The Forest School Podcast Lewis Ames and Wem Southerden
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Wem Southerden & Lewis Ames have run Forest School and training centre Children of the Forest since 2017. The Forest School Podcast was born when they wondered if their daily wafflechats and reflections about pedagogy, play and nature connection might be of interest to others.
The podcast aims to inform and support educators, parents, outdoor and play practitioners and anyone interested in nature and the outdoors.
Through book reviews – interviews with experts, practitioners and authors – sharing our experience as educators and business owners – deep dives on fascinating topics –
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Ep 173: Renaturing School Playgrounds: The Challenges and Opportunities Engaging Children with Nature in Urban Areas with Nina Lovelace
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Summary
In this episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis Ames and Wem Sutherland discuss urban forest school with guest Nina Lovelace. They explore the challenges and opportunities of bringing nature and forest school principles to urban environments. Nina shares her experience of re-naturing school playgrounds and engaging children and families in nature connection. They also discuss the importance of relationships with nature-connected adults and the value of a holistic approach to education. In this conversation, Nina talks about her experience with urban forest school and the challenges and opportunities it presents. She discusses the importance of engaging children with the natural environment and how she encourages them to see the playground differently. Nina also addresses the issue of limited resources in urban areas and the need to be creative in providing nature-based experiences. She emphasizes the importance of building relationships with parents and staff to navigate the challenges of integrating forest school principles into a school setting. Nina also highlights the significance of considering microclimates and climate resilience in urban forest school projects.
Keywords
urban forest school, nature connection, re-naturing, school playgrounds, holistic education, urban forest school, engaging children, natural environment, playground, limited resources, creativity, relationships, parents, staff, microclimates, climate resilience
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
01:22 Defining Urban Forest School
05:35 Renaturing Urban Spaces: The William Patten School Project
08:37 Corporate Partnerships and Fundraising
12:08 Applying Skills from a Corporate Background
13:11 The Value of Urban Forest School in Education
18:05 Challenges and Insights of Designing Small Spaces
23:06 The Social Aspects of Forest School
31:35 Creating Nature-Rich Spaces in Urban Environments
36:43 Engaging Parents and Teachers in Urban Forest School Initiatives
40:41 Climate Resilience in Urban Forest School
45:31 The Value of Herbs and Native Plants in Urban Forest School
49:29 Storytelling and Learning in Urban Forest School -
Ep 172: Where do Retired Forest School Leaders Go? With Sara Knight and Jon Cree
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Summary
In this episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis, Wem, Sarah, and John discuss their experiences and career paths in the field of Forest School. They touch on topics such as retirement, the interdisciplinary nature of Forest School, the future of Forest School for adults, and the benefits of mixed-age play. The conversation highlights the importance of staying connected to nature and the community, as well as the need for continued engagement and learning in the field. The conversation explores the benefits and challenges of mixed-age leadership in forest school settings. It highlights the importance of community and the need for better communication and support among individuals. The guests discuss their personal experiences with mixed-age leadership and the value of diverse perspectives and skills. They also touch on the difficulties faced by forest school practitioners, such as the lack of funding and support from local authorities. The conversation concludes with a reflection on the evolving nature of forest school and the potential for its expansion into adult and community settings.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
12:14 The Interdisciplinary Nature of Forest School
35:13 Exploring the Benefits and Challenges of Mixed-Age Leadership
44:57 Expanding Forest School into Adult and Community Settings
Keywords
Forest School, education, nature connection, career paths, retirement, interdisciplinary, adults, mixed-age play, mixed-age leadership, benefits, challenges, community, communication, support, forest school practitioners, funding, local authorities, adult forest school, holistic approach -
