219 episodes

A narrative show that explores the complex industries that will play an important role in creating an abundant future for humanity. Every season, host Packy McCormick – a venture investor and writer of the popular Not Boring newsletter – brings in an expert cohost to go deep into the possibilities and challenges of making “sci-fi” dreams our reality in our lifetimes. The first season starts at the root of all progress and prosperity: unlocking 10x more clean and reliable energy by splitting and fusing atoms themselves.

Age of Miracles is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: turpentine.co

"Age of Miracles‪"‬ Packy McCormick

    • Technology
    • 4.9 • 91 Ratings

A narrative show that explores the complex industries that will play an important role in creating an abundant future for humanity. Every season, host Packy McCormick – a venture investor and writer of the popular Not Boring newsletter – brings in an expert cohost to go deep into the possibilities and challenges of making “sci-fi” dreams our reality in our lifetimes. The first season starts at the root of all progress and prosperity: unlocking 10x more clean and reliable energy by splitting and fusing atoms themselves.

Age of Miracles is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: turpentine.co

    Mass Manufacturing Micro-sized Nuclear Reactors with Jordan Bramble and Julia DeWahl of Antares

    Mass Manufacturing Micro-sized Nuclear Reactors with Jordan Bramble and Julia DeWahl of Antares

    Here's our full-length interview with Jordan Bramble and our own Julia DeWahl, co-founders of Antares, where we dive deep into how Antares plans on manufacturing in mass micro-sized nuclear reactors to provide abundant energy for all.
    🔥 Apply to join over 400 founders and Execs in the Turpentine Network: https://hmplogxqz0y.typeform.com/to/JCkphVqj

    Huge thank you to our sponsors:
    Range Fund Holdings: Tired of volatile markets and unreliable energies? Look no further than the Range Nuclear Renaissance ETF, your gateway to the clean, safe, and ever-expanding world of nuclear power. Visit https://www.rangeetfs.com or contact your financial advisor to learn more about the Range Nuclear Renaissance ETF and start investing in the future of energy.
    Secureframe: the only compliance automation platform with AI capabilities that help customers speed up cloud remediation and security questionnaires. Get 10% off your first year of Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/packy
    Pilot.com: accounting, CFO, and tax services that are designed with flexibility and scalability in mind. To get 20% off your accounting bill for the first 6 months, go to https://pilot.com/packy
    Tegus: combine fragmented workflows under one roof and compete on your ability to analyze companies — not on how well you aggregate data. Learn more and start your free trial at tegus.com/miracles
    Clean Air Task Force: CATF is one of the few NGO's in the world paving the way toward the global demonstration and establishment of a fusion energy industry this decade. They are undertaking and commissioning fusion energy market studies, technology readiness assessments, and regulatory analysis, emphasizing areas for international collaboration. As an objective and independent resource for stakeholders in the fusion sector, CATF is working to raise awareness and accelerate the potential for fusion energy. Learn more and support their efforts at: https://www.catf.us/fusion-energy/
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    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mos4VE3figVXleHDqfXOH
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    For the full list of resources referenced in this show: https://ageofmiracles.co/ 

    Subscribe to Not Boring to get weekly doses of tech and business strategy, straight to your inbox: https://www.notboring.co/

    Follow our hosts:
    Packy McCormick on Twitter and LinkedIn
    Julia DeWahl on Twitter and LinkedIn

    Timestamps:
    (00:10) Introduction
    (03:50) Background story of starting Antares
    (05:50) Role of military applications in microreactor development
    (10:11) Working with DoD and commercial sector
    (15:28) The process of building a microreactor
    (20:04) On shifting from Software to Nuclear
    (23:06) Addressing risks in Antares
    (32:03) Next steps and timeline for Antares
    (39:18) The future of the world with abundant nuclear energy

    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Credits: Nancy Xu produced this season of Age of Miracles. Audio editor: Justin Golden. Executive producers: Amelia Salyers, Packy McCormick, and Erik Torenberg. 

