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2 Complicated 4 History is a show that examines the “deleted scenes” of history. In each episode, co-hosts Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by a different guest bringing a fresh perspective to the history you thought you knew.

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2 Complicated 4 History is a show that examines the “deleted scenes” of history. In each episode, co-hosts Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by a different guest bringing a fresh perspective to the history you thought you knew.

    The Fall of Civilizations - Dr. Paul M. Cooper

    The Fall of Civilizations - Dr. Paul M. Cooper

    Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Paul Cooper, a podcaster and author who examines the rise and fall of civilizations throughout history. What led to the ultimate collapse of previously successful civilizations, and are we making any of those same mistakes today?

    TRANSCRIPT: coming soon 

    OUTLINE:
    0:00 - Introduction
    4:01 - The Inception of The Fall of Civilizations Podcast
    6:56 - How Do You Define A Civilization?
    7:54 - Paul’s Style of Presenting History
    13:25 - How Paul Found Himself in Saddam Hussein’s Palace
    16:05 - Babylon Reimagined Through History
    18:12 - Finding Materials for the Next Episode
    21:13 - Choosing What to Include 
    27:26 - Production Challenges and his Process
    28:37 - The Book vs The Podcast
    30:34 - How Can We Make History More Engaging
    35:54 - How Paul Got Into History
    40:20 - Paul’s Favorite Archive Story
    45:31 - Why Something Didn’t Make It into the Book
    47:29 - The Value of Studying History
    57:08 - History is Not Linear
    1:02:11 - Favorite Apocalypse 

    EPISODE LINKS:
    Paul M.M. Cooper - https://www.paulmmcooper.com
    Fall of Civilizations: Stories of Greatness and Decline - https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/fall-of-civilizations-stories-of-greatness-and-decline-paul-cooper/7592286?ean=9780715655009
    YouTube Channel - https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR7yrLMHm11Xv2FOeHtuhern2tYm_Yd0H&feature=shared
    Byzantine Empire - https://www.britannica.com/place/Byzantine-Empire
    Babylonia - https://www.britannica.com/place/Babylonia
    British Library - https://www.bl.uk
    Mesopotamia – https://www.britannica.com/place/Mesopotamia-historical-region-Asia
    Assyria - https://www.britannica.com/place/Assyria
    Inca - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Inca
    Twitter - @PaulMMCooper
    Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/FallofCivilizations/

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    • 1 hr 7 min
    Eliza Lucas Pinckney, 18th Century Entrepreneur - Dr. Lorri Glover

    Eliza Lucas Pinckney, 18th Century Entrepreneur - Dr. Lorri Glover

    Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Lorri Glover, an expert on a little-known woman entrepreneur of the eighteenth century. She had “schemes,” negotiated with men, made a fortune, and still fulfilled the era’s ideal of a mother and a woman. Why don’t we know more about her?
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    TRANSCRIPT: coming soon 
    OUTLINE:
    0:00 - Intro
    1:22 - Who was Eliza Lucas Pinckney
    3:25 - Eliza's Upbringing and Sense of Self
    5:56 - Absentee Landholders
    6:57 - How Lorri Found Eliza and the Primary Sources She Used
    11:42 - The Importance of Digital Humanities
    14:17 - Eliza Developing Schemes
    19:17 - The Dangers of Sugar Production And Eliza's View on Slavery
    24:52 - Taking Over the Plantations
    28:47 - Was Eliza a Typical Woman
    32:52 - Indigo and Eliza’s Entrepreneurial Spirit
    40:09 - Eliza's Marriage and Loss
    45:18 - Eliza's Connection to London and Becoming a Patriot
    48:22 - A Model of the Plantar Patriarch
    52:01 - Favorite Eliza Story
    54:36 - Eliza as a Religious Woman
    57:55 - Who is Daniel Park
    1:05:22 - Exploring Eliza’s Legacy: Historical Sites in South Carolina

