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Dev Propulsion Labs is a podcast about the business of developer tools. Hosts from the Evil Martians team interview prominent dev tools founders with the goal of sharing knowledge in the maturing developer tool and commercial open source industry.

  1. Sarah Wooders on why LLMs are like Memento and building the infrastructure for stateful AI agents

    HÁ 3 DIAS

    Sarah Wooders on why LLMs are like Memento and building the infrastructure for stateful AI agents

    Join us for a conversation with Sarah Wooders, CTO & co-founder of Letta AI, as she reveals why LLMs are not there yet and how stateful agents will unlock the next generation of AI applications. From Berkeley PhD to YC alum to building the infrastructure for truly intelligent agents. Key insights from this episode. On the core problem with LLMs: "It's kind of like if you've seen the movie Memento... if you have a person that just forgets every single day or forgets every five minutes... That's basically what LLMs are." Why 2025 feels like the early Internet: "I feel like with AI, this is our version of that. There's just so much opportunity. Everything is so undefined. There's a ton of white space... so much low hanging fruit." The difference between real agents and marketing fluff: "A lot of people just added LLMs into [existing workflows] and then called them an agent... that's inherently still very different from something that's like an agent that has identity, that works autonomously, that learns." On building in the AI boom vs 2020: "Right now is a much better time to be building a startup... the amount of value that's just being created and that you can capture is so much more." What's still missing in AI infrastructure: "MCP is super early... there's a ton of differences in how people implement the protocol. Auth hasn't really been figured out. There's a big lack of standardization." Why open source matters for AI tools: "We want to do that agentic orchestration in an open way... allowing developers to have as much control as possible over their context window, being able to see what tokens are going in and out." Links: Letta AI: https://letta.com Sarah Wooders on X: https://x.com/sarahwooders Evil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartians Victoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en Evil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtools #AI #Agents #LLM #Startups #OpenSource #AItooling #StatefulAgents

    37min
  2. Adam Frankl on why 2025 is the best year ever to build a developer tool startup

    3 DE SET.

    Adam Frankl on why 2025 is the best year ever to build a developer tool startup

    Join us for an incredible conversation with Adam Frankl - author, advisor, investor, and the final boss of development marketing. In this episode, we dive deep into the biggest challenges facing developer tool startups in 2025 and how to overcome them. On the AI boom opportunity: 2025 has gotta be the best year ever for starting a developer tool startup because there is so much chaos, and that's what makes this exciting. The #1 mistake founders make: Problem not product. Become an expert on the problem. Talk about the problem. Write about the problem... Too many founders they wanna talk about the product. They want to demo the product... And quite frankly, no one is interested. Why you need to be obsessed: You have to pick a problem that the problem also picks you. It's the type of problem that you just can't sleep at night because you're thinking about it... You know when the problem is the right problem because it seizes a hold of your brain. The social media strategy that works: Your mechanistic goal is you wanna be posting about this problem every day. Because you want to be the authority on this problem. Authority author, it's the same root. To be an authority, you have to write. On enterprise sales in 2025: Budgets are being cleared for AI investments, and this is astonishing... top executives are basically clearing budget line items say we're gonna invest in AI. Why San Francisco matters: The reason you come to Silicon Valley is the best customers are here. And you're not gonna be closing these tech 100 companies if you are in Tokyo or Lisbon. The game-changing AI workflow: Make a recording. Make a transcript... And then use an LLM to anonymize but consolidate transcripts. And that can be extraordinarily powerful. Links: - Adam's book: "Developer Facing Startup" (Amazon #1 bestseller): https://www.amazon.com/Developer-Facing-Startup-market-developer-facing/dp/B0D4KGHQML - Alchemist Accelerator: https://www.alchemistaccelerator.com/ - Evil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartians - Victoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en Evil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtools #DeveloperTools #StartupMarketing #AI #Enterprise #SanFrancisco #DevTools

    35min
  3. Jason Bosco on building a profitable search engine serving 10 billion searches without VC funding

    19 DE AGO.

    Jason Bosco on building a profitable search engine serving 10 billion searches without VC funding

