15 episodes

The show that's all about two basic questions:
1) What leads to a good death? - and
2) What does that tell us about how to live a good life?

Hosts Andrew Chirch, David Greenson, and Jessica Shine bring their different perspectives to an exploration of death and life. Funny, bittersweet, sad, and sometimes amazing.

Done For Andrew Chirch, David Greenson, Jessica Shine

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The show that's all about two basic questions:
1) What leads to a good death? - and
2) What does that tell us about how to live a good life?

Hosts Andrew Chirch, David Greenson, and Jessica Shine bring their different perspectives to an exploration of death and life. Funny, bittersweet, sad, and sometimes amazing.

    Don't Wait!

    Don't Wait!

    WE’RE BACK for SEASON TWO…. IT’S DONE FOR!

    EPISODE 1:

    This season, we've selected the book The Five Invitations by Frank Ostaseski.

    We jump right into episode 1 with the first Invitation: Don’t Wait.

    We’ll continue to circle back to our foundational questions: 1) What leads to a good death? and 2) What does that tell us about how to live a good life? Listen in as we continue the conversation, and tell us how you’re answering these questions.

    If you like this, tell someone! Please help us out by sharing it and spreading the conversation.

    RESOURCES:
    The Five Invitations (Flatiron Books, 2017) by Frank Ostaseski.

    Frank Ostaseski is an internationally respected Buddhist teacher and visionary cofounder of the Zen Hospice Project, and founder of the Metta Institute. He has lectured at Harvard Medical School, the Mayo Clinic, Wisdom.2.0 and teaches at major spiritual centers around the globe. Frank is the 2018 recipient of the prestigious Humanities Award from the American Academy of Hospice and Palliative Medicine.

    Frank's groundbreaking work has been featured on the Bill Moyers PBS series On Our Own Terms, highlighted on The Oprah Winfrey Show, and honored by H.H. the Dalai Lama. He is the author of The Five Invitations: Discovering What Death Can Teach Us About Living Fully.

    The Chaplaincy Institute in Berkeley, CA is where the 3 of us met and began to share our stories. The Chaplaincy Institute is an Interfaith Community and Seminary that strives to create a just world that honors the sacred connection of all. Find out more at www.chaplaincyinstitute.org.

    “Churchianity” was actually a term Jessica first learned from the Rev. Dr Megan Wagner.

    ProgressiveChristianity.org is a global resource of open, intelligent, and collaborative approaches to the Christian tradition and the life and teachings of Jesus that creates a pathway into an authentic and relevant religious experience.

    Shower the People, James Taylor (June 1976)
    It turns out Jessica is way better at this than even she thought! Well, with the exception of re-writing this James Taylor classic with new words.

    Fundamentalism: despite the first three letters indicating an emphasis on ‘fun’, fundamentalism in many forms (religious and non-religious) can be damaging. We hope if you’ve experienced that kind of trauma, that you will share your story and continue to listen.

    Book Club Questions:
    One of our dear listeners (and Jessica’s BFF) wrote a guide for this season. Find it here: (link to pdf attached)

    Also, it turns out Frank has developed a guide that can be found at: fiveinvitations.com/book-club

    Atlas: The Atlas personality, drawing on the myth of the giant Atlas from Greek mythology upholding the world, is someone obliged to take on adult responsibilities prematurely. They are thus liable to develop a pattern of compulsive caregiving in later life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_personality

    Female Playwrights: yeah, there are a lot of these David. Take your pick… an ditch the white dudes. Annie Baker, Lisa D’Amour, Sarah DeLappe, Margaret Edson, Liz Flahive, Amy Freed, Madeleine George, Rebecca Gilman, Gina Gionfriddo, DW Gregory, Danai Gurira, Leslye Headland, Amy Herzog, Quiara Alegria Hudes, Lucy Kirkwood, Young Jean Lee, Jennifer Maisel, Martyna Majok, Lynn Nottage, Antoinette Nwandu, Suzan-Lori Parks, Theresa Rebeck, Yasmina Reza, Sarah Ruhl, Laura Shamas, Lisa B Thompson, Lucy Thurber, Joyce VanDyke, Paula Vogel, Anne Washburn.
    Thanks to theatrenerds.com

    Anne Lammott first used the phrase “shitty first drafts” in her book Bird by Bird (1995) to emphasize why perfectionism can kill creativity.

    Learn more about Andrew Chirch, David Greenson, and Jessica Shine at DoneForPodcast.com

    • 30 min
    Welcome Everything, Push Away Nothing

    Welcome Everything, Push Away Nothing

    SHOW NOTES:

    This week we continue into the 2nd of Frank’s Invitations, Welcome Everything, Push Away Nothing. In this episode we continue sharing our personal experiences around each invitation, as well as challenging the application.

    Our conversation returns to two basic questions: 1) What leads to a good death? and 2) What does that tell us about how to live a good life? Listen in. Leave us a voicemail with your own thoughts. We may share on a future episode.

