 - Osage Control, Tribal Governments and Boarding Schools
20:26 - How the Osage Viewed Allotments
22:01 - Henry Roan’s Legacy
33:02 - The Film’s Original Script and an Osage Dinner with Martin Scorsesse
46:11 - The Wedding Scene and Robert DeNiro Speaking Osage
53:11 - Living In Both Worlds…Even Today
57:58 - Jim’s Time as Chief
1:04:21 - Closing Thoughts and The Future of the Osage
EPISODE LINKS:
Osage Nation - https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov
Killers of the Flower Moon (Movie)- https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5537002/
Killers of the Flower Moon (Book) - https://www.davidgrann.com/books/#killers-of-the-flower-moon
Osage Primary Sources - https://www.archivesfoundation.org/newsletter/this-actually-happened/
Henry Roan - https://nativenewsonline.net/arts-entertainment/margo-gray-writes-a-poignant-letter-to-her-great-grandfather-one-of-the-murder-victims-portrayed-in-killers-of-the-flower-moon
The Osage "Reign of Terror" Murder Trials: An Account - https://www.famous-trials.com/osage-home/2378-the-osage-reign-of-terror-murder-trials-an-account
Osage Culture - https://www.osageculture.com/culture/multimedia-collections
Osage Oil Money - https://www.npr.org/2017/04/17/523964584/in-the-1920s-a-community-conspired-to-kill-native-americans-for-their-oil-money
1906 Osage Allotment Act - https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/news/osage-minerals-council-seeks-federal-legislation-facilitating-return-osage#:~:text=In%201906%2C%20the%20U.S.%20Congress,the%20Interior%20to%20create%20a
Native American Boarding Schools - https://americanindian.si.edu/nk360/code-talkers/boarding-schools/
Deb Haaland - https://www.doi.gov/secretary-deb-haaland
Major Crimes Act - https://www.ovcttac.gov/saneguide/legal-and-ethical-foundations-for-sane-practice/tribal-law/#:~:text=The%20Major%20Crimes%20Act%2C%2018,%2C%20most%20sexual%20offenses%2C%20etc.
How the Osage Changed Martin Scorsese’s Mind - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-the-osage-changed-martin-scorseses-mind-180983094/
Osage Language - https://www.osageculture.com/language
Twitter - @JimGrayTweetz
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Feed Drop - The Gilded Age and Progressive Era Podcast
We are proud to present an episode from the podcast The Gilded Age and Progressive Era.
“Dressed for Freedom” - The white dresses of suffragists stand out as one example of women's fashion that made a statement. Dr. Einav Rabinovitch-Fox joins the show to discuss her book Dressed for Freedom: American Feminism and the Politics of Women’s Fashion and the many ways that style brought substance to women's activism.
Description of the Show: The Gilded Age and Progressive Era is a free podcast about the seismic transitions that took place in the United States from the 1870s to 1920s. It's for students, teachers, researchers, history buffs, and anyone who wants to learn more about how our past connects us to the present. It is hosted by Michael Patrick Cullinane, a professor of U.S. history and the author of several books about American politics and international relations.
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The Progressive Era and Modernizing the Presidency - Dr. Michael Patrick Cullinane
Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus welcome Dr. Michael Cullinane to discuss naming historical eras, the first modern president, influence as power, and third party politics. Has politics changed much in the last 120 years? Or at all?
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TRANSCRIPT: coming soon
OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
1:28 - What is the Gilded Age and The Progressive Era
7:40 - Theodore Roosevelt, How he defined the Age and What Progressive Meant
11:22 - Theodore Roosevelt Modernizing The Office
23:19 - Theodore Roosevelt Shaping the National Narrative
24:52 - Theodore Roosevelt's Tennis Cabinet
32:37 - Third Parties and the Bull Moose Party
40:30 - What Did TR Think of Wilson?
42:07 - Will a Third Party Ever Arise?
46:49 - We Have Been Here Before & TR’s Legacy
53:15 - Favorite TR's Story and the Historical Sites to Visit!
Professor of U.S. History and the Lowman Walton Chair of Theodore Roosevelt Studies at Dickinson State University in North Dakota.
Website - https://www.michaelpatrickcullinane.com
The Gilded Age and Progressive Era Podcast - https://www.michaelpatrickcullinane.com/podcast
Remembering Theodore Roosevelt: Reminiscences of His Contemporaries - https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-69296-4
Theodore Roosevelt's Ghost: The History and Memory of an American Icon - https://lsupress.org/9780807166727/
“Gild the Lily” - https://www.merriam-webster.com/word-of-the-day/gild%20the%20lily-2008-04-04
Theodore Roosevelt, Sr. - https://www.nps.gov/thrb/learn/historyculture/theodorerooseveltsr.htm
Franklin D. Roosevelt – https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/franklin-d-roosevelt/
William McKinley - https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/william-mckinley/
Theodore Roosevelt in the Spanish-American War - https://guides.loc.gov/chronicling-america-theodore-roosevelt-rough-riders/introduction
Charles Darwin, On the Origin of Species - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Charles-Darwin/On-the-Origin-of-Species
TR’s Tennis Cabinet - https://www.loc.gov/item/2013650863/
Bull Moose Party - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Bull-Moose-Party
William Howard Taft - https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/william-howard-taft/
Woodrow Wilson - https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/woodrow-wilson/
Eugene V. Debs - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Eugene-V-Debs
History of the Teddy Bear - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/history-teddy-bear-once-seen-dangerous-influence-young-children-180983234/
TR Birthplace in Manhattan - https://www.nps.gov/thrb/index.htm
TR Island near D.C. - https://www.nps.gov/this/index.htm
Sagamore Hill, Home of TR - https://www.nps.gov/sahi/index.htm
TR Presidential Library (2026) - https://www.trlibrary.com
Theodore Roosevelt Center at Dickinson State University - https://www.theodorerooseveltcenter.org
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Customer Reviews
Love It
I’ve listened to many episodes and love the information but particularly liked the recent 1865 episode and the discussion on the paradigm shift in the political parties and how we might be going through another shift now. What a fascinating assertion!
Peggy Arnold Episode
I absolutely loved the latest episode on Peggy Arnold. The “deleted scenes” from history had me gasping along with Dr. Price. I’ll be thinking about Hamilton picking peaches while Benedict escapes and how Peggy and Benedict compare to “bad Felicity” and her spy husband in the Americans for awhile.
Fantastic show!
Really enjoy the conversations about the history. Love the guests and I have learned so much!