    • 42 min
    A World with Abundant Fusion Energy with David Kirtley of Helion Energy

    A World with Abundant Fusion Energy with David Kirtley of Helion Energy

    Here's our full-length interview with David Kirtley, founder of Helion Energy, where we dive deep into the need for fusion as a replacement for fossil fuels.
    🔥 Apply to join over 400 founders and Execs in the Turpentine Network: https://hmplogxqz0y.typeform.com/to/JCkphVqj

    Huge thank you to our sponsors:
    Range Fund Holdings: Tired of volatile markets and unreliable energies? Look no further than the Range Nuclear Renaissance ETF, your gateway to the clean, safe, and ever-expanding world of nuclear power. Visit https://www.rangeetfs.com or contact your financial advisor to learn more about the Range Nuclear Renaissance ETF and start investing in the future of energy.
    Secureframe: the only compliance automation platform with AI capabilities that help customers speed up cloud remediation and security questionnaires. Get 10% off your first year of Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/packy
    Pilot.com: accounting, CFO, and tax services that are designed with flexibility and scalability in mind. To get 20% off your accounting bill for the first 6 months, go to https://pilot.com/packy
    Tegus: combine fragmented workflows under one roof and compete on your ability to analyze companies — not on how well you aggregate data. Learn more and start your free trial at tegus.com/miracles
    Clean Air Task Force: CATF is one of the few NGO's in the world paving the way toward the global demonstration and establishment of a fusion energy industry this decade. They are undertaking and commissioning fusion energy market studies, technology readiness assessments, and regulatory analysis, emphasizing areas for international collaboration. As an objective and independent resource for stakeholders in the fusion sector, CATF is working to raise awareness and accelerate the potential for fusion energy. Learn more and support their efforts at: https://www.catf.us/fusion-energy/

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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST:
    Patrick McKenzie (@patio11) talks to experts who understand the complicated but not unknowable systems we rely on. You might be surprised at how quickly Patrick and his guests can put you in the top 1% of understanding for stock trading, tech hiring, and more.
    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mos4VE3figVXleHDqfXOH
    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/id1753399812https://podcasts.apple.com/id1753399812
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    For the full list of resources referenced in this show: https://ageofmiracles.co/ 

    Subscribe to Not Boring to get weekly doses of tech and business strategy, straight to your inbox: https://www.notboring.co/

    Follow our hosts:
    Packy McCormick on Twitter and LinkedIn
    Julia DeWahl on Twitter and LinkedIn

    Timestamps:
    (00:00) The future of energy sources in the US
    (03:10) Introduction to Helion Energy
    (08:33) Different approaches in fusion
    (12:21) Partnerships with Microsoft
    (16:16) Size and scalability of fusion reactors
    (20:21) Power control and regulation in fusion
    (25:44) Tracking progress at Helion
    (29:51) The market and competition in commercial fusion
    (34:30) Working with academia and regulatory
    (42:29) Challenges and risks in fusion development
    (44:13) The vision of abundant fusion energy

    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Credits: Nancy Xu produced this season of Age of Miracles. Audio editor: Justin Golden. Executive producers: Amelia Salyers, Packy McCormick, and Erik Torenberg. 

    • 49 min
    Unlocking Nuclear Power at Scale with Bret Kugelmass of Last Energy

    Unlocking Nuclear Power at Scale with Bret Kugelmass of Last Energy

    Here's our full-length interview with Bret Kugelmass, founder of Last Energy, where we dive deep into nuclear manufacturing and the importance of manufacturing efficiency.
    🔥 Apply to join over 400 founders and Execs in the Turpentine Network: https://hmplogxqz0y.typeform.com/to/JCkphVqj