    EPISODE LINKS:
    Lorri Glover, PhD - https://www.slu.edu/arts-and-sciences/history/faculty/glover-lorri.php
    Eliza Lucas Pinckney: An Independent Woman in the Age of Revolution - https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300236118/eliza-lucas-pinckney/
    Eliza Lucas Pinckney, Letters & Memoranda, 1740-1762 - https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/becomingamer/peoples/text5/elizapinckney.pdf
    Antigua - https://www.britannica.com/summary/Antigua-and-Barbuda
    George Washington's Barbados Diary, 1751-52 - https://www.upress.virginia.edu/title/5139/
    All Our Relations: Blood Ties and Emotional Bonds Among the Early South Carolina Gentry - https://academic.oup.com/jah/article-abstract/89/1/207/689079
    The Letterbook of Eliza Lucas Pinckney, 1739-1762 - https://uscpress.com/The-Letterbook-of-Eliza-Lucas-Pinckney-1739-1762
    The Papers of Eliza Lucas Pinckney and Harriott Pinckney Horry - https://rotunda.upress.virginia.edu/PinckneyHorry/
    The Papers of the Revolutionary Era Pinckney Statesmen - https://rotunda.upress.virginia.edu/founders/PNKY.html
    “Conservation Complete for the Eliza Lucas Pinckney Gown” – https://www.charlestonmuseum.org/news-events/conservation-complete-for-the-eliza-lucas-pinckney-gown/
    The Charleston Museum - https://www.charlestonmuseum.org
    Stono Rebellion - https://www.britannica.com/topic/insurrection-politics
    The Great Awakening - https://www.britannica.com/event/Great-Awakening
    Indigo in South Carolina - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/indigo-making-comeback-south-carolina-180980987/
    Charles Pinckney - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Charles-Pinckney
    Daniel Parke - https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/parke-daniel-1669-1710/
    John Custis IV gravestone - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/30234605/john-custis
    Hampton Plantation - https://south-carolina-plantations.com/charleston/hampton.html
    Rainbow Row, Charleston, S.C. - https://charleston.com/charleston-insider/lowcountry-lifestyles/the-captivating-history-of-rainbow-row
    Thomas Pinckney Home - https://charleston.com/charleston-insider/diary-of-a-charleston-tour-guide/114-broad-street-colonel-thomas-pinckney-house

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    • 1 hr 13 min
    The First Asians in the Americas - Dr. Diego Javier Luis

    The First Asians in the Americas - Dr. Diego Javier Luis

    Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Diego Javier Luis to discuss the first Asians in the Americas as part of Pacific World history. Free and unfree migration, six months of treacherous travel, and cultural uprooting defines the Asian experience in the Spanish Americas. Who were these emigrants, and what happened when they arrived in their new world?
    Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia
    TRANSCRIPT: coming soon 
    OUTLINE:
    1:13 - Brief Description of the Book
    2:43 - The Terminology and the Word “Chino”
    9:29 - A Primary Source Nightmare
    15:11 - Contextualizing the Time
    18:10 - How Did People End Up on These Ships? Free and Forced Migration
    26:28 - Why Isn’t This History More Emphasized?
    30:31 - Cultural versus Assigned Identity – Racializing “Asians”
    37:45 - The Structures within Spanish Colonial Society
    44:36 - Chino Emancipation and Similarities to the Atlantic Slave Trade
    48:57 - What You Need to Know about the Spanish Inquisition
    53:51 - Catarina de San Juan

    EPISODE LINKS:
    Diego Javier Luis - https://as.tufts.edu/history/people/faculty/diego-luis
    The First Asians in the Americas: A Transpacific History - https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674271784
    Inquisition - https://www.britannica.com/topic/inquisition
    Manila Galleons - https://www.britannica.com/technology/Manila-galleon
    Atlantic World - https://history.illinois.edu/atlantic-world
    Ethnolinguistics - https://www.britannica.com/science/ethnolinguistics
    History of Pampagna - https://www.tagaloglang.com/history-of-pampanga
    Caste And Class Structure In Colonial Spanish America - https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/caste-and-class-structure-colonial-spanish-america
    Catarina de San Juan - https://thediplomat.com/2024/01/one-womans-journey-from-south-asia-to-mexico-and-from-slave-to-spiritual-icon/
    The Conversation - https://theconversation.com/profiles/diego-javier-luis-1475619
    Aeon magazine - https://aeon.co/users/diego-javier-luis
    Smithsonian Folklife - https://folklife.si.edu/magazine/asian-history-oregon-no-no-boy-1603
    New Podcast – TBD! 

