Ponderings from the Perch

Little Bird Marketing & C-Suite Radio

Conversations with Priscilla McKinney, founder and President of Little Bird Marketing, an award-winning agency specializing in content marketing, lead generation, branding and design. As a CEO and serial entrepreneur, Priscilla's topics range from marketing best practices, the "stunning discomfort" of entrepreneurship, market research, her love of the autoharp, and other marketing oddities.

  1. Building Influence with a B2B Content Marketing Agency Expert

    APR 24

    Building Influence with a B2B Content Marketing Agency Expert

    Most leaders mistake visibility for volume, and that confusion is costing them. On this episode of Ponderings from the Perch, the Little Bird Marketing podcast, host and CEO Priscilla McKinney sits down with Heather Kernahan, global CEO, founder, investor, and author of Unstuckable, to take on what strategic visibility actually demands from leaders who want to grow a business, not just a following. Kernahan brings 25 years of scaling businesses through transformation, as well as mergers and acquisitions. She currently leads The Content Bureau, a B2B content marketing agency whose clients include Google, Workday, and PayPal. Focusing on what your target audience actually needs is more critical than maintaining a full content calendar. Posting consistently, staying active, and keeping volume high means very little if the content is built around internal assumptions instead of real audience demand. The idea of moving away from generic and toward what’s actually true for people isn’t just a marketing principle. It’s a human one. "If you are out there talking generically to everyone," Kernahan explains. “Then you're not reaching anyone." Women in business are turning down stages, sitting on books, and waiting for the right moment that never quite arrives, and Kernahan is not interested in accepting that as a cultural constant. She has spent years working one-on-one to find the specific thought that stops each person and dismantle it, which means the hesitation is rarely about readiness and almost always about something else entirely. What that something is, and what it takes to move past it, is exactly what makes this worth listening to. Music written and performed by Leighton Cordell. Sponsors:Tired of generic marketing firms that don't get market research? Say hello to Little Bird Marketing, the revenue generation company of choice for the market research industry. Our "peeps" understand market research inside and out. We know your buyers, craft meaningful messages that move them to buy, understand the competitive landscape and where you fit in the market. We get the industry - from qual/quant to emerging technologies. Why settle for getting the job done when you can soar with marketing that drives real revenue? Click here to get started. Priscilla McKinney here! I am very excited to tell you about my book:  Collaboration is the New Competition: Why the Future of Work Rewards A Cross Pollinating Hive Mind and How Not to Get Left Behind The book's chapters are designed to be time-efficient, ensuring busy professionals can easily integrate these transformative ideas into their workflow. From discussing the state of affairs in business to providing fundamental strategies and seven practical anchors for staying on course, this book offers a fresh perspective and a competitive advantage in today's complex business landscape. Visit priscillamckinney.com for more information.