    Huge thank you to our sponsors:
    Range Fund Holdings: Tired of volatile markets and unreliable energies? Look no further than the Range Nuclear Renaissance ETF, your gateway to the clean, safe, and ever-expanding world of nuclear power. Visit https://www.rangeetfs.com or contact your financial advisor to learn more about the Range Nuclear Renaissance ETF and start investing in the future of energy.
    Secureframe: the only compliance automation platform with AI capabilities that help customers speed up cloud remediation and security questionnaires. Get 10% off your first year of Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/packy
    Pilot.com: accounting, CFO, and tax services that are designed with flexibility and scalability in mind. To get 20% off your accounting bill for the first 6 months, go to https://pilot.com/packy
    Tegus: combine fragmented workflows under one roof and compete on your ability to analyze companies — not on how well you aggregate data. Learn more and start your free trial at tegus.com/miracles
    Clean Air Task Force: CATF is one of the few NGO's in the world paving the way toward the global demonstration and establishment of a fusion energy industry this decade. They are undertaking and commissioning fusion energy market studies, technology readiness assessments, and regulatory analysis, emphasizing areas for international collaboration. As an objective and independent resource for stakeholders in the fusion sector, CATF is working to raise awareness and accelerate the potential for fusion energy. Learn more and support their efforts at: https://www.catf.us/fusion-energy/
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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST:
    Patrick McKenzie (@patio11) talks to experts who understand the complicated but not unknowable systems we rely on. You might be surprised at how quickly Patrick and his guests can put you in the top 1% of understanding for stock trading, tech hiring, and more.
    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mos4VE3figVXleHDqfXOH
    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/id1753399812https://podcasts.apple.com/id1753399812
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    For the full list of resources referenced in this show: https://ageofmiracles.co/ 

    Subscribe to Not Boring to get weekly doses of tech and business strategy, straight to your inbox: https://www.notboring.co/

    Follow our hosts:
    Packy McCormick on Twitter and LinkedIn
    Julia DeWahl on Twitter and LinkedIn

    Timestamps:
    (00:00) Introduction
    (04:38) Regulatory capture and the NRC
    (09:45) The cost of nuclear + manufacturing
    (18:11) The Last Energy product and manufacturing process
    (25:14) The future of nuclear energy
    (29:31) Risks and mitigation in the nuclear energy business
    (35:52) The limitations of wind and wolar
    (40:49) Gigawatt scale power
    (43:14) What would the world look like with abundant nuclear energy?

    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Credits: Nancy Xu produced this season of Age of Miracles. Audio editor: Justin Golden. Executive producers: Amelia Salyers, Packy McCormick, and Erik Torenberg. 

    • 47 min
    Building Nuclear for the Moon with Tyler Bernstein of Zeno Power

    Building Nuclear for the Moon with Tyler Bernstein of Zeno Power

    We're kicking off the first of our bonus episodes with Tyler Bernstein, founder and CEO of Zeno Power, where he shares in-depth how they're creating radioisotope power systems for lunar applications.
    🔥 Apply to join over 400 founders and Execs in the Turpentine Network: https://hmplogxqz0y.typeform.com/to/JCkphVqj

    Huge thank you to our sponsors:
    Range Fund Holdings: Tired of volatile markets and unreliable energies? Look no further than the Range Nuclear Renaissance ETF, your gateway to the clean, safe, and ever-expanding world of nuclear power. Visit https://www.rangeetfs.com or contact your financial advisor to learn more about the Range Nuclear Renaissance ETF and start investing in the future of energy.
    Secureframe: the only compliance automation platform with AI capabilities that help customers speed up cloud remediation and security questionnaires. Get 10% off your first year of Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/packy
    Pilot.com: accounting, CFO, and tax services that are designed with flexibility and scalability in mind. To get 20% off your accounting bill for the first 6 months, go to https://pilot.com/packy
    Tegus: combine fragmented workflows under one roof and compete on your ability to analyze companies — not on how well you aggregate data. Learn more and start your free trial at tegus.com/miracles
    Clean Air Task Force: CATF is one of the few NGO's in the world paving the way toward the global demonstration and establishment of a fusion energy industry this decade. They are undertaking and commissioning fusion energy market studies, technology readiness assessments, and regulatory analysis, emphasizing areas for international collaboration. As an objective and independent resource for stakeholders in the fusion sector, CATF is working to raise awareness and accelerate the potential for fusion energy. Learn more and support their efforts at: https://www.catf.us/fusion-energy/
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    RECOMMENDED PODCAST:
    Patrick McKenzie (@patio11) talks to experts who understand the complicated but not unknowable systems we rely on. You might be surprised at how quickly Patrick and his guests can put you in the top 1% of understanding for stock trading, tech hiring, and more.
    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mos4VE3figVXleHDqfXOH
    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/id1753399812https://podcasts.apple.com/id1753399812
    --
    For the full list of resources referenced in this show: https://ageofmiracles.co/ 