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    • 1 hr 7 min
    The Osage Nation and Killers of the Flower Moon - Jim Gray

    The Osage Nation and Killers of the Flower Moon - Jim Gray

    Description:
    Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Jim Gray, the great-grandson of Henry Roan who was murdered in the Reign of Terror as depicted in the movie “The Killers of the Flower Moon.” A former Osage chief, Gray offers his unique perspective of Native history, Hollywood portrayals of Indigenous peoples, his personal connection to a painful and understudied time in the history of the United States, and the ultimate triumph of the Osage people.
    Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia
    TRANSCRIPT: coming soon 
    OUTLINE:
    0:00 - Historical Overview and Jim’s Perspective
    7:38 - Allotment, Oil and Guadianships
    13:29 - Restricted vs Unrestricted Allotments
    17:00 - Osage Control, Tribal Governments and Boarding Schools
    20:26 - How the Osage Viewed Allotments
    22:01 - Henry Roan’s Legacy
    33:02 - The Film’s Original Script and an Osage Dinner with Martin Scorsesse 
    46:11 - The Wedding Scene and Robert DeNiro Speaking Osage
    53:11 - Living In Both Worlds…Even Today
    57:58 - Jim’s Time as Chief
    1:04:21 - Closing Thoughts and The Future of the Osage
    EPISODE LINKS:
    Osage Nation - https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov
    Killers of the Flower Moon (Movie)- https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5537002/
    Killers of the Flower Moon (Book) - https://www.davidgrann.com/books/#killers-of-the-flower-moon
    Osage Primary Sources - https://www.archivesfoundation.org/newsletter/this-actually-happened/
    Henry Roan - https://nativenewsonline.net/arts-entertainment/margo-gray-writes-a-poignant-letter-to-her-great-grandfather-one-of-the-murder-victims-portrayed-in-killers-of-the-flower-moon
    The Osage "Reign of Terror" Murder Trials: An Account - https://www.famous-trials.com/osage-home/2378-the-osage-reign-of-terror-murder-trials-an-account
    Osage Culture - https://www.osageculture.com/culture/multimedia-collections
    Osage Oil Money - https://www.npr.org/2017/04/17/523964584/in-the-1920s-a-community-conspired-to-kill-native-americans-for-their-oil-money
    1906 Osage Allotment Act - https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/news/osage-minerals-council-seeks-federal-legislation-facilitating-return-osage#:~:text=In%201906%2C%20the%20U.S.%20Congress,the%20Interior%20to%20create%20a
    Native American Boarding Schools - https://americanindian.si.edu/nk360/code-talkers/boarding-schools/
    Deb Haaland - https://www.doi.gov/secretary-deb-haaland
    Major Crimes Act - https://www.ovcttac.gov/saneguide/legal-and-ethical-foundations-for-sane-practice/tribal-law/#:~:text=The%20Major%20Crimes%20Act%2C%2018,%2C%20most%20sexual%20offenses%2C%20etc.
    How the Osage Changed Martin Scorsese’s Mind - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-the-osage-changed-martin-scorseses-mind-180983094/
    Osage Language - https://www.osageculture.com/language
    Twitter - @JimGrayTweetz
    PODCAST INFO:
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    Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536
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    • 1 hr 19 min
    Feed Drop - The Gilded Age and Progressive Era Podcast

    Feed Drop - The Gilded Age and Progressive Era Podcast

    We are proud to present an episode from the podcast The Gilded Age and Progressive Era.
    “Dressed for Freedom” - The white dresses of suffragists stand out as one example of women's fashion that made a statement. Dr. Einav Rabinovitch-Fox joins the show to discuss her book Dressed for Freedom: American Feminism and the Politics of Women’s Fashion and the many ways that style brought substance to women's activism.
    Description of the Show: The Gilded Age and Progressive Era is a free podcast about the seismic transitions that took place in the United States from the 1870s to 1920s. It's for students, teachers, researchers, history buffs, and anyone who wants to learn more about how our past connects us to the present. It is hosted by Michael Patrick Cullinane, a professor of U.S. history and the author of several books about American politics and international relations.
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    • 1 hr 9 min
    The Progressive Era and Modernizing the Presidency - Dr. Michael Patrick Cullinane