    Jason Bosco, CEO and co-founder of TypeSense, shares how he and his co-founder built a profitable search engine serving 10 billion searches monthly without taking VC funding. From Dollar Shave Club VP of Engineering to bootstrapped founder, Jason reveals the unconventional path to building sustainable developer tools. Key insights from this episode: "If it is hard for you as a founder to convince someone to pay you, it's never gonna get easier from there." Find what people are willing to pay for early - don't build first and monetize later. "We're opinionated and we want search to work out of the box right from the get-go." TypeSense chose simplicity over configurability, targeting 80% of use cases with zero-config search versus Elasticsearch's thousands of parameters. "We don't want the gamble on TypeSense the company to end up affecting TypeSense the product." Jason explains why they chose profitability over VC funding to build a multi-generational product without the pressure of 10x returns. "Doing dev tools in closed source is like playing it on hard mode." Open source creates better feedback loops with developers, leading to faster product iteration and stronger community adoption. Links: - TypeSense: https://typesense.org/ - TypeSense Cloud: https://cloud.typesense.org/ - Jason Bosco on X: https://x.com/jasonbosco - Evil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartians - Victoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en Evil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtools

    37min
  4. Anna Veronika Dorogush on why having high-density talent on the team is crucial for Recraft

    31 DE JUL.

    Anna Veronika Dorogush on why having high-density talent on the team is crucial for Recraft

    Anna Veronika Dorogush, founder and CEO of Recraft, reveals how she built one of the world's leading AI image generation platforms by solving real professional design problems instead of chasing AI hype. Some key insights: "My whole back-end team is medalists and finalists of World Championship in programming." Strong people attract strong people, creating a talent density that enables a small team to compete with giants. "We are just focused on producing the best models in image generation space for designers, for professional use cases." While others built general AI image generators, Recraft targeted designers' specific needs: brand consistency, style control, and professional workflows. "That's the major differentiator between ourselves and other AI native tools is we are building our technology from scratch in-house. And that allows us to solve for professional tasks." Training proprietary models in-house allows solving for your users' exact problems (controlling styles, brand colors, fonts). "At the first stage, think investors mostly are evaluating founders and founding teams. After that, investors are evaluating product market fit and retention and later, monetization starts to be very important. We've raised three rounds so far and on every one of those rounds, different things were considered very important." Links: Recraft: https://www.recraft.ai/ Anna Veronika on X: https://x.com/avwriting Evil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartians Victoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en Evil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtools

    40min
  5. Michael Magán, co-founder at tambo ai, on how a friendly octopus makes AI more approachable

    10 DE JUL.

    Michael Magán, co-founder at tambo ai, on how a friendly octopus makes AI more approachable

    Evil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtools Links: - tambo ai: https://tambo.co/ - Michael Magán on X: https://x.com/mrmagan_ - Evil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartians - Victoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en

    30min
  6. José Valim on feeding desire to learn, healthy Elixir ecosystem and the future of AI tooling

    30 DE JUN.

    José Valim on feeding desire to learn, healthy Elixir ecosystem and the future of AI tooling

    José Valim, creator of Elixir and founder of Dashbit, shares how he built one of the most loved programming languages by following curiosity over market trends. Key insights for devtool founders: - Build for yourself first - José's "selfish" approach of creating tools he actually wants to use led to authentic adoption and marketing. When you can explain genuine technical trade-offs instead of chasing trends, developers listen. - Decentralize early - Without Google/Apple-level resources, Elixir succeeded by empowering the community to own different domains (web, ML, embedded) rather than centralizing control. - Make pivotal technical bets - Targeting the battle-tested Erlang VM and enabling the Phoenix framework were key architectural decisions that paid off long-term. - Marketing = explaining trade-offs - Skip the sales pitch. Show developers exactly what they get and what they give up. José's rule: "If all we have is opinions, I prefer mine." - Enable ecosystem growth - Dashbit's consulting reveals adoption friction points, which feed back into language improvements and new open-source projects. Current focus: José is building Tidewave, exploring higher-level AI development tools that understand web frameworks, not just code. Companies using Elixir: Discord, Remote, Supabase, Fly.io, Apple, Toyota, BBC, PepsiCo, Mozilla Evil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtools Links: - Elixir: https://elixir-lang.org/ - Tidewave: https://tidewave.ai/ - Livebook: https://livebook.dev/ - José Valim on X: https://x.com/josevalim - Evil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartians - Victoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en