    RESOURCES:

    Ostaseski, Frank, The Five Invitations (Flatiron Books, 2017). Frank Ostaseski is an internationally respected Buddhist teacher and visionary cofounder of the Zen Hospice Project, and founder of the Metta Institute. He has lectured at Harvard Medical School, the Mayo Clinic, Wisdom.2.0 and teaches at major spiritual centers around the globe. Frank is the 2018 recipient of the prestigious Humanities Award from the American Academy of Hospice and Palliative Medicine.

    What is Zen? A Japanese school of Buddhism that emphasizes meditation and intuition.

    Suicide Hotline We can all help prevent suicide. The Lifeline provides 24/7, free and confidential support for people in distress, prevention and crisis resources for you or your loved ones, and best practices for professionals. 1-800-273-8255

    Substance Abuse SAMHSA’s National Helpline is a free, confidential, 24/7, 365-day-a-year treatment referral and information service (in English and Spanish) for individuals and families facing mental and/or substance use disorders. 1800-662-HELP.

    Let It Go, Idina Menzel, from Andy’s favorite film: Frozen (2013)

    Toxic Masculinity is what David hints at when he talks about the pressures men often feel in our current societal norms. Wikipedia says “The concept of toxic masculinity refers to certain cultural norms that are associated with harm to society and to men themselves. Traditional stereotypes of men as socially dominant, along with related traits such as misogyny and homophobia, can be considered "toxic" due in part to their promotion of violence, including sexual assault and domestic violence. The socialization of boys often normalizes violence, such as in the saying "boys will be boys" with regard to bullying and aggression.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity

    White fragility and oppression are described in this great resource:

    Robin DiAngelo, White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism (Beacon Press, 2018).

    The Princess Bride. Directed by Rob Reiner.  20th Century Fox, 1999.

    The Impressive Clergyman: Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togeder today. Mawage, that bwessed awangment, that dweam wifin a dweam ... And wuv, tru wuv, will fowow you foweva ... So tweasure your wuv.

    Olympic Judges: this is a surprisingly challenging occupation, our apologies to the Russian judges. https://www.bustle.com/p/how-do-you-become-olympic-judge-its-a-lot-of-work-8147511

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    • 26 min
    Bring Your Whole Self to the Experience

    Bring Your Whole Self to the Experience

    SHOW NOTES:
    This week we continue into the 3rd of Frank’s Invitations, Bring Your Whole Self to the Experience. In this episode we continue sharing our personal experiences around each invitation, as well as challenging the application.
    Our conversation returns to two basic questions: 1) What leads to a good death? and 2) What does that tell us about how to live a good life? 
    Leave us a voicemail with your own thoughts. We may share on a future episode.
     
    RESOURCES:
    Ostaseski, Frank, The Five Invitations (Flatiron Books, 2017). Frank Ostaseski is an internationally respected Buddhist teacher and visionary cofounder of the Zen Hospice Project, and founder of the Metta Institute. He has lectured at Harvard Medical School, the Mayo Clinic, Wisdom.2.0 and teaches at major spiritual centers around the globe. Frank is the 2018 recipient of the prestigious Humanities Award from the American Academy of Hospice and Palliative Medicine.
    Therapy. If you’re wrestling with your sexuality, or how to love your self, or whether God can love you, please find a good therapist. The root (of the word therapy) in the Greek actually means to create space where there is healing or relief. HINT: if your ‘counselor’ is trying to fix you or feels like they’re trying to convert you…. RUN. Seriously.
     
    Need an Interfaith Chaplain? You can find a few of our favorites by clicking on the Providers tab at www.chaplaincyinstitute.org.
     
    Learn more about Andrew Chirch, David Greenson, and Jessica Shine (hyperlink to either the DF website or various sites for our names?) DoneForPodcast.com
     

    • 22 min
    Find a Place of Rest in the Middle of Things

    Find a Place of Rest in the Middle of Things

    SHOW NOTES:
    This week we continue into the 4th of Frank’s Invitations, Find a Place of Rest in the Middle of Things. In this episode we continue sharing our personal experiences around each invitation, as well as challenging the application.
    Our conversation returns to two basic questions: 1) what leads to a good death? and 2) what leads to a good life? Listen in!
     
    RESOURCES:
    Ostaseski, Frank, The Five Invitations (Flatiron Books, 2017). Frank Ostaseski is an internationally respected Buddhist teacher and visionary cofounder of the Zen Hospice Project, and founder of the Metta Institute. He has lectured at Harvard Medical School, the Mayo Clinic, Wisdom.2.0 and teaches at major spiritual centers around the globe. Frank is the 2018 recipient of the prestigious Humanities Award from the American Academy of Hospice and Palliative Medicine.
     
    Dr. Angeles Arrien (1940-2014) was a Basque-American teacher, speaker, anthropologist and writer. She is best known for her book The Four-Fold Way: Walking the Paths of the Warrior, Healer, Teacher and Visionary. You can read more about her here: http://www.angelesarrien.com/ 
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angeles_Arrien
     
    The Sacrament of the Sick (or the Anointing of the Sick, formerly known as Last Rites) is a Catholic practice. You can read more about it here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anointing_of_the_Sick_in_the_Catholic_Church
     
    Step down units provide an intermediate level of hospital care between the intensive care units and general medical-surgical wards.
     