Ep 171: Matrescence and Forest School with Lucy Jones
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Lucy Jones, author of the book Matressence, joins the Forest School Podcast to discuss the journey of becoming a mother and the lack of cultural representation and support for motherhood. Lucy shares her personal experience of feeling isolated and overwhelmed as a new mother and how the word 'matressence' provided a sense of validation. She explores the historical and cultural reasons behind the lack of focus on motherhood and childbirth in society. Lucy also discusses the importance of rituals and celebrations to honor and acknowledge the transformative experience of becoming a mother. The conversation explores the shame and stigma surrounding the challenges of becoming a parent, as well as the power of gathering and sharing stories. The guest emphasizes the importance of including dads and partners in the conversation and highlights the need for everyone to be part of the solution. They discuss the concept of matrescence and its ongoing impact throughout different stages of parenting. The guest also explains the inclusion of ecological vignettes in the book, which serve as metaphors and provide solace in the face of change and challenges.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
06:58 Exploring the Reasons Behind the Denial of the Maternal Experience
34:22 Breaking the Taboos: Addressing the Shame and Stigma of Parenthood
52:51 Nature as a Source of Grounding and Normalizing the Experience of Motherhood
59:44 Towards New Ways of Thinking and Storytelling: Prioritizing Care and the Natural World
Keywords
motherhood, childbirth, matressence, cultural representation, support, isolation, rituals, celebrations, parenting, shame, stigma, challenges, gathering, sharing stories, dads, partners, matrescence, stages of parenting, ecological vignettes, metaphors, solace -
Ep 170: Measuring a Springboard's Success
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Summary
In this episode of The Forest School Podcast, Lewis and Wem discuss the concept of springboards in forest school sessions. They explore the idea of springboards as intentional offerings or ideas that springboard a group into action. They discuss the importance of evaluating the effectiveness of springboards and how they can vary in terms of engagement and success. They also highlight the significance of creating a safe learning community where everyone's ideas and springboards are valued and respected. The conversation emphasizes the importance of modeling pro-social behavior and being open to trying new things. The conversation explores the concept of springboards in Forest School sessions and discusses various aspects related to their effectiveness and implementation. The hosts discuss the importance of flexibility and adaptability in springboards, as well as the impact of personal biases on defining successful springboards. They also touch on the role of engagement and the measurement of success in springboards. The conversation delves into the factors that influence the choice and design of springboards, such as the age of the learners, the ease of input, and the individual flavor or style of the practitioner. The hosts also discuss the balance between over-planning and being responsive to the group's needs, as well as the importance of being able to modify or end a springboard if it's not working. They highlight the uniqueness of each practitioner's approach and the impact it has on the overall forest school experience.
Takeaways
Springboards are intentional offerings or ideas that springboard a group into action in forest school sessions.
The effectiveness of springboards can vary in terms of engagement and success, and it's important to evaluate their impact.
Creating a safe learning community where everyone's ideas and springboards are valued and respected is crucial.
Modeling pro-social behavior and being open to trying new things can foster a positive learning environment.
Springboards can be adapted and personalized by individuals within the group, allowing for individual interests and comfort levels. Springboards in Forest School sessions should be flexible and adaptable to meet the needs and interests of the learners.
Engagement is a key factor in the success of a springboard, and it is important to consider the individual preferences and learning styles of the group.
The age of the learners and the specific site can influence the choice and design of springboards.
Practitioners should find a balance between over-planning and being responsive to the group's needs, and should be able to modify or end a springboard if necessary.
Each practitioner brings their own unique flavor or style to their springboards, which contributes to the overall forest school experience.
