45 episodes

Building a space for honest, subversive Christian conversations on sexuality, ethnicity, and what it means to live in community.

Communion & Shalom David Frank & TJ Espinoza

    • Religion & Spirituality
    • 5.0 • 8 Ratings

Building a space for honest, subversive Christian conversations on sexuality, ethnicity, and what it means to live in community.

    #41 - Unexpected Shifts: Josh’s Story of Prayer, Healing, and Attraction

    #41 - Unexpected Shifts: Josh’s Story of Prayer, Healing, and Attraction

    David’s friend Josh had a pretty radical experience of “healing”…

    Supernatural healing is always a complex topic, and with sexual attraction this continues to prove true. Does orientation change? Should we pray for it to change? Josh used to experience same-sex sexual attraction, and through some unusual events, he is also increasingly attracted to women. We offer his story as a provoking thought piece as we try to make sense of how God may work in each of our lives.

    Note: This episode briefly includes content suitable for adult audiences; listener discretion is advised.

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    Timestamps

    (1:22) "An overwhelmingly positive church upbringing”

    (10:33) God makes a ... joke

    (18:42) Experiencing (bi?) attraction after healing

    (29:13) I don't prescribe theology, but don't write off healing

    (43:41) Has progressive theology ever been persuasive to you?

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    Links and References

    Something They Will Not Forget by Joshua Gibbs

    “A History of Romance in the West—Part 2 with Kathryn Mogk Wagner” - episode #19, published 12/8/2022

    Note: This episode uses the terms “Side A” and “Side B” (and X, Y) as shorthand quite a bit. If you’re new to the conversation, you might find it helpful to check out Communion & Shalom episode #3, where we talk through the four “sides”: ⁠#3 - A-B-Y-X | 4 Sides on SSA/Gay Sexuality⁠

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    If you like this podcast, please consider…

    → Sharing feedback or questions! www.podpage.com/communion-shalom/contact

    → Supporting us on Patreon! patreon.com/communionandshalom

    → Following us on Instagram! @communionandshalom



    Credits

    Creators and Hosts: David Frank, TJ Espinoza

    Audio Engineer: Carl Swenson (www.carlswensonmusic.com)

    Voice Actor (Josh overdub): Carl Swenson

    Podcast Manager: Elena

    • 54 min
    #40 - 3 Friends’ Journeys | Advocating for Christian LGBTQ Conversations

    #40 - 3 Friends’ Journeys | Advocating for Christian LGBTQ Conversations

    Schelli Cronk, Becky Hestness, and Kim Klayum work together at Transform MN, equipping Christian leaders across Minnesota to engage complex issues from a biblical perspective. They are also good friends who have personally and professionally been challenged over time to grow their love and care for LGBTQ friends and family. We are inspired by their deep convictions and equally deep support for LGBTQ folks. We got to hear a bit of their stories and how God’s been working through them in their communities.

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    Timestamps

    (01:17) Introducing Transform MN

    (06:36) Personally/professionally, how do you arrive at this conversation?

    (26:29) Being good allies, good friends

    (37:29) Sharing truth, grace, and applying it equitably

    (44:27) Encouragement and caution: be in relationship with people

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    Links and References

    Transform MN: https://transformmn.org/

    Grace/Truth videos from the Center for Faith, Gender, and Sexuality (Preston Sprinkle): https://ondemand.centerforfaith.com/courses/grace-truth

    Revoice conference: https://www.revoice.org/

    Laurie Krieg: https://lauriekrieg.com/

    TJ’s episode on covenant brotherhood: https://www.podpage.com/communion-shalom/on-covenant-brotherhood-with-special-reference-to-tjs-covenant/



    This episode uses the terms “Side A” and “Side B” (and X, Y) as shorthand quite a bit. If you’re new to the conversation, you might find it helpful to check out Communion & Shalom episode #3, where we talk through the four “sides”: ⁠#3 - A-B-Y-X | 4 Sides on SSA/Gay Sexuality⁠

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    If you like this podcast, please consider…

    →Sharing feedback or questions! www.podpage.com/communion-shalom/contact

    →Supporting us on Patreon! patreon.com/communionandshalom

    →Following us on Instagram! @communionandshalom



    Credits

    Creators and Hosts: David Frank, TJ Espinoza

    Audio Engineer: Carl Swenson (www.carlswensonmusic.com)

    Podcast Manager: Elena

    • 50 min
    #39 - Building Households and Communities Together: A Workshop with David and Elena (Recorded Live at Revoice 2023)

    #39 - Building Households and Communities Together: A Workshop with David and Elena (Recorded Live at Revoice 2023)

    David Frank (you know him) and Elena (podcast manager) gave a workshop talk at Revoice 2023. It was pretty great, and also, predictably, hit-or-miss with sound quality. Enjoy!

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    Links and References

    The Life We’re Looking For: Reclaiming Relationship in a Technological World by Andy Crouch (publisher’s link)

    Our workshop presentation: [Link to Google presentation]

    Our worksheet and resources handout: [Link to Google doc]

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    If you like this podcast, please consider…

    →Sharing feedback or questions! www.podpage.com/communion-shalom/contact

    →Supporting us on Patreon! patreon.com/communionandshalom

    →Following us on Instagram! @communionandshalom



    Credits

    Creators and Hosts: David Frank, TJ Espinoza

    Audio Engineer: Carl Swenson (www.carlswensonmusic.com)

    Podcast Manager: Elena

    • 51 min
    #38 - Economics for Local Community with Joseph Pierce: Why Small Is Still Beautiful

    #38 - Economics for Local Community with Joseph Pierce: Why Small Is Still Beautiful

    Joseph Pearce’s book Small Is Still Beautiful is a compelling spotlight on the "well-kept secret" of economist E. F. Schumacher. David Frank and Brendan Johnson (from episode 30) talked with Joseph about small localism versus globalism, cooperatives and sharing versus capitalist individualism, and the like. Join us for a delightful conversation around the commons, community, and collaborative flourishing.