    Mala Beads (also known as prayer beads in Buddhism and Hinduism) are a tool used alongside the recitation of a mantra or other forms of meditation. You can read more about them here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_prayer_beads
     
    The first and second chapters of the Jewish creation story can be found here: https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8166/jewish/Chapter-1.htm
    For a great conversation about how to balance self-care and activism, see this interview with Parker Palmer and Courtney Martin on On Being: https://onbeing.org/programs/parker-palmer-courtney-martin-the-inner-life-of-rebellion/

    Learn more about Andrew Chirch, David Greenson, and Jessica Shine at DoneForPodcast.com

    • 29 min
    Cultivate "Don't Know" Mind

    Cultivate "Don't Know" Mind

    This week we continue into the 5th of Frank’s Invitations, Cultivate Don’t Know Mind. In this episode we continue sharing our personal experiences around each invitation, as well as challenging the application.
    Our conversation returns to two basic questions: 1) what leads to a good death? and 2) what leads to a good life? Listen in!
     
    RESOURCES:
    Ostaseski, Frank, The Five Invitations (Flatiron Books, 2017). Frank Ostaseski is an internationally respected Buddhist teacher and visionary cofounder of the Zen Hospice Project, and founder of the Metta Institute. He has lectured at Harvard Medical School, the Mayo Clinic, Wisdom.2.0 and teaches at major spiritual centers around the globe. Frank is the 2018 recipient of the prestigious Humanities Award from the American Academy of Hospice and Palliative Medicine.
     
    Zen koans are stories or sayings that are used as meditation prompts. Read more about them here: https://www.britannica.com/topic/koan.
     
    If you or someone you love is grappling with dementia, know that you don’t have to deal with it alone. You can find resources here: https://www.dementiacarecentral.com/caregiverinfo/careforcaregivers/support/.
     
    You can find Frank’s great book club discussion guide on his website at https://fiveinvitations.com/book-club/.
     
    Venn diagrams are ways of showing the overlap of different phenomena. You can read more about them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram.
     
    Brain plasticity refers to the brain’s ability to adapt and change over the course of our lifetime. You can read more about it here: https://www.brainhq.com/brain-resources/brain-plasticity/what-is-brain-plasticity/
     
    Gumby is the clay-mation creation of Art Clokey. You can read about him here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumby.
     
    Plastic Man is a character in the DC comics universe who can stretch and extend his body. You can read about him here: https://www.dccomics.com/characters/plastic-man.

    Learn more about Andrew Chirch, David Greenson, and Jessica Shine at DoneForPodcast.com

    • 35 min
    An Introduction

    An Introduction

    This episode, meet the hosts and get an idea what this podcast is all about. Just as important, find out what it isn't.
    We start our journey with two basic questions: 1) what leads to a good death? and 2) what leads to a good life? Listen in as we discuss our starting position, and, and tell us how you’d answer these questions.
    Here are a few disclaimers as we start this podcast: we aren’t experts, we haven’t died, we speak in cursory… meaning there is some swearing. If you’re down for that kind of a good time, subscribe and share our podcast!
    RESOURCES:
    Kübler-Ross, Dr. Elisabeth, On Death and Dying: What the Dying Have to Teach Doctors, Nurses, Clergy and Their Own Families (New York: Scribner, 1969). Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, MD, [1926–2004] was a Swiss-born psychiatrist, humanitarian, and co-founder of the hospice movement around the world. Elisabeth authored twenty-four books in thirty-six languages and brought comfort to millions of people coping with their own deaths or the death of a loved one. Her greatest professional legacy includes teaching the practice of humane care for the dying and the importance of sharing unconditional love. Her work continues by the efforts of hundreds of organizations around the world, including The Elisabeth Kübler-Ross Foundation: EKRFoundation.org.
     
    The Chaplaincy Institutein Berkeley, CA is where the 3 of us met and began to share our stories. The Chaplaincy Institute is an Interfaith Community and Seminary that strives to create a just world that honors the sacred connection of all. Find out more at www.chaplaincyinstitute.org.
    Titanic (1997,Paramount Pictures& 20th Century Fox) is the unfortunate example we use to illustrate how not to die. Our apologies if you’re a fan. And also, our condolences.
     
    Japanese vending machines- these things are real. https://kotaku.com/the-world-of-japanese-vending-machines-5988536
    And also, why do we not have these in America?
     
    Learn more about Andrew Chirch, David Greenson, and Jessica Shine 
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    • 21 min

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Comments

I find myself listening to the episodes multiple times. The topic is rich and meaningful, the presentation thoughtful, provocative and fun. Thanks for helping me dive in with grace and humor. Can’t wait until next season.❤️

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Done For

I am loving this podcast! Death is not talked about nearly enough in our culture. I appreciate that you cover this topic with vulnerability, compassion, humor, and intelligence. Thank you for bringing this conversation to the table. <3

jpw2 ,

Death need to be talked about

This is a very important subject and I’m looking forward to talking about this.

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