    Subscribe to Not Boring to get weekly doses of tech and business strategy, straight to your inbox: https://www.notboring.co/

    Follow our hosts:
    Packy McCormick on Twitter and LinkedIn
    Julia DeWahl on Twitter and LinkedIn

    Timestamps:
    (00:00) Introduction
    (00:22) The Pie of Energy Sources in 2050
    (01:35) Nuclear Energy in Space
    (06:12) Radioisotope Power vs. Nuclear Power for Propulsion
    (10:54) Building Zeno Power
    (14:18) Economics and Regulation in Space Nuclear
    (20:01) Competitive Dynamics and Protecting Market Position
    (23:00) Challenges and Risks
    (25:29) Business Models and Financing
    (29:42) De-risking the Supply Chain
    (32:17) Product and Process of Zeno Power
    (35:22) Geopolitics and the Moon
    (38:48) Abundant Energy in the Universe

    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Credits: Nancy Xu produced this season of Age of Miracles. Audio editor: Justin Golden. Executive producers: Amelia Salyers, Packy McCormick, and Erik Torenberg. 

    • 41 min
    Energy for an Age of Miracles

    Energy for an Age of Miracles

    We can live in an Age of Miracles, but it’s going to take a lot of work. 
    Energy abundance is the most important thing we can work towards as a species. 
    More than simply surviving climate change, we have the opportunity to unlock a new level of human thriving if we can successfully navigate this transition. 
    That’s why we chose to do the first season of Age of Miracles on the energy sources of the future. In this episode of Age of Miracles, the final episode of season one, Packy and Julia reflect on the importance of energy abundance, how nuclear energy helps us unlock it, and what the future might look like when we do.
    Thank you to all of our guests this season for making this show possible—we're so grateful.

    Huge thank you to our sponsors:
    Range Fund Holdings: Tired of volatile markets and unreliable energies? Look no further than the Range Nuclear Renaissance ETF, your gateway to the clean, safe, and ever-expanding world of nuclear power. Visit https://www.rangeetfs.com or contact your financial advisor to learn more about the Range Nuclear Renaissance ETF and start investing in the future of energy.
    Secureframe: the only compliance automation platform with AI capabilities that help customers speed up cloud remediation and security questionnaires. Get 10% off your first year of Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/packy
    Pilot.com: accounting, CFO, and tax services that are designed with flexibility and scalability in mind. To get 20% off your accounting bill for the first 6 months, go to https://pilot.com/packy
    Tegus: combine fragmented workflows under one roof and compete on your ability to analyze companies — not on how well you aggregate data. Learn more and start your free trial at tegus.com/miracles
    Clean Air Task Force: CATF is one of the few NGO's in the world paving the way toward the global demonstration and establishment of a fusion energy industry this decade. They are undertaking and commissioning fusion energy market studies, technology readiness assessments, and regulatory analysis, emphasizing areas for international collaboration. As an objective and independent resource for stakeholders in the fusion sector, CATF is working to raise awareness and accelerate the potential for fusion energy. Learn more and support their efforts at: https://www.catf.us/fusion-energy/
    --
    RECOMMENDED PODCAST:
    Patrick McKenzie (@patio11) talks to experts who understand the complicated but not unknowable systems we rely on. You might be surprised at how quickly Patrick and his guests can put you in the top 1% of understanding for stock trading, tech hiring, and more.
    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Mos4VE3figVXleHDqfXOH
    Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/id1753399812https://podcasts.apple.com/id1753399812
    --
    For the full list of resources referenced in this show: https://ageofmiracles.co/ 

    Subscribe to Not Boring to get weekly doses of tech and business strategy, straight to your inbox: https://www.notboring.co/

    Follow our hosts:
    Packy McCormick on Twitter and LinkedIn
    Julia DeWahl on Twitter and LinkedIn

    Timestamps:
    (00:00) The best way to create the future is to invent it
    (07:55) What can you do today?
    (16:09) Josh Wolfe on a future of abundance
    (18:29) Casey Handmer on a future of abundance
    (20:49) Angelica Oung on a future of abundance
    (23:22) Alex Epstein on a future of abundance
    (29:42) Final recap

    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Credits: Nancy Xu produced this season of Age of Miracles. Audio editor: Justin Golden. Video editor: Nancy Xu. Executive producers: Amelia Salyers, Packy McCormick, and Erik Torenberg. 

