The AFIRE Podcast

AFIRE
The AFIRE Podcast

AFIRE is the association for international real estate investors focused on commercial property in the United States. www.afire.org

  1. Middle Market Alpha

    3 DE FEV.

    Middle Market Alpha

    Neville Rhone, Jr. is the co-founder and managing partner at Arc Capital Partners, a leading institutional real estate owner and investment manager. Arc is focussed on converting mixed-use properties instead of tearing down and building new. Rhone also is someone who’s poised to find opportunities in challenging environments. So where are these opportunities hiding? ”Everything that we do is in the middle market,” says Rhone, who goes on to explain that the middle market is often overlooked. “Blackstone is not paying attention to it; Brookfield is not paying attention to it.” The middle market often is “too complicated for the smaller investors,” so they also miss out on great opportunities. In Neville Rhone, Jr.’s compelling conversation with AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson, the two men discuss where the best investment opportunities are hiding in 2025—and why a fresh perspective on investments in this upcoming cycle is so beneficial. Key Moments 00:00 AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson intro. 01:02 Branson introduces Neville Rhone, Jr. Managing Partner at Arc Capital Partners 02:12 Where are the best opportunities for attainable housing? 06:12 How does Arc approach infill urban areas and create more attainable market-rate housing? 11:07 How does Arc encourage thinking about unconventional investment opportunities in a challenging environment? 15:42 How does Rhone help investors understand that this middle-market approach is a wise, risk-adjusted approach? 26:24 Why should building owners care about sustainability in their investment approach? 29:43 Where are the opportunities hiding in 2025?

    33min
  2. The Dawn of a New Real Estate Cycle

    23 DE JAN.

    The Dawn of a New Real Estate Cycle

    Brian Klinksiek thinks we’re turning a page to a new market in 2025. “Even with what’s happened with long interest rates, there’s so much other stuff,” says Klinksiek, the global head of research and strategy at LaSalle Investment Management. “We’ve got prices more in line with where bond markets are… we have valuations that have caught up with prices, the denominator effect that is resolved, you’ve got property market fundamentals improving for the beat-up sectors.” The new market makes real estate investing more complex, according to Klinksiek. The task in 2025 involves selecting from a more extensive breakfast menu of options, similar to that of a New York diner—so-called, Klinksiek says, because while there’s a lot of choice, some of them are a little dodgy, and you certainly don’t want all of them. Making the correct selections on where to invest is more difficult when more sectors are returning to investability. Take office, Klinksiek says. During the pandemic, the link broke down between office-using job creation and occupied square footage. “And what we see now is the beginning of it starting to reassert itself—the link is coming back.” Which means that Klinksiek expects people returning to office “will start to eat away at the mound of vacancies” in 2025. He also likes data centers in the short term, although he believes that innovation will limit the sector’s growth at some point in future. Listen or watch the episode on your favorite platform at: https://www.afire.org/podcast/202508cast/ Key Moments 00:00 AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson intro 01:24 How should investors approach CRE trends in 2025? 05:02 Will office surprise investors in 2025? 08:52 Will data centres continue to be the star player in CRE in 2025 despite scarcity?

    14min
  3. Rebecca Rockey on the 2025 CRE Forecast

    9 DE JAN.

    Rebecca Rockey on the 2025 CRE Forecast

    We left 2024 expecting surprises from political change and geopolitical shifts. But according to Rebecca Rockey, Deputy Chief Economist and Global Head of Forecasting at Cushman & Wakefield, the actual surprise in store during the year ahead may be how little things change. For example, some anticipate a widespread sell off of distressed commercial real estate assets in 2025. But Rockey believes the pace will be much slower than many expect. Rather than a cliff event, she predicts a slow burn that continues well into 2026 and perhaps even into 2027. “I don’t think we will have a shortage of surprises out of DC,” says Rockey, who lives in the area. “But I think there are forces in motion that are going to play out next year, regardless of what’s happening in the policy environment.” “…specifically around the capital markets, which are a defining feature of this cycle for commercial real estate. We’ve clearly gone through some repricing, we’ve seen capital sources start to shift around in response to that, and as we move forward this year those shifts in capital sources will continue to play out—and I think those changes will be much more prolonged than just 2025.” Other themes: What shifts does Rockey expect in the capital markets? Will distressed deals tick up in the year ahead—and by how much? Where the best opportunities are hiding in 2025? Watch the video or listen to the audio episode for answers.

    13min

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