Chapters
00:00 Exploring the Concept of Springboards
16:25 Creating a Safe Learning Community
39:01 Ease of Input and Springboard Design
49:25 Finding the Balance: Over-Planning vs. Responsiveness
59:45 Unique Springboards for Unique Experiences -
Promoting Play in Schools: A Conversation with Michael Follett of Opal Outdoor Play and Learning
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Summary
Michael Follett discusses the importance of outdoor play and learning in schools and the need for a structured approach to play in the curriculum. He highlights the impact of COVID-19 on children's play and the detrimental effects of limiting playtime. The report emphasizes the intrinsic benefits of play and the need for training and support for playwork in schools. The role of forest school in promoting play and the importance of a broad definition of learning are also discussed. The conversation explores the use of unconventional resources in play, the design of play spaces, the importance of the journey between activity spots, the gender bias in school playgrounds, the imbalance in sports funding, the design of play spaces for social spaces and rest, the research on loose parts and the importance of social gatherings, the balance between safety and privacy in play spaces, and the future of play and the ambition for every child to have an awesome playtime.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
00:28 Overview of Outdoor Play and Learning
01:16 Michael's Experience in Playwork and Education
02:44 Structured School Improvement Approach
03:39 Importance of Play in Schools
04:01 The Role of Playworking and Forest School
04:40 The Plan for Play and its Purpose
05:15 Collaboration with All-Party Parliamentary Group
06:21 Impact of Ratios and Clothing on Playtime
07:19 Economical Benefits of Play in Schools
07:49 Importance of Training for Playwork in Schools
08:26 Perception of Risk and Rough and Tumble Play
09:10 Importance of Rough and Tumble Play
10:14 Children's Ability to Self-Regulate in Play
12:16 Impact of Clothing on Play
14:16 Changes in Modern Childhood and Play
15:11 The Need for Play in Various Settings
18:01 Impact of COVID-19 on Children's Play
19:19 The Detrimental Impact of COVID-19 on Play
20:18 The Importance of Play in Learning
21:13 Impact of Playtime on Behavior
22:07 The Role of Forest School in Promoting Play
23:03 The Importance of Play in Learning
24:13 The Role of Play in Child Development
25:28 The Range of Play in Schools
26:29 The Overlap of Playwork and Forest School
27:36 The Importance of Intrinsic Play
28:49 The Narrow Definition of Learning and Education
30:40 Using unconventional resources to facilitate play
35:05 Designing play spaces and the importance of the journey between activity spots
36:04 Creating excellence in primary school playtimes
37:26 Gender bias in school playgrounds
40:08 Addressing the imbalance in sports funding
42:21 Designing play spaces for social spaces and rest
44:29 Research on loose parts and the importance of social gatherings
46:00 Balancing safety and privacy in play spaces
48:03 Managing risk and the perception of risk in play environments
50:35 The future of play and the ambition for every child to have an awesome playtime -
Reggio and Forest School with Jessie Zhao
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Summary
Jesse Zhao discusses the blending of Reggio, and Forest School philosophies for early childhood education. She explains the differences between the Chinese and Canadian approaches to early years education. The Reggio approach is characterized by its guiding principles, including the image of the child, the 100 languages of the child, and the role of the teacher. The environment is considered the third teacher in Reggio, and it is prepared to provide opportunities for children to explore. The focus is on process over product, and education is seen as encompassing various aspects of learning and development. Collaborative partnerships with families and the wider community are also emphasized in Reggio-inspired education. In this conversation, Lewis and Jessie discuss the principles and practices of Reggio Emilia and Forest School approaches to education. They highlight the importance of reciprocal relationships and collaboration in creating a positive learning environment. They also explore the challenges of preparing children for formal education and the role of respect for the environment in both pedagogies. The conversation touches on the balance between intrinsic motivation and tidying up, as well as the challenges of implementing Forest School full-time. Jessie shares her experience setting up Tideview Nature School, a part-time Forest School program for children under five.
Takeaways
The Reggio approach to early childhood education is influenced by the image of the child, the 100 languages of the child, and the role of the teacher.
The environment is considered the third teacher in Reggio, and it is prepared to provide opportunities for children to explore.
Reggio emphasizes process over product, focusing on the learning and development that occurs throughout the journey.
Collaborative partnerships with families and the wider community are important in Reggio-inspired education. Reciprocal relationships and collaboration are key principles in both Reggio Emilia and Forest School approaches.
Creating a positive learning environment involves involving parents, educators, and the community.
Preparing children for formal education requires a balance between autonomy and structure.
Respect for the environment is emphasized in both pedagogies, with a focus on natural materials and sustainable practices.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
01:14 Overview of Reggio and Forest School
04:34 Reggio Approach: Guiding Principles
06:18 Importance of the Environment in Reggio
07:04 Preparing the Environment in Reggio
09:08 Provocations and Invitations in Reggio
11:22 Process over Product in Reggio
13:05 Education and Learning in Reggio
15:11 Regulating and Social-Emotional Development
21:51 Involving Families and the Community
22:56 The Importance of Reciprocal Relationships
24:09 Creating a Collaborative Learning Environment
25:09 Preparing Children for Formal Education
28:35 Respect for the Environment
30:17 Balancing Intrinsic Motivation and Tidying Up
36:36 Challenges of Implementing Forest School Full-Time
41:20 Setting Up Tideview Nature School
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