Food Safety Talk Don Schaffner and Ben Chapman

Don and Ben are joined by two special guests, Michelle Danyluk and an anonymous guest and frequent contributor, Deep State. Ben finally wins a "guess the special guest" game. The group spends most of their time on two big topics: deconstructing the Salmonella/cucumber outbreak/outbreaks and the complicated landscape of local and state jurisdictional regulations and enforcement.

In this bonus episode, Don and Ben record live at the Association of Food and Drug Officials 128th(!) Annual Educational Conference. The guys talk about the podcast on the podcast, Rush vs. Neil Young and food safety tattoos. They play a game of foods that an ER doctor wouldn't bring to the beach, do some ABCCDCFA+ and talk about TikTok videos posted by restaurant employees. They get into cucumber food safety, milkshake machines, microdosing chocolate bars and warm water bottles.

The show starts with the guys talking about other podcaster friends and their excitement around Canadian bands (including Rush). The guys talk about emojis posted as restaurant inspection grades and how cool that is. The discussion goes to Ben's study abroad trip to Greece and all of the cool food safety things he saw there (including the many cats of one taverna). They talk about avian influenza RNA in milk and meat and media stories related to the multiple outbreaks on poultry and dairy farms. They then do a bit of follow up on Deep New England finding something surprising in her chips as well as additional information on illnesses related to the municipal irrigation water mix-up in Lehi, Utah.

Don and Ben are joined by surprise guest Paul Breslin from Rutgers. Paul is a geneticist who works in the area of taste and when he heard that Don had a podcast he had to be on it. After Don plays his favorite, but Ben's least favorite game of "guess the guest," where Ben almost got there, they start in on food, food chemistry, genetics and evolution. The guys talk about the ubiquity of fermentation in human foods, cooking, why foods taste the way they do, the evolution of taste receptors. They also get into questions like what does eating pure DNA or RNA taste like. They talk about hot foods/spices, electronic noses for pathogens and spoilage and some other stuff.

The guys start the episode talking about their pets and get a bit into the world of productivity. Don tells Ben about watching Shogun and then they get into some feedback and talk about some of the interesting offers they get. They talk about pathogens on lettuce, how little we really know about morels and some pesticides on produce stuff. The guys then talk about a couple of listicles about food safety and other risks on cruises.

In this somewhat short episode the guys start talking about email addresses getting claimed away from Apple and their semi-hard outs.
The guys go on to play a game of twelve unexpected ways you can get food poisoning (and Don lost badly). Ben and Don talk about highly pathogenic avian influenza and its impacts on the food system/food safety. The episode ends on a deep dive into followup from a Risky or Not episode and probabilities of getting sick from eating a dish made with (at least) raw chicken everyday.