    30 min
  2. Quirks Chicago Flyover

    APR 17

    Quirks Chicago Flyover

    The conference floor doesn't lie. Neither does the gap between what brands think they know about their consumers and what's actually happening. On this episode of Ponderings from the Perch, the Little Bird Marketing podcast, host and CEO Priscilla McKinney hits the floor at Quirks Chicago to do what she does best: getting the real conversations going. This flyover captures the ideas, tensions, and candid moments that don't always make it into the keynotes, from the AI measurement gap hiding inside the consumer path to purchase, to what it actually means to do research with kids, to a major industry merger that changes the terrain for data quality and platform integration. One fault line keeps surfacing across every booth and every exchange. The industry has never had more tools to study human behavior. Yet somehow, the most important signals – emotional, linguistic, behavioral – keep slipping through. Brands confidently measure clicks and conversions while an entirely invisible layer of consumer decision-making unfolds inside the black box of AI interfaces. Language is research design, not a logistics detail, and the audiences that get left out of studies entirely (children, senior B2B decision-makers, multilingual consumers) represent a category of insight that standard methods simply cannot reach. The brands that get this right start with language. The ones that don't are making a persona development mistake with compounding consequences. "Language is left for an afterthought," Jill Kushner Bishop explains. "And when you do that, you run the risk of missing out on so many essential insights." The merger news, the platform demos, the GLP-1 shopper data, the agentic commerce conversation, none of it lands the same way once you've heard what's actually being said on the ground at Quirks Chicago. There are 11 voices in this episode, and every one of them is pointing at a version of the same problem from a different angle. Connect with the professionals featured in this episode and if you do, let them know Little Bird Marketing sent you their way: Hannibal Brooks at Olson Zaltman, Andrew Seinfeld at Bolt Insight, Jill Kushner Bishop of Multilingual Connections, Malina Simanowski at Brainsuite.ai, Genevieve Becker at Strella, Clemens Johnson at Dynata, Pete Maginnat Beano Brain, Tim Lawton at SightX, Bobbi Barkley at Listen Labs, Margie Strickland at Luth Research, and Anna O'Brien at Curion. Music written and performed by Leighton Cordell. Sponsors: Tired of generic marketing firms that don't get market research? Say hello to Little Bird Marketing, the revenue generation company of choice for the market research industry. Our "peeps" understand market research inside and out. We know your buyers, craft meaningful messages that move them to buy, understand the competitive landscape and where you fit in the market. We get the industry - from qual/quant to emerging technologies. Why settle for getting the job done when you can soar with marketing that drives real revenue? Click here to get started. Ever feel like your company is sitting on a goldmine of opportunities, but they keep slipping away? Most companies already have their next big win hiding in their database. Little Bird Marketing's Revenue Sprint is a proven system that works backward from your revenue goals to create a focused plan for building a sales pipeline and predictable growth. No massive budget required—just strategic execution that delivers measurable results. Ready to turn missed opportunities into new wins? Click here and build a predictable pipeline for sustainable growth.

    45 min
  3. The Leased Land Problem: Expert Advice on Audience Ownership

    APR 10

    The Leased Land Problem: Expert Advice on Audience Ownership

    Every social media platform you are building on is someone else's property. On this episode of Ponderings from the Perch, the Little Bird Marketing podcast, host and CEO Priscilla McKinney makes the case that most B2B brands have built their audience strategy on land they do not own, cannot control, and will never get back if the landlord decides to change the locks. With long sales cycles and real revenue on the line, the stakes of that misalignment are not theoretical. They are already showing up in the pipeline. Follower count feels like progress. It produces real dopamine, real momentum, and occasionally real numbers. But the platform collecting that audience has its own business model, and it has never once been aligned with yours. A brand can go viral, hit a million views, and walk away with nothing to show for it. The companies that weather algorithm shifts are not the ones who mastered the carousel or cracked the reel. They are the ones who got clear on what the right metric actually was. "Social engagement is not a business outcome," McKinney explains. "Conversions [and] revenue generation are." Borrowed attention and owned audience are not interchangeable, and the difference between them shows up exactly when it matters most. McKinney points to content distribution as the strategic through-line that most brands skip on their way to the next post. The reader who feels the gap between those two things already knows what to do next. Music written and performed by Leighton Cordell. Sponsors: Ever feel like your marketing plan is just... meh? You've got the pieces, but are they really working together? We often find that even when companies are doing the right things, they may not be doing them in the right order. The results are, well, no results. Curious how you can effectively evaluate your marketing efforts? Want clarity on your next best strategic move? Take our Marketing Assessment Quiz and in just minutes, discover exactly where you stand – and where you could be going. Click here and take the quiz today and don’t leave success to chance. Ever feel like your company is sitting on a goldmine of opportunities, but they keep slipping away? Most companies already have their next big win hiding in their database. Little Bird Marketing's Revenue Sprint is a proven system that works backward from your revenue goals to create a focused plan for building a sales pipeline and predictable growth. No massive budget required—just strategic execution that delivers measurable results. Ready to turn missed opportunities into new wins? Click here and build a predictable pipeline for sustainable growth.

