53 episodes

Marketing and business strategy podcast for executives and marketing leaders who want to improve outcomes from marketing.
Marketing veterans Devin Bramhall (Animalz, Help Scout) & Margaret Kelsey (InVision, OpenView) use their combined 20+ years of experience to increase the business impact of marketing by creating shared understanding of its purpose and outcomes among marketing leaders, founders/CEOs & others in the C-suite.
Join us for in-depth conversations about B2B marketing behind the scenes:How to run effective marketing teamsHiring best-in-class marketing teamsMarketing strategy: Product-led Growth (PLG), Community marketing, Influencer marketing, micro influencersTrends in B2B marketing: AI, TikTok, YouTube, LinkedIn, social platforms, email, and moreCreated in partnership with Share Your Genius
An award-winning B2B podcast production company: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

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Marketing and business strategy podcast for executives and marketing leaders who want to improve outcomes from marketing.
Marketing veterans Devin Bramhall (Animalz, Help Scout) & Margaret Kelsey (InVision, OpenView) use their combined 20+ years of experience to increase the business impact of marketing by creating shared understanding of its purpose and outcomes among marketing leaders, founders/CEOs & others in the C-suite.
Join us for in-depth conversations about B2B marketing behind the scenes:How to run effective marketing teamsHiring best-in-class marketing teamsMarketing strategy: Product-led Growth (PLG), Community marketing, Influencer marketing, micro influencersTrends in B2B marketing: AI, TikTok, YouTube, LinkedIn, social platforms, email, and moreCreated in partnership with Share Your Genius
An award-winning B2B podcast production company: https://www.shareyourgenius.com/

    Senior Marketers Gather & Pretend Everything is OK

    Senior Marketers Gather & Pretend Everything is OK

    We had just recorded an episode about CMOs being anxious when Devin attended AudienePlus’s Golden Hour conference, where the IRL of stressed-out and disillusioned marketers was not only the prevailing topic but also the mood of attendees. This one-day event was a cathartic gathering of senior marketers eager to get their feelings out (then drink them away) amidst the golden strangeness of fake paparazzi, Lindsey Sterling’s eating disorder, and a decadent setting that didn’t quite convince any of us that everything is going to be OK—but did show us that we’re not alone. And that felt pretty good. 

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    • 24 min
    CRO & the Future of Marketing Strategy (with Ned MacPherson)

    CRO & the Future of Marketing Strategy (with Ned MacPherson)

    Experimentation is the Queen of Marketing Strategy these days as Martech continues to evolve, GenAI content becomes the new keyword stuffing and Google follows their hearts on SERPs in what seems like a midlife crisis-induced mushroom trip. No one knows what’s going to happen, so the best marketing strategy today involves testing & play to determine the best tactical mix for your business. Ned MacPherson, Chief Growth Officer of Power Digital is here this week to share what trends he’s noticing in CRO right now and his thoughts on the future of marketing strategy.Resources:
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    • 56 min
    Building Relationships is Free: Balancing Budget + Creativity in Marketing (with Rachel Elsts Downey)

    Building Relationships is Free: Balancing Budget + Creativity in Marketing (with Rachel Elsts Downey)

    Marketing is really just relationship-building at scale. But within that "scale" are activities that aren't 100% programmable. That's what a successful marketing mix looks like. But explaining that to stakeholders isn't always easy. As marketers we have to be both business strategists, human connectors and creatives. Today we're talking with Rachel Elsts Downey, founder/CEO of Share Your Genius, about the growth strategies available in tight economic climates and how no aspects of marketing are, in fact, dead.
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    • 57 min
    CMOs Are (Also) Anxious Right Now

    CMOs Are (Also) Anxious Right Now

    It’s 5 pm, do you know how your CMO is doing? You probably do, because they are anxiously wading through the same muck wondering how they are going to deliver consistent results while the foundation of their industry and macro environment are in tumult. 

    The average day of a CMO right involves trying to strategically plan growth when even demand gen playbooks aren’t functioning like they used to, buyers are taking longer at every stage of the journey, budgets are both reduced and less consistent QoQ, and no one wtf is going to happen with interest rates, search, AI, the election, wars, etc will impact their companies, campaigns, day-to-day lives. 

    So yeah, CMOs are feeling it, too, and we talked to a few for this episode as a kind of group hug and reminder: You’re not alone!

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    • 40 min
    What Should a Marketing Team Look Like NOW?

    What Should a Marketing Team Look Like NOW?

    What makes a marketing function successful today? 
    There are new trends and old playbooks, but what marketers do startups really need? And what about bigger companies? 

    We talk structure, success, and our big dreams for what it looks like in the future. 
    Join us as we chat through what types of marketers we see rising to the top now, and how marketing can best align and structure itself to grow into the future.

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    • 42 min
    Personal Branding: You’re (Still) Being Silly About It

    Personal Branding: You’re (Still) Being Silly About It

    We talked about it way back in season 1. Today, what we’re interested in is: What personal brand currently does for individuals, particularly in a world where there's waning trust among institutions and executives? 

    Personal branding is reputation. As tech moves faster, channels change more rapidly, you have to  harness your reputation. Yes, even if you’re B2B. Actually, ESPECIALLY if you’re B2B. 

    You have a personal brand, regardless if you’re activating it through social channels. Even if you don’t want to be an “influencer”, this episode is for you. 

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    • 40 min

Customer Reviews

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31 Ratings

31 Ratings

amcgovea ,

Do Say Yes!

I’m a huge fan of this podcast. Devin and Margaret share practical, honest and actionable tips for marketers and founders! I love their personalities too which make the show SO enjoyable. 10/10!

Tg210707 ,

10/10 Highly Recommended

Margaret and Devin are credible industry experts who offer fresh and insightful perspectives on how and why your business should utilize an intentional marketing strategy.

hanmi8 ,

Best b2b content marketing podcast out there

Love Devin and Margaret’s fresh takes on content marketing strategy and all else.

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