    The Progressive Era and Modernizing the Presidency - Dr. Michael Patrick Cullinane

    Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus welcome Dr. Michael Cullinane to discuss naming historical eras, the first modern president, influence as power, and third party politics. Has politics changed much in the last 120 years? Or at all?

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    TRANSCRIPT: coming soon 
    OUTLINE:
    0:00 - Introduction
    1:28 - What is the Gilded Age and The Progressive Era
    7:40 - Theodore Roosevelt, How he defined the Age and What Progressive Meant
    11:22 - Theodore Roosevelt Modernizing The Office
    23:19 - Theodore Roosevelt Shaping the National Narrative
    24:52 - Theodore Roosevelt's Tennis Cabinet
    32:37 - Third Parties and the Bull Moose Party
    40:30 - What Did TR Think of Wilson?
    42:07 - Will a Third Party Ever Arise?
    46:49 - We Have Been Here Before & TR’s Legacy
    53:15 - Favorite TR's Story and the Historical Sites to Visit!

    Professor of U.S. History and the Lowman Walton Chair of Theodore Roosevelt Studies at Dickinson State University in North Dakota.
    Website - https://www.michaelpatrickcullinane.com
    The Gilded Age and Progressive Era Podcast - https://www.michaelpatrickcullinane.com/podcast
    Remembering Theodore Roosevelt: Reminiscences of His Contemporaries - https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-69296-4
    Theodore Roosevelt's Ghost: The History and Memory of an American Icon - https://lsupress.org/9780807166727/
    “Gild the Lily” - https://www.merriam-webster.com/word-of-the-day/gild%20the%20lily-2008-04-04
    Theodore Roosevelt, Sr. - https://www.nps.gov/thrb/learn/historyculture/theodorerooseveltsr.htm
    Franklin D. Roosevelt – https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/franklin-d-roosevelt/
    William McKinley - https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/william-mckinley/
    Theodore Roosevelt in the Spanish-American War - https://guides.loc.gov/chronicling-america-theodore-roosevelt-rough-riders/introduction
    Charles Darwin, On the Origin of Species - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Charles-Darwin/On-the-Origin-of-Species
    TR’s Tennis Cabinet - https://www.loc.gov/item/2013650863/
    Bull Moose Party - https://www.britannica.com/topic/Bull-Moose-Party
    William Howard Taft - https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/william-howard-taft/
    Woodrow Wilson - https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/woodrow-wilson/
    Eugene V. Debs - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Eugene-V-Debs
    History of the Teddy Bear - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/history-teddy-bear-once-seen-dangerous-influence-young-children-180983234/
    TR Birthplace in Manhattan - https://www.nps.gov/thrb/index.htm
    TR Island near D.C. - https://www.nps.gov/this/index.htm
    Sagamore Hill, Home of TR - https://www.nps.gov/sahi/index.htm
    TR Presidential Library (2026) - https://www.trlibrary.com
    Theodore Roosevelt Center at Dickinson State University - https://www.theodorerooseveltcenter.org

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    • 1 hr 2 min

Customer Reviews

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45 Ratings

45 Ratings

JustinSMD ,

Love It

I’ve listened to many episodes and love the information but particularly liked the recent 1865 episode and the discussion on the paradigm shift in the political parties and how we might be going through another shift now. What a fascinating assertion!

Mwaite08 ,

Peggy Arnold Episode

I absolutely loved the latest episode on Peggy Arnold. The “deleted scenes” from history had me gasping along with Dr. Price. I’ll be thinking about Hamilton picking peaches while Benedict escapes and how Peggy and Benedict compare to “bad Felicity” and her spy husband in the Americans for awhile.

MMoranz ,

Fantastic show!

Really enjoy the conversations about the history. Love the guests and I have learned so much!

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