    19 min
  4. The Mental Fitness Practice of a World Champion Freediver

    MAR 20

    The Mental Fitness Practice of a World Champion Freediver

    The gap between surviving and performing is not a mindset shift. It is a physiological one. On this episode of Ponderings from the Perch, the Little Bird Marketing podcast, host and CEO Priscilla McKinney sits down with Helena Bourdillon, four-time World Champion freediver and four-time World Record holder, whose path from the depths of depression to the depths of the ocean reframes what it actually means to perform under pressure. Bourdillon's work spans elite sport, clinical mental health recovery, and professional breathwork instruction, and what she brings to high-stakes sector audiences is not a wellness program. It is something far more comprehensive than that. Most organizations address stress at the surface. They offer flexibility perks, mental health days, and well-intentioned check-ins that treat symptoms while the root system goes untouched. But mental fitness is different from mental wellness. The architecture of the practice is built on science-backed tools that retrain the nervous system rather than soothe it. The distinction matters because leaders and teams that skip this foundation do not plateau. They erode. And no marketing performance metrics or customer insights dashboard will surface the real reason why. What freediving reveals is that the body and the mind must be in alignment, or performance becomes friction. Bourdillon speaks to a state she calls "quiet clarity," and what she says next is worth sitting with. "When we can do it from that place we are so much more present for ourselves," Bourdillon explains, "for what we're doing, so we actually get it done a lot faster and a lot better and more importantly we are there for the people around us, some who might really need us." The tools that produce quiet clarity are not complex. That is precisely what makes them easy to dismiss and costly to ignore. Bourdillon's five science-backed tools are the kind of thing a 15-year-old could learn and a seasoned executive has likely never tried. Watch her award-winning documentary Light Beams for Helena and connect with her at helenabourdillon.com. Music written and performed by Leighton Cordell. Sponsors: Priscilla McKinney is not just a CEO; she is also a LinkedIn Influencer. The reality is that very few people are using LinkedIn efficiently or effectively, and if you’re not careful, social media can become a black hole. When you emerge, you find you wound up in a place you never intended to go and you’re wondering where all the time went. Time is precious, and trying to be everything to everyone means becoming nothing to no one. That's why she's developed a transformative 12-week course that goes beyond basic tips and tricks – teaching you how to build a strategic network and create stellar content that cuts through the LinkedIn noise. Click here to learn more, and sign up for a spot in her social influence course today!

    33 min
  5. Stop Posting, Start Distributing

    MAR 13

    Stop Posting, Start Distributing

    *This episode of Ponderings from the Perch is brought to you by PatientSight, an agile primary research service providing timely medical insights of interest to your organization.* For most B2B companies, the problem is not creating content. The problem, instead, is distributing content. On this episode of Ponderings from the Perch, the Little Bird Marketing content marketing podcast, host and CEO Priscilla McKinney draws a hard line between two things that are not interchangeable and not even close to the same thing. B2B teams that have published well-researched, well-written, and genuinely useful content only to hear nothing back will recognize the gap most people are too uncomfortable to admit exists in their own organization. Posting and distributing are not the same thing, and the difference between them is not subtle. Most b2b digital marketing efforts are built backwards, and the real weight of a social media marketing strategy has very little to do with what gets published and everything to do with what happens next. Earning the right to ask before ever making an ask sounds like common sense until you look at how few teams actually operate that way. "Content creation is about 30% of the work and distribution is about 70%," McKinney explains. "And honestly, most people are doing it absolutely backwards." Good content and a good audience are not enough if the two never actually meet. That tension sits at the center of every B2B marketing conversation worth having, and it is the one that most teams keep deferring. The content is not the problem. The question is what happens to it after it exists. Music written and performed by Leighton Cordell. Sponsors: Ever feel like your marketing plan is just... meh? You've got the pieces, but are they really working together? We often find that even when companies are doing the right things, they may not be doing them in the right order. The results are, well, no results. Curious how you can effectively evaluate your marketing efforts? Want clarity on your next best strategic move? Take our Marketing Assessment Quiz and in just minutes, discover exactly where you stand – and where you could be going. Click here and take the quiz today and don’t leave success to chance. Ever feel like your company is sitting on a goldmine of opportunities, but they keep slipping away? Most companies already have their next big win hiding in their database. Little Bird Marketing's Revenue Sprint is a proven system that works backward from your revenue goals to create a focused plan for building a sales pipeline and predictable growth. No massive budget required—just strategic execution that delivers measurable results. Ready to turn missed opportunities into new wins? Click here and build a predictable pipeline for sustainable growth.