    37min
  7. Adam Wenchel, CEO at Arthur AI, on building AI guardrails, the last mile problem, and coaching code bots

    24 DE JUN.

    Adam Wenchel, CEO at Arthur AI, on building AI guardrails, the last mile problem, and coaching code bots

    Adam Wenchel has been building AI infrastructure since before it was cool. As CEO and co-founder of Arthur AI, he's spent six years solving the "last mile problem" - getting AI from impressive demos to reliable production systems. In this conversation, we dive deep into why Adam open sources million-dollar tools, how his enterprise experience at Capital One shaped his approach to developer empathy, and his provocative prediction that we'll soon need fewer developers but better "code bot coaches." What we cover: - Why the gap between 90% demo accuracy and 99% production reliability is make-or-break for AI adoption - The strategic decision to open source Arthur Shield and Bench instead of keeping them proprietary - How working inside a 50,000-person company taught him to build better developer tools - Whether AI will eliminate junior developers (and why the answer isn't what you think) - The future of software development: from 50-person teams to 5 expert coaches - What makes the perfect developer tool (hint: simplicity + a sprinkle of cleverness) Adam's journey from acquiring a 5-person startup to Capital One to building Arthur offers rare insights into both enterprise AI deployment and the evolving landscape of developer productivity. If you're building AI tools, selling to enterprises, or wondering how to future-proof your development career, this conversation is packed with actionable wisdom. Links: - Website: https://www.arthur.ai/ - GitHub: https://github.com/arthur-ai/arthur-engine - Adam Wenchel on X: https://x.com/apwenchel - Evil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartians - Victoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en

    24min
  8. Sam Bhagwat on Gatsby and Mastra, YC and tapping into your inner child

    20 DE MAI.

    Sam Bhagwat on Gatsby and Mastra, YC and tapping into your inner child

    In this episode of Dev Propulsion Labs, we sit down with Sam Bhagwat, the dev tools visionary who co-founded Gatsby and is now transforming AI development with Mastra - the TypeScript framework that's rapidly gaining adoption among serious AI developers. After selling Gatsby to Netlify, Sam identified a critical gap in AI tooling that was forcing developers to build complex infrastructure themselves. Now, his YC-backed framework is helping startups and enterprises build production-grade AI agents with far less overhead. You'll discover: - The pivotal moment Sam realized existing AI tools weren't solving the right problems - Strategic insights from his YC Winter 2025 experience that accelerated Mastra's growth - Why TypeScript-first is the right approach for building maintainable AI applications - The thoughtful licensing strategy that balances open-source principles with business sustainability - What current AI frameworks are missing and how Mastra addresses these limitations For founders and technical leaders building in the AI space, this conversation offers valuable perspective on navigating the rapidly evolving agent ecosystem while creating a sustainable developer tools business. Links: - Dev Propulsion Labs podcast: https://evilmartians.com/devpropulsionlabs - Try Mastra: npm create mastra@latest - Website: https://mastra.ai - GitHub: https://github.com/mastra-ai/mastra - Book: "Principles of Building AI Agents" on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Building-Agents-Sam-Bhagwat/dp/B0DYH5GHDD - Sam Bhagwat Twitter: https://twitter.com/calcsam - Victoria Melnikova Twitter: https://twitter.com/vmelnikova_en Best comment on YouTube will be rewarded with a free copy of Sam's book

    28min
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Dev Propulsion Labs is a podcast about the business of developer tools. Hosts from the Evil Martians team interview prominent dev tools founders with the goal of sharing knowledge in the maturing developer tool and commercial open source industry.

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  • Criado por
    Evil Martians
  • Anos de atividade
    2023 - 2025
  • Episódios
    19
  • Classificação
    Explícito
  • Copyright
    © Evil Martians 2023
  • Site do podcast
    Dev Propulsion Labs