    • 37 min
    Fusion Founders

    Fusion Founders

    In the bizarro relay marathon that is the fusion race, the baton is firmly in the hands of the startups. The outcome, to be sure, is still uncertain, but the question isn’t whether humanity will achieve commercial fusion, but which companies will, with which approaches, when?
    Fusion, many believe, will be one of humanity’s greatest triumphs: we will be able to generate energy in the same way that stars do, right on earth. And in this episode, Packy and Julia talk to some of the people who are most likely to make it happen.
    They'll answer the question of “Why now?” for fusion, and for startups in particular, dive into their business models and the economics of a fusion plant, and discuss what a rollout of fusion across the globe might look like.

    Thank you to this episode’s guests: David Kirtley, Sehila Gonzalez, Clay Dumas, JC Btaiche, Francesco Sciortino, Clea Kolster, Ryan Umstattd, Derek Sutherland, and Ian Hogarth.

    Huge thank you to our sponsors:
    Range Fund Holdings: Tired of volatile markets and unreliable energies? Look no further than the Range Nuclear Renaissance ETF, your gateway to the clean, safe, and ever-expanding world of nuclear power. Visit https://www.rangeetfs.com or contact your financial advisor to learn more about the Range Nuclear Renaissance ETF and start investing in the future of energy.
    Secureframe: the only compliance automation platform with AI capabilities that help customers speed up cloud remediation and security questionnaires. Get 10% off your first year of Secureframe: https://secureframe.com/packy
    Pilot.com: accounting, CFO, and tax services that are designed with flexibility and scalability in mind. To get 20% off your accounting bill for the first 6 months, go to https://pilot.com/packy
    Tegus: combine fragmented workflows under one roof and compete on your ability to analyze companies — not on how well you aggregate data. Learn more and start your free trial at tegus.com/miracles
    Clean Air Task Force: CATF is one of the few NGO's in the world paving the way toward the global demonstration and establishment of a fusion energy industry this decade. They are undertaking and commissioning fusion energy market studies, technology readiness assessments, and regulatory analysis, emphasizing areas for international collaboration. As an objective and independent resource for stakeholders in the fusion sector, CATF is working to raise awareness and accelerate the potential for fusion energy. Learn more and support their efforts at: https://www.catf.us/fusion-energy/

    For the full list of resources referenced in this show: https://ageofmiracles.co/ 

    Subscribe to Not Boring to get weekly doses of tech and business strategy, straight to your inbox: https://www.notboring.co/

    Follow our hosts:
    Packy McCormick on Twitter and LinkedIn
    Julia DeWahl on Twitter and LinkedIn

    Timestamps:
    (00:00) The fusion race
    (04:54) Why now? What changed?
    (10:28) Commonwealth
    (13:21) Fuse Energy
    (23:35) Proxima Fusion
    (31:10) Zap Energy
    (39:09) Helion Energy
    (52:30) The unit economics of a fusion plant
    (1:01:24) Fusion commercial rollout
    (1:05:03) Recap

    This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

    Credits: Nancy Xu produced this season of Age of Miracles. Audio editor: Justin Golden. Video editor: Nancy Xu. Executive producers: Amelia Salyers, Packy McCormick, and Erik Torenberg. 

    • 1 hr 15 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
91 Ratings

91 Ratings

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Fantastic content

Must listen!

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Fascinating

A uplifting perspective on energy and innovation. Enjoying the history, physics and positive outlook for the future.

Natalie Mor ,

Terrific dose of techno-optimism

Great work! This is wonderfully listenable and a beautiful start to such a complex topic.

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