    29 min
  6. Deeper, Richer Customer Insights through Conversation

    MAR 6

    Deeper, Richer Customer Insights through Conversation

    The research industry has a data quality problem it keeps politely talking around. On this episode of Ponderings from the Perch, the Little Bird Marketing podcast, host and CEO Priscilla McKinney sits down with Matt Kleinschmit, founder and CEO of Reach3 Insights and part of the broader Rival Group family of companies. With nearly 30 years in the research industry, Matt brings a rare combination of entrepreneurial range and deep methodological conviction to a conversation about what the insights industry keeps getting wrong and why fixing it requires owning the problem from the ground up. Most quantitative research still runs through email. That single fact, unremarkable to many and alarming to few, sits at the center of a much larger tension between how research has always been done and how people actually live, communicate, and share. The gap between a clinical survey experience and a genuine human response is not a design preference. It is a data integrity issue. And in a world where customer insights drive high-stakes business decisions, the cost of that gap compounds quietly until it doesn't. Owning the human source data layer is not a common commitment in this industry right now. Aggregation is easier. Subcontracting is cheaper. And the downstream consequences of river sampling, bot contamination, and unvalidated respondents are someone else's problem until they aren't. "Leaning into the future, but not losing touch with the past," Kleinschmit explains. "[This] is the notion that a lot of the client researchers that we work with, [that] they want to be innovative. They want to bring new things into the organization, but they also have to have trust and credibility that what they're bringing into the organization is legitimate." The brands drowning in AI options, synthetic data promises, and methodology noise are not asking the wrong questions. They are asking them to the wrong partners. What it actually takes to guide a Fortune 100 client through that landscape, with transparency, calibration, and something worth trusting, is a much harder thing to build than a platform or a panel alone. Music written and performed by Leighton Cordell. Sponsors: Tired of generic marketing firms that don't get market research? Say hello to Little Bird Marketing, the revenue generation company of choice for the market research industry. Our "peeps" understand market research inside and out. We know your buyers, craft meaningful messages that move them to buy, understand the competitive landscape and where you fit in the market. We get the industry - from qual/quant to emerging technologies. Why settle for getting the job done when you can soar with marketing that drives real revenue? Click here to get started. Ever feel like your marketing plan is just... meh? You've got the pieces, but are they really working together? We often find that even when companies are doing the right things, they may not be doing them in the right order. The results are, well, no results. Curious how you can effectively evaluate your marketing efforts? Want clarity on your next best strategic move? Take our Marketing Assessment Quiz and in just minutes, discover exactly where you stand – and where you could be going. Click here and take the quiz today and don’t leave success to chance.

    33 min
  7. Customer Insights on Shopping Trends

    FEB 27

    Customer Insights on Shopping Trends

    *This episode of Ponderings from the Perch is brought to you by Rival Technologies. Ranked among the world's most innovative insights suppliers in Greenbook’s 2025 GRIT Report, Rival Technologies uses AI-powered video analysis to unlock deeper meaning from unstructured data.* Shopping online and shopping in-store are two different animals. On this episode of Ponderings from the Perch, the Little Bird Marketing podcast, host and CEO Priscilla McKinney sits down with Vesna Fuiorea, Senior Consultant at Next Level Trends, to examine why shopper behavior operates on an entirely different frequency than consumer behavior. Vesna brings over 20 years of experience in consumer goods to a conversation that challenges assumptions about how people make purchasing decisions when time, emotion, and mission collide at the point of sale. The gap between how brands communicate and how shoppers actually process information in-store represents one of the most expensive blind spots in retail strategy. Packaging redesigns that seem like progress can obliterate brand recognition. Promotional displays positioned outside the mental map shoppers carry into stores might as well be invisible. The autopilot mode that makes shopping efficient for consumers creates a fortress that most marketing performance metrics fail to penetrate. Fuiorea points to cultural differences that complicate global retail strategies, convenience trends reshaping store formats across continents, and the reality that an aging population demands fundamentally different approaches to shelf arrangement, flavor differentiation, and package design. "Making sure that your brand is visible and accessible in the store are two things that sound silly when we are talking about," Fuiorea explains. "But brand owners need to make everything possible to differentiate their brand." But the relationship between online and offline retail continues to defy predictions of brick-and-mortar extinction. E-commerce growth patterns vary dramatically by geography and culture, with southern European markets maintaining strong preferences for fresh food purchased in physical stores while northern countries adopt digital grocery shopping at higher rates. The real disruption may come not from the channel itself but from AI agents that intercept purchase decisions before shoppers even enter stores or open apps, creating an entirely new battlefield for customer insights and brand visibility. Music written and performed by Leighton Cordell. Sponsors: Tired of generic marketing firms that don't get market research? Say hello to Little Bird Marketing, the revenue generation company of choice for the market research industry. Our "peeps" understand market research inside and out. We know your buyers, craft meaningful messages that move them to buy, understand the competitive landscape and where you fit in the market. We get the industry - from qual/quant to emerging technologies. Why settle for getting the job done when you can soar with marketing that drives real revenue? Click here to get started. Ever feel like your marketing plan is just... meh? You've got the pieces, but are they really working together? We often find that even when companies are doing the right things, they may not be doing them in the right order. The results are, well, no results. Curious how you can effectively evaluate your marketing efforts? Want clarity on your next best strategic move? Take our Marketing Assessment Quiz and in just minutes, discover exactly where you stand – and where you could be going. Click here and take the quiz today and don’t leave success to chance.