    About Our Guest

    A native of England, Joseph Pearce is the internationally acclaimed author of many books, which include bestsellers such as The Quest for Shakespeare, Tolkien: Man and Myth, The Unmasking of Oscar Wilde, C. S. Lewis and The Catholic Church, Literary Converts, Wisdom and Innocence: A Life of G.K. Chesterton, Solzhenitsyn: A Soul in Exile and Old Thunder: A Life of Hilaire Belloc. He is an author, publisher, editor, lecturer, and professor. His personal website is www.jpearce.co.

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    Timestamps

    (0:26) Introducing Joseph Pearce

    (2:51) Encountering E. F. Schumacher's Small Is Beautiful

    (5:38) Modern economics that don't lead to flourishing

    (7:45) Distributing wealth, local solidarity

    (15:13) Mondragon Corporation: Solidarity in practice

    (18:03) The world since 20 years ago: what's changed?

    (22:01) Advice for voting with your dollars

    (27:45) Is there a risk in things being too small?

    (32:47) Reading recommendations

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    Links and References

    Small Is Still Beautiful: Economics as if Families Mattered by Joseph Pearce (2006)- link to publisher

    Joseph Pearce - Facebook, Instagram

    Small Is Beautiful: Economics as if People Mattered by E. F. Schumacher (1973) - link to publisher

    Thomas Storck

    Wilhelm Röpke

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    If you like this podcast, please consider…

    →Sharing feedback or questions! www.podpage.com/communion-shalom/contact

    →Supporting us on Patreon! patreon.com/communionandshalom

    →Following us on Instagram! @communionandshalom



    Credits

    Creators and Hosts: David Frank, TJ Espinoza

    Audio Engineer: Carl Swenson (www.carlswensonmusic.com)

    Podcast Manager: Elena

    • 36 min
    #37 - Judge Daniel Quinan: The Telos of Sex and (Catholic) Marriage

    #37 - Judge Daniel Quinan: The Telos of Sex and (Catholic) Marriage

    Catholic canon lawyer Daniel Quinan works for the Catholic church, not the state legal system, reviewing marriage annullment cases for the Catholic Archdiocese. If you’re Catholic, maybe you’re familiar with this system. If you’re not, it may be totally new to you. We wanted to hear from Daniel on how Catholic understandings of justice, catechism, and canon law directly impact treatment of those in the church who are LGBT/queer/same-sex attracted. David and TJ talk with Daniel about marriage, procreation, contraception, sexual intercourse, and a bunch of other topics that are legal and technical and somehow still might make your grandmother blush. (Although… we don’t know your grandmother. Maybe she’d be fine.)

    Join us for our brief educational tour!

    About Our Guest:

    Daniel Quinan is a canon lawyer (JCL) currently working for the Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis. His public writing on LGBTQ Catholic matters is currently published on the Spiritual Friendship blog, and also in a number of canon law Advisory Opinions (available on Academia.edu). You can find him more informally on most social media platforms @masterjedi747, which is his old AIM screen name, a fact that stands as a testimony to his millennial nerd credentials.

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    Timestamps

    (0:00:26) Daniel's background: Catholic, canon lawyer, side B

    (0:10:16) What is canon law?

    (0:20:39) The Catholic tradition on same-sex attraction or orientation

    (0:30:21) What is sex for?

    (0:40:23) Contraception and the meaning of marriage

    (0:44:31) Why can some people marry but not others (in the Catholic church)?

    (0:53:24) "Disordered" in the Catholic catechism

    (1:16:45) Celibate partnerships/chaste same sex unions in Catholic tradition and law

    (1:25:12) Perspectives on Father James Martin

    (1:28:20) A vision for queer people in the Catholic church

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    If you like this podcast, please consider…

    → Sharing feedback or questions! www.podpage.com/communion-shalom/contact

    → Supporting us on Patreon! patreon.com/communionandshalom

    → Following us on Instagram! @communionandshalom



    Credits

    Creators and Hosts: David Frank, TJ Espinoza

    Audio Engineer: Carl Swenson (www.carlswensonmusic.com)

    Podcast Manager: Elena

    • 1 hr 32 min
    BONUS: Linden Hope's Songs for the Bees (Debut Album)

    BONUS: Linden Hope's Songs for the Bees (Debut Album)

    Linden Hope's debut album comes from her collection of songs processing through her own journey of faith and sexuality. Please contribute love to the "Bees" by supporting her kickstarter by November 21st.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lindseyhope/songs-for-the-bees-a-gay-womans-journey-of-faith

    *The "Bees" is a term of affection for the Side B community, LGBTQ/SSA followers of Jesus who pick up their cross and follow him in a traditional Christian sexual ethic through the difficult terrain of their sexualities.

    Additional Link:
    Switchfoot Has Never Let You Down - Common Good (https://commongoodmag.com/switchfoot-has-never-let-you-down/)



    (00:00) Intro song "Chosen" by Linden Hope
    (16:32) Song preview of "Wild" by Linden Hope
    (18:54) Kickstarter Description - ends 11/21

    • 19 min

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