    37 min
  8. Closing the Gap Between the CRO and the CMO

    FEB 20

    Closing the Gap Between the CRO and the CMO

    Most companies hand their CMO and CRO different scorecards and then act surprised when they fight over the same leads. On this episode of Ponderings from the Perch, the Little Bird Marketing podcast, host and CEO Priscilla McKinney examines why the relationship between chief marketing officers and chief revenue officers breaks down before a single lead changes hands. The tension isn't about incompatible personalities or departmental turf wars. It exists because bonuses are tied to different outcomes, "qualified" definitions remain unspoken, and timing expectations never align. When one executive optimizes for brand awareness while another chases quarterly closes, no amount of collaboration workshops will bridge the divide that the org chart itself has severed. The marketing qualified lead becomes the flashpoint. Marketing celebrates engagement metrics and demographic fit. Sales dismisses anything short of active intent. Neither side agrees on what distinguishes browsing from buying. Yet, both departments defend their interpretations as if revenue depended on being right rather than on alignment—the argument over lead quality masks a deeper issue. Nobody defined what sales qualification actually requires before the first campaign launched. "If marketing thought that was a marketing qualified lead, then instead of getting more of them to try and solve this problem by a numbers game, why don't we all get back in the room and talk about what a marketing qualified lead would actually look like?" McKinney asks. "The salesperson's job is to qualify them for sales, but there is a piece that marketing can do." Fixing the CMO-CRO relationship doesn't require new software or revised messaging. It requires rebuilding the foundation both roles stand on. Shared incentives, transparent data, and defined handoff criteria transform what feels like a personality clash into what it actually is. A solvable systems problem. Companies that treat b2b lead generation as a shared accountability rather than a departmental transaction stop arguing over who's responsible for failed conversions and start optimizing the entire revenue path together. Music written and performed by Leighton Cordell. Sponsors: Priscilla McKinney here! I am very excited to tell you about my book:  Collaboration is the New Competition: Why the Future of Work Rewards A Cross Pollinating Hive Mind and How Not to Get Left Behind The book's chapters are designed to be time-efficient, ensuring busy professionals can easily integrate these transformative ideas into their workflow. From discussing the state of affairs in business to providing fundamental strategies and seven practical anchors for staying on course, this book offers a fresh perspective and a competitive advantage in today's complex business landscape. Visit priscillamckinney.com for more information. Tired of generic marketing firms that don't get market research? Say hello to Little Bird Marketing, the revenue generation company of choice for the market research industry. Our "peeps" understand market research inside and out. We know your buyers, craft meaningful messages that move them to buy, understand the competitive landscape and where you fit in the market. We get the industry - from qual/quant to emerging technologies. Why settle for getting the job done when you can soar with marketing that drives real revenue? Click here to get started.

    26 min
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Conversations with Priscilla McKinney, founder and President of Little Bird Marketing, an award-winning agency specializing in content marketing, lead generation, branding and design. As a CEO and serial entrepreneur, Priscilla's topics range from marketing best practices, the "stunning discomfort" of entrepreneurship, market research, her love of the autoharp, and other marketing oddities.

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    Little Bird Marketing & C-Suite Radio
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    